So now that the Dog Fly plane is gone, what now?

1) Controlling anything...especially nature...is impossible.
2) SWMC doesn't have anything to do with the spraying as has been pointed out.
3) Were people dying from fly bites before the spraying started. I've never seen any history regarding dog flies and a plague of any kind.
4) If garlic juice works for you, spray it on yourself.
5) the flies do disappear eventually.



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1. Humans have been controlling and managing nature for thousands of years, stopping now is ludicrous!
2. I have evidence that the SWMC has had a lot to do with the Dog Flies, and should continue. Who else has access to research and contacts to work out solutions?
3. I have seen and heard evidence of a huge dog fly problem here, and most likely is in the boxes of SWMC records I have.
4. Garlic juice was recommended by the individuals that compared the dog fly spray to Hitler's gas!
5. Dog Flies are blown in, but without controlling their population, they will increase in numbers greatly, as they were before, and worse.

Have you heard of anyone locally dying from the spray? Becoming sick? Having deformed babies? Maybe they should be controlled at their source, Alabama, Georgia and North Florida.

Doxiegirl

3. I have seen and heard evidence of a huge dog fly problem here, and most likely is in the boxes of SWMC records I have.

Maybe with the continual spraying over those many years, they have become resistant to the chemicals. We create our own problems often.

The horse flies were much worse in Southeastern ILLinois when we were there this summer. I have never seen them that bad. There is no spraying program though. They come, they annoy, they go. Of course there are no tourist dollars to worry about there.

People will find ways to repel them, such as the cactus juice, etc. It will mean a bit more effort and annoyance but at least they can know that they are not having their beneficial insects killed also. We need to be good stewards and keep as many pollinating insects as we can.


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The dead horse being beaten is attracting flies. :roll:

...and yellow jackets!

1. Humans have been controlling and managing nature for thousands of years, stopping now is ludicrous!
2. I have evidence that the SWMC has had a lot to do with the Dog Flies, and should continue. Who else has access to research and contacts to work out solutions?
3. I have seen and heard evidence of a huge dog fly problem here, and most likely is in the boxes of SWMC records I have.
4. Garlic juice was recommended by the individuals that compared the dog fly spray to Hitler's gas!
5. Dog Flies are blown in, but without controlling their population, they will increase in numbers greatly, as they were before, and worse.

Okay, where to begin....
1. Continuing to do something just because you have been doing it for thousands of years is ludicrous. We evolve. My father died two months ago from lung cancer. He refused to quit smoking because he has been a successful smoker for 55 years, why stop now? His grandfather's grandfather smoked and they didn't get lung cancer. What an insane philosophy!

We no longer use lead paint even though our mothers were all cradled to sleep in bed made of wood and painted with lead paint. We want better for our children. We don't want to risk what we now know are the dangers associated with lead. When we discovered that asbestos caused horrible cancers, we pulled it out of our schools (or covered it up). Even though our parents attended schools filled to the Rim with Brim of asbestos. We want better for our kids. We don't want to run the risk.

Deet. I can go on for days about Deet. My grandmother had a circulation issue, but in her old age she thought those little tingles she was feeling in her legs came from fleas. So she sprayed herself with deet. She slept in it. She was never without her dang deet pump. She died of cirrhosis of the liver. She had never drank a drop of alcohol in her life. A few years later they took the concentrated deet pump off the market. She is my "box of evidence." I visit her at Black Creek cemetery.

In all of your "research" about this area. Pull up some history on Agent Orange. Eglin property near Portland was a dumping ground for the stuff. If you want proof. Go through your boxes and find the name Gordon Williams, he was with NWMC. He was also privy to the dumping of Agent Orange on Eglin. (Of course I am not saying that the NWMC had anything to do with it, just that he worked there for some time and seeing that you have a privy to files at Mosquito control, you might wanna look him up). At one point in the mid 80's I heard a statistic that Walton County had an extremely high rate of brain cancer per/capita. I didn't need to research it further. My evidence is lying beside Grandma. Her 19 year old son, raised near the Eglin reservation in Portland died of brain cancer. We no longer use agent orange because we don't want to run the risk.

2. I call BS on your "evidence". Show me facts and numbers on the amount of fireflies you see every year here compared to how many we saw as children. Yes, we are the same age (ish). When you show it to me, I will counter it with the actual number of bug species that are eradicated everyday. SPECIES not individual bugs. My step-daughter, the smarty at UF is in entomology and she says at least 5. When we start efin with the top of the food chain, we directly effect the bottom.

3. Define "Problem".

4. Garlic has never caused cancer or death...just really bad breath. I have altoids.

5. Not been bit yet and they are on their way out. I also heard that they don't have them in Sarasota. As a licensed real estate agent I will be glad to sell you something near the beach there.

Are you pucking kidding me! We've been doing it for thousands of years, so why stop now?

Don't know about you, but I am rather fond of some crazy arse new fangled inventions/bits of progress - flush toilets, TV, computers, women getting to vote, cars, medicines and vaccines etc.

Call me crazy, but I think that in 2008, we might be able to find a better solution than spraying EVERYTHING and EVERYONE with poison to get rid of a few pesky bugs!

Are you pucking kidding me! We've been doing it for thousands of years, so why stop now?

Don't know about you, but I am rather fond of some crazy arse new fangled inventions/bits of progress - flush toilets, TV, computers, women getting to vote, cars, medicines and vaccines etc.

Call me crazy, but I think that in 2008, we might be able to find a better solution than spraying EVERYTHING and EVERYONE with poison to get rid of a few pesky bugs!

It never ceases to amaze me how you get that, out of that!!! The statement was made,
"Originally Posted by sunspotbaby
1) Controlling anything...especially nature...is impossible."
What has that to do with technology, toilets, or whatever? Land is managed, insects are managed, etc...
Did it ever occur to you that the tourist is not the only one that goes outside here? What about all those people who WORK outside? You know, menial labor? Those that can't just jump in the gulf, or hide inside, or whatever.

It never ceases to amaze me how you get that, out of that!!! The statement was made,
"Originally Posted by sunspotbaby
1) Controlling anything...especially nature...is impossible."
What has that to do with technology, toilets, or whatever? Land is managed, insects are managed, etc...
Did it ever occur to you that the tourist is not the only one that goes outside here? What about all those people who WORK outside? You know, menial labor? Those that can't just jump in the gulf, or hide inside, or whatever.

Ummm...I think you mean manual labor. Or maybe you're still on your kick where those are the same thing.

(It's like a train wreck. I can't resist checking out the carnage.)

Okay, where to begin....
1. Continuing to do something just because you have been doing it for thousands of years is ludicrous. We evolve. My father died two months ago from lung cancer. He refused to quit smoking because he has been a successful smoker for 55 years, why stop now? His grandfather's grandfather smoked and they didn't get lung cancer. What an insane philosophy!

We no longer use lead paint even though our mothers were all cradled to sleep in bed made of wood and painted with lead paint. We want better for our children. We don't want to risk what we now know are the dangers associated with lead. When we discovered that asbestos caused horrible cancers, we pulled it out of our schools (or covered it up). Even though our parents attended schools filled to the Rim with Brim of asbestos. We want better for our kids. We don't want to run the risk.

Deet. I can go on for days about Deet. My grandmother had a circulation issue, but in her old age she thought those little tingles she was feeling in her legs came from fleas. So she sprayed herself with deet. She slept in it. She was never without her dang deet pump. She died of cirrhosis of the liver. She had never drank a drop of alcohol in her life. A few years later they took the concentrated deet pump off the market. She is my "box of evidence." I visit her at Black Creek cemetery.

In all of your "research" about this area. Pull up some history on Agent Orange. Eglin property near Portland was a dumping ground for the stuff. If you want proof. Go through your boxes and find the name Gordon Williams, he was with NWMC. He was also privy to the dumping of Agent Orange on Eglin. (Of course I am not saying that the NWMC had anything to do with it, just that he worked there for some time and seeing that you have a privy to files at Mosquito control, you might wanna look him up). At one point in the mid 80's I heard a statistic that Walton County had an extremely high rate of brain cancer per/capita. I didn't need to research it further. My evidence is lying beside Grandma. Her 19 year old son, raised near the Eglin reservation in Portland died of brain cancer. We no longer use agent orange because we don't want to run the risk.

2. I call BS on your "evidence". Show me facts and numbers on the amount of fireflies you see every year here compared to how many we saw as children. Yes, we are the same age (ish). When you show it to me, I will counter it with the actual number of bug species that are eradicated everyday. SPECIES not individual bugs. My step-daughter, the smarty at UF is in entomology and she says at least 5. When we start efin with the top of the food chain, we directly effect the bottom.

3. Define "Problem".

4. Garlic has never caused cancer or death...just really bad breath. I have altoids.

5. Not been bit yet and they are on their way out. I also heard that they don't have them in Sarasota. As a licensed real estate agent I will be glad to sell you something near the beach there.

I still say, what does that have to do with that? My mother died of lung cancer, she never smoked, dad died of a heart attack, and he smoked for many years! I'm sorry about your father, I know it's difficult. Sometimes they just give up on life, and really don't want to live in pain anymore.
Garlic came from someone else?s solution.
I was born and raised here in South Walton; really don't want to live anywhere else. I am tired of those who do not understand our ways, and customs, degrading us because of them. We do have a reason for what we do, and I, for one, will not back down just because someone doesn't understand, and has a basic disdain for our life!
There was a time here in South Walton that the insect problem was so bad, even cattle couldn't survive! The tireless efforts of the Mosquito control since 1964 has created the relative comfort we have now. You would think that with the main source of our current industry tourist related, serious efforts would be made to ensure some kind of tranquility! Welcome to Northwest Florida! Land of bugs and snakes! Oh, by the way, we also have lots of other things too, Black Widow, Brown Recluse, Scorpions...!

Ummm...I think you mean manual labor. Or maybe you're still on your kick where those are the same thing.

(It's like a train wreck. I can't resist checking out the carnage.)

No, I mean menial!
me?ni?al (mn-l, mnyl)
adj.
1. Of or relating to work or a job regarded as servile.
2. Of, relating to, or appropriate for a servant.
n.
1. A servant, especially a domestic servant.
2. A person who has a servile or low nature.

By the way, what concern is it of yours anyway? You don't live here!

No, I mean menial!
me?ni?al (mn-l, mnyl)
adj.
1. Of or relating to work or a job regarded as servile.
2. Of, relating to, or appropriate for a servant.
n.
1. A servant, especially a domestic servant.
2. A person who has a servile or low nature.

By the way, what concern is it of yours anyway? You don't live here!

Your nature has hit a new low. You can have your old ways and old attitudes...I think you have plain gone off the deep end.

Have you guys ever heard of screen?

Have you guys ever heard of screen?

Does screen come in petite large??????

They have proven to be a nuisance to my son especially when he was younger. We use lotsa DEET, cover up or just stay away from the beach until we get that on shore breeze again. I've tried drinking, covering the bod in the sand, standing in the water, fly swatters, SSO and nothing works when they WANT YOU!

Care to explain how they bite underwater?

Uncle Gordon, who was head of Mosquito Control some years back said that the... and I quote, "DISTRICT DOES NOT, NOR HAS NOT CONTROLLED DOG FLIES." The district mosquito control is responsible only for going down to the beach, testing for them ~ seeing how many bite I guess~ and sending the information on to the state. That is all. Maybe your files can prove differently, but until you show them to me, I am going to stick with what he says.

I am with Kitty, this is a dead horse. :roll:

Added to SoWal.com home page.

Added to SoWal.com home page.

Oh, I had to look at the home page.:roll:
I thought you really put the " horse beating " pic on there !

Oh, I had to look at the home page.:roll:
I thought you really put the " horse beating " pic on there !

Me too!:funn:

There is something so gratifying about lobbing one up just so someone can hit a foul ball into her own windows.

Let's talk about things that are beneath my nature....

I quote one of my heroes: Sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here.

They made a decision without research, knowledge, facts. Hearsay, opinion, and fear were the motivating factors. The decision went through quickly, before anyone knew anything about it, or had an opportunity to present the other side. Now that it is done, those that could present research, i.e. the Mosquito Control Board, are seemingly not interested. There are questions, what happens without the spray, that is, scientifically? I haven?t heard any documentation. What is to replace the program? How can a program such as this involving pests be discontinued without something to replace it? Wouldn?t you think a gradual reduction should be recommended? Where are the statements from the Entomologists? Where is the study?

Your nature has hit a new low. You can have your old ways and old attitudes...I think you have plain gone off the deep end.

Regardless of "old ways", it is still a prevalent opinion. Those who work in your yard, and do your laundry, are not invited to your parties! That is "menial" labor! In our enlightened society of political correctness, social prejudice is still an accepted behavior! The welfare of those who work at menial tasks is not of concern of the many priviledged. I do not see that when this decision was made, those who have to work outside were considered.

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