No offshore drilling

If we don't drill in Florida, where do you suggest we get our oil?

Little Fish

What this we stuff your in Georgia.

What this we stuff your in Georgia.

What are you trying to say?

What are you trying to say?

Alternative Energy? Henry fords was gonna run his first car off of water. Every lazy ars American has become totally dependent on everyone else, it used to be the other way around. It took 911 for Americans to be proud again. Have you ever seen the coastline in Galveston Texas? Looks great doesn't it. Miss Kitty you can chime in at any time. Here is a site ya might be interested in. http://zeropollutionmotors.us/?page_id=54 Quit being dependent on everyone else Try bio diesel , ethanol hydrogen can I stop beating this dead horse? Oh yea X=5

If we don't drill in Florida, where do you suggest we get our oil?

Little Fish

Just how much oil do you suppose 'we' have in our Gulf waters? How many years of drilling untill we see the first drop of oil? I suggest any one who supports drilling watches A Crude Awakening. Quite eye-opening..... and scary.

Alternative Energy? Henry fords was gonna run his first car off of water. Every lazy ars American has become totally dependent on everyone else, it used to be the other way around. It took 911 for Americans to be proud again. Have you ever seen the coastline in Galveston Texas? Looks great doesn't it. Miss Kitty you can chime in at any time. Here is a site ya might be interested in. http://zeropollutionmotors.us/?page_id=54 Quit being dependent on everyone else Try bio diesel , ethanol hydrogen can I stop beating this dead horse? Oh yea X=5

I agree with you that Americans have become dependent on others and it was not always like that nor should it be. I also agree that hydrogen fuel cells are the wave of the future for powering our cars although too unstable and inefficient at the moment, both of which I understand can be overcome. What you need to understand and consider is that it takes energy to separate hydrogen from oxygen and that energy must come from somewhere, whether nuclear (cheaper than solar and wind) or fossil fuels. Solar is possible but what do you do when its cloudy? It also takes time and money (a great deal of it) to convert your infrastructure to support alternative energies. I think we should invest the time and money now to work through the problems and begin implementation of our most promising (economically and environmentally) alternatives. We can also drill for oil safely off of the Florida and California coast and should do so immediately. Galveston is a convenient comparison but the tarballs are the result of currents that push oil bubbling up from reserves in the Gulf or seeping from ships or barges onto its beaches and probably has little or nothing to do with oil production on the rigs off of the Texas/Louisiana coast. I'll remind you that a bad oil spill in the panhandle did previously occur the result of a passing vessel. Don't think that refusing to drill insulates Florida beaches from a big mess (just ask New Orleans that had a collision involving an oil barge on the Mississippi River right off the French Quarter). I admire the concern for our waters and I love the thrill of catching a wave or watching someone else do it, but don't be so close-minded that the entire country suffers for surfers. Talk to some engineers (not affiliated with the surf groups) and gain a little more knowledge - it might alleviate some of your concerns.

I agree with you that Americans have become dependent on others and it was not always like that nor should it be. I also agree that hydrogen fuel cells are the wave of the future for powering our cars although too unstable and inefficient at the moment, both of which I understand can be overcome. What you need to understand and consider is that it takes energy to separate hydrogen from oxygen and that energy must come from somewhere, whether nuclear (cheaper than solar and wind) or fossil fuels. Solar is possible but what do you do when its cloudy? It also takes time and money (a great deal of it) to convert your infrastructure to support alternative energies. I think we should invest the time and money now to work through the problems and begin implementation of our most promising (economically and environmentally) alternatives. We can also drill for oil safely off of the Florida and California coast and should do so immediately. Galveston is a convenient comparison but the tarballs are the result of currents that push oil bubbling up from reserves in the Gulf or seeping from ships or barges onto its beaches and probably has little or nothing to do with oil production on the rigs off of the Texas/Louisiana coast. I'll remind you that a bad oil spill in the panhandle did previously occur the result of a passing vessel. Don't think that refusing to drill insulates Florida beaches from a big mess (just ask New Orleans that had a collision involving an oil barge on the Mississippi River right off the French Quarter). I admire the concern for our waters and I love the thrill of catching a wave or watching someone else do it, but don't be so close-minded that the entire country suffers for surfers. Talk to some engineers (not affiliated with the surf groups) and gain a little more knowledge - it might alleviate some of your concerns.

I agree with some of what your saying but I worked both of these water ways and they have thousand of oil spills. The general public has no clue. Goggle the vessel Megaborg. Barges and ships run aground and go adrift on the Mississippi everyday any the general public is only told what they need to know. The off shore rigs (all 3500 est.) have a pretty good track record considering most things are out of sight out of mind. The bottom line is it's not the oil drilling that is the problem, is that we have so many rule and regulations that there is no way in hell we can put in refineries and comply to all the DEP, EPA etc.

Wow this spill made the top 10 of all time. Yep add that to the Resume. Worked on this mess for about 6 weeks. Thank god the Mexican company Eco PEMEX had a specially designed ship to suck up most of it. http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/historys-10-most-famous-oil-spills/

I agree with some of what your saying but I worked both of these water ways and they have thousand of oil spills. The general public has no clue. Goggle the vessel Megaborg. Barges and ships run aground and go adrift on the Mississippi everyday any the general public is only told what they need to know. The off shore rigs (all 3500 est.) have a pretty good track record considering most things are out of sight out of mind. The bottom line is it's not the oil drilling that is the problem, is that we have so many rule and regulations that there is no way in hell we can put in refineries and comply to all the DEP, EPA etc.

I thought you might enjoy this article. Fontova is one amazing dude from the north shore in Louisiana. He doesn't have any use for the radical environmentalists or PITA and some will probably find him too edgy but his book Helldivers Rodeo is a captivating read about spearfishing in the Gulf. He's been railing against the good Florida folks about the anti-drilling stance and makes some very compelling arguments for opening Florida to drilling.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70901

I got the following letter the other day from the Natural Resource Defense Council in case anyone is interested:

You have a rare chance to play a personal role in saving
America's most beautiful coasts from toxic oil spills by picking
up the phone and calling Representative Jeff Miller at his HOME
office during the Congressional summer recess.

We're asking you to call now, because soon after your
representative returns to Washington -- as early as the week of
September 8 -- the House of Representatives may cast a vote to
repeal the 27-year Congressional ban on coastal drilling. That
would be a disaster.

Representative Miller belongs to a small but critical group of
undecided representatives who will hold the fate of our coasts
in their hands -- and they are under enormous political pressure
to lift this ban.

Tell your representative to reject more drilling off our coasts
-- which will do NOTHING to lower gas prices any time soon --
and to pass clean energy measures that will actually reduce our
dependence on oil.

Please call your representative at his home district office as
quickly as you can:

REPRESENTATIVE JEFF MILLER
HOME OFFICE PHONE NUMBER: (850) 479-1183

Urge your representative to say NO to repealing our country's
ban on coastal drilling. If you can't reach your representative
or a staffer in person, leave a message on the answering
machine.

After you've placed your call, please reply to this email
message so we can track the progress of our campaign.

Time is short. We can't stand by and let Congress sacrifice our
scenic coasts -- especially since it won't do a thing to lower
gas prices.

If Congress caves to this pressure, many of America's most
precious shore lines, like California's Big Sur, Maine's Acadia
National Park, North Carolina's Outer Banks, and Florida's
Everglades and coral reefs could all be exposed to devastating
oil spills.

It's time for all of us who care about our coasts and beaches to
draw a clear line in the sand against coastal drilling. You can
do your part by calling your representative today.

Thank you for making your voice heard at this critical time.

Sincerely,

Frances Beinecke
President
NRDC Action Fund

P.S. If you would like to do even more to help us halt Big Oil's
invasion of America's coasts, click here to donate now:
https://secure.nrdconline.org/08/wildlands_campaign_donate3

I got the following letter the other day from the Natural Resource Defense Council in case anyone is interested:

You have a rare chance to play a personal role in saving
America's most beautiful coasts from toxic oil spills by picking
up the phone and calling Representative Jeff Miller at his HOME
office during the Congressional summer recess.

We're asking you to call now, because soon after your
representative returns to Washington -- as early as the week of
September 8 -- the House of Representatives may cast a vote to
repeal the 27-year Congressional ban on coastal drilling. That
would be a disaster.

Representative Miller belongs to a small but critical group of
undecided representatives who will hold the fate of our coasts
in their hands -- and they are under enormous political pressure
to lift this ban.

Tell your representative to reject more drilling off our coasts
-- which will do NOTHING to lower gas prices any time soon --
and to pass clean energy measures that will actually reduce our
dependence on oil.

Please call your representative at his home district office as
quickly as you can:

REPRESENTATIVE JEFF MILLER
HOME OFFICE PHONE NUMBER: (850) 479-1183

Urge your representative to say NO to repealing our country's
ban on coastal drilling. If you can't reach your representative
or a staffer in person, leave a message on the answering
machine.

After you've placed your call, please reply to this email
message so we can track the progress of our campaign.

Time is short. We can't stand by and let Congress sacrifice our
scenic coasts -- especially since it won't do a thing to lower
gas prices.

If Congress caves to this pressure, many of America's most
precious shore lines, like California's Big Sur, Maine's Acadia
National Park, North Carolina's Outer Banks, and Florida's
Everglades and coral reefs could all be exposed to devastating
oil spills.

It's time for all of us who care about our coasts and beaches to
draw a clear line in the sand against coastal drilling. You can
do your part by calling your representative today.

Thank you for making your voice heard at this critical time.

Sincerely,

Frances Beinecke
President
NRDC Action Fund

P.S. If you would like to do even more to help us halt Big Oil's
invasion of America's coasts, click here to donate now:
https://secure.nrdconline.org/08/wildlands_campaign_donate3

Thank you. I plan to call first thing in the morning to urge his support for lifting the drilling ban. I know the engineers, and I've done the research to know that there is no compelling reason for opposition and the opposition does nothing to protect our shores. Directional drilling advances make it likely that beachgoers will never see a rig off the Florida coast, yet the vast network of underwater pipes will serve to improve fishing grounds off our coast. Sounds like a win for the country and a win for Florida.

Thank you. I plan to call first thing in the morning to urge his support for lifting the drilling ban. I know the engineers, and I've done the research to know that there is no compelling reason for opposition and the opposition does nothing to protect our shores. Directional drilling advances make it likely that beachgoers will never see a rig off the Florida coast, yet the vast network of underwater pipes will serve to improve fishing grounds off our coast. Sounds like a win for the country and a win for Florida.

I can clearly see the concern for more oil but your argument has two varying sides. The following link shows the other side.

http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/c...ses-potential-threat-to-florida-shores_18161/

Opponents rattle off a list of economic and environmental concerns. They say that since America has less than three percent of the world's supply of oil and gas we'll never be able to produce enough to affect prices in a global economy. Demands are so high abroad right now that it is more profitable to export crude than to process it for use domestically. So the idea that drilling in the eastern Gulf likely will make the run to Sebastian Inlet cheaper is probably unreasonable.
The environmental concerns could also have serious economic repercussions.

I personally feel that the thought of drilling in the gulf for oil to help reduce the cost of fuel is absurd! If we want oil and our focus is to be less dependent then I would perhaps have to look at the issue differently. The bottom line is it will not have any effect on the cost of gas or our dependence. I like what Erika says:

"We don't need to be developing energy sources that put Florida's most valuable economic assets at risk, including our beaches and reefs," agreed Ericka D'Avanzo, Florida Manager for the Surfrider Foundation. "The future of the state's economy depends on protecting and enhancing our natural resources, and on renewable energy research and development. That's the kind of clean business we need."

BTW, this is hardly just about surfers. The following link is for business owners.

http://www.dontrigflorida.org/business-signon.html

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It is so depressing to go wading in the surf and end up with globs of tar on the soles of your feet. I sure hope this can be stopped. I really cannot envision how the oil companies or whoever is pushing this can guarantee the oil rigs will truly withstand the onslaught of the steady parade of hurricanes marching up the gulf

It is sad that this ban will probably be lifted. The oil fight is a very tough one. If it would be something that would help us I think I would view it differently but for better fishing and lower gas prices? Not gonna happen. I don't mind searching a little harder for my fish.

and I've done the research to know that there is no compelling reason for opposition and the opposition does nothing to protect our shores

I gotta claim BS on this line! Please show me how the opposition does nothing to protect our shores. This is absurd. Here is just one group of opposition that does a lot to protect your shores.

http://www.surfrider.org/whatwedo.asp

I second that! I all so see that you read stuff from a guy who doesn't have any clue to what is going on of the coastline of Louisiana.

I think there is something like 12,000 rigs off the coast (EST.) Thats why they call it Rig City. Not to mention all the abandoned well heads etc.

I gotta claim BS on this line! Please show me how the opposition does nothing to protect our shores. This is absurd. Here is just one group of opposition that does a lot to protect your shores.

http://www.surfrider.org/whatwedo.asp

I think we have a misunderstanding. When I said "opposition", I wasn't singling out a group of people for ridicule. The surfers clean up garbage, save struggling swimmers, etc, ect., - good people. I was pointing out that opposition to drilling is not protecting the shore. In fact, it may put the coast at greater risk because the highest risk comes from shipping. That's why greenroom provided the link to the largest spills which were mostly shipping accidents. We have fuel barges and oil tankers passing off our coast daily. If one sinks, we could have a serious problem, all without ever lifting the ban on drilling. The fact is that transporting oil by underwater pipelines is much safer than shipping via an oil tanker. Greenroon even admitted as much. You need to do some research and talk to some engineers (my family and friends' families are loaded with them) to try to understand better the Gulf drilling process. You guys are scaring people about tarballs and rigs all over the horizon and what is being bantered about is very misleading.

I second that! I all so see that you read stuff from a guy who doesn't have any clue to what is going on of the coastline of Louisiana.

It seems to me that he might know a great deal more than you are willing to acknowledge. A little advice - focus your efforts on ensuring the least intrusive, safest and most environmentally friendly drilling process for the Florida coast. Push that Florida receive a large cut of the poceeds and that those proceeds be used to position Florida as a leader in alternative energy for the future. I'll be alot more impressed with thoses efforts than seeing you stomp your feet and yell NO to something that is badly needed by the country at large and is going to occur regardless of your protestations - my final word.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=D6D498F0-3A9C-47AB-8F5D-D029420EFFFC

This has nothing to do with offshore drilling.

When I was growing up we had a oil well in our backyard ,well it was about 1/2 mile from the house. It was soo exciting! In the middle of nowhere there were bright lights lots of activity etc. It was so cool to ride my bike back there.One oili truck crashed in the wooden bridge over Strong River.The driver jumped to safety and was ok more or less. Oil was big business back then in rural Simpson County,my daddy and his cousin spent days reading the Congressional Record and dreaming of getting rich. They did hit oil and we all got our little part ,it played out in about 20 years.
Back to the bridge,when a concret one was bult, i got to cut the ribbon!It was freezing cold and I remember them serving bbq.My mama was confident that it was cold enough to eat the pork and all was right with the world.

I think we have a misunderstanding. When I said "opposition", I wasn't singling out a group of people for ridicule. The surfers clean up garbage, save struggling swimmers, etc, ect., - good people. I was pointing out that opposition to drilling is not protecting the shore. In fact, it may put the coast at greater risk because the highest risk comes from shipping. That's why greenroom provided the link to the largest spills which were mostly shipping accidents. We have fuel barges and oil tankers passing off our coast daily. If one sinks, we could have a serious problem, all without ever lifting the ban on drilling. The fact is that transporting oil by underwater pipelines is much safer than shipping via an oil tanker. Greenroon even admitted as much. You need to do some research and talk to some engineers (my family and friends' families are loaded with them) to try to understand better the Gulf drilling process. You guys are scaring people about tarballs and rigs all over the horizon and what is being bantered about is very misleading.

Do you really think this is just about tar balls. Do you also believe that by drilling in the gulf and transporting oil underground will stop oil tanker transportation? We will have both. I think you are really missing the point and your engineer friends are misleading you. I believe it was a group of engineers that helped design this friendly outflow of sewage in Miami. It was supposed to be safe as well.

Do you really think this is just about tar balls. Do you also believe that by drilling in the gulf and transporting oil underground will stop oil tanker transportation? We will have both. I think you are really missing the point and your engineer friends are misleading you. I believe it was a group of engineers that helped design this friendly outflow of sewage in Miami. It was supposed to be safe as well.

That's a crappy picture! You're a reasonable and intelligent guy with an unreasonable slightly considered view on this particular issue. After the drilling commences and you see it is not what you envisioned, we'll talk over coffee and a copy of this thread which I'm printing for posterity. Cheers friend!

Full time, I am from Louisiana and have been fishing off the coast many times. The place looks like the end of the world from a Mad Max movie. Yeah, the fishing is great, but there's NO WAY I would swim in that water. And yeah, the oil companies promise to clean this and take care of that and guess what - they don't. And do you know why they don't? Because they don't have to. Raping and pillaging is alive and well, regardless of the sunshine and rainbow propaganda they push with their commercials.

Sorry, my friend, but you are the one who has been misled. Please join us in the 21st century. I promise it's not as scary as you seem to think it is.