This is a picture taken today(12Dec05) of dark sand being placed on beach (in front of several homes on Montgomery Street, Seagrove Beach between Greenwood Ave. and Seagrove Villas ). This is taken with a telephoto from the Greenwood Ave. public access.
It shows a contrast between the natural white beach sand and the trucked in dark sand. The darkest sand next to the excavator was brought in today and is much darker because it probably has some moisture content. The dark sand in the foreground has been there over a month. The white sand behind the excavator was the appropriate sand brought in by Seagrove Villas to cover their seawall.
This has been an on going isssue for over a month. The county has been contacted several times yet this dumping of dark sand continues. Once this foreign sand mixes with the natural pure white beach sand the beach is contaminated forever.
Please go take a look for yourself.
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Miss KittyMiss KittyMeow47,011 postsJoined View profileMessageMeow
Miss KittyMeow47,011 postsJoined View profileMessageMeowSeawall? What seawall? All I see is sand.
I don't wish for it to happen, but never fear...those seawalls will be seen again.
lost in sowallost in sowalBeach Comber14 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
lost in sowalBeach Comber14 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach ComberMaybe I confused two issues posting about walls in a sand thread but I think they are both related, but more importantly one has a more long term effect- walls. It appears that some of the Commissioners felt that people needed to protect their property with sand, walls whatever because of an emergency they were facing. Well, in case anyone is counting it's been since July that we had that emergency. Now I may be wrong but I think that if I was in an EMERGENCY situation then I would have been one of the first in line to "help myself" and there is no way that I would need an extension on my permit!!! The problem that may be coming is that the last permit in line from October could ask for the extension if some of the early ones get them now. This precedent could be more harmful than the INITIAL issuance, especially since an extension on the last permits mean this could continue forever and forever! This is the time to ask those questions since the commissioners are meeting next week and the vulchers will be lurching to get those extensions. The dark sand will wash away but the walls may last at the detriment of more sand.
Maybe I should become a coastal engineer so that I can serve as an expert witness when one property causes damages to another and the lawsuits begin :lol:
Maybe I should become a coastal engineer so that I can serve as an expert witness when one property causes damages to another and the lawsuits begin :lol:
>>>lost in sowal said "The dark sand will wash away but the walls may last at the detriment of more sand."<<<
Unfortuantely that is not true. The dark sand will be permanently mixed with the natural white beach sand .
What is unfortunate is that owners who have gone to the expense of putting white sand on their bluffs will find their nice white sand contaminated by their neighbor's cheap dark sand. This will happen through wind blown sand and future storm erosion.
Seagrove Villas and the properties to the west including Doodle and Seaside will have their beaches darkened permanently by their selfish neighbors up wind to the east who have put dark 6.2 grade sand on the beach.
Even though this darker sand being used by the Montgomery Street owners is supposed to be covered by a layer of whiter sand, it is not protected behind a seawall; they are installing a filled tube type system which can be washed over.
From the look of the sand that Seagrove Villas, Doodle and Seaside have put on the beach they have put higher grade whiter sand as a base than required. Good for them!
The Montgomery street (from Greenwood Ave. west) owners reportedly pressured the county to allow them to put dark sand significantly below the 7.2 standard set by the BCC in August. Go look for your self and then call your commissioners and ask for a special BCC meeting to investigate this atrocity.
Unfortuantely that is not true. The dark sand will be permanently mixed with the natural white beach sand .
What is unfortunate is that owners who have gone to the expense of putting white sand on their bluffs will find their nice white sand contaminated by their neighbor's cheap dark sand. This will happen through wind blown sand and future storm erosion.
Seagrove Villas and the properties to the west including Doodle and Seaside will have their beaches darkened permanently by their selfish neighbors up wind to the east who have put dark 6.2 grade sand on the beach.
Even though this darker sand being used by the Montgomery Street owners is supposed to be covered by a layer of whiter sand, it is not protected behind a seawall; they are installing a filled tube type system which can be washed over.
From the look of the sand that Seagrove Villas, Doodle and Seaside have put on the beach they have put higher grade whiter sand as a base than required. Good for them!
The Montgomery street (from Greenwood Ave. west) owners reportedly pressured the county to allow them to put dark sand significantly below the 7.2 standard set by the BCC in August. Go look for your self and then call your commissioners and ask for a special BCC meeting to investigate this atrocity.
lost in sowallost in sowalBeach Comber14 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
lost in sowalBeach Comber14 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach ComberI am sorry if I meant to sound like the sand issue is not a problem because it may well be, the point is this appears to be like we're missing the forest for the trees. In the past storm, how much sand was washed out of the dunes and mixed with the beach? I have heard estimates of more than 40 feet in dune width. What color was the remaining bluff sand? It was not white in Kurt's pictures, and much worse than a 7/2 in some areas. What color was the beach sand, it was white with some black. What color is the beach sand now- WHITE.
Now let's go into the present- How much sand is being placed? Sometimes more than what was lost, sometimes less and it will have an impact but as shown in Kurt's and SJ's photos, the beach recovers with sand from the Gulf that is white, probably due from washing, mixing etc. Maybe we have hit a critical point but wouldn't a future storm have a similar impact?
Now with walls, that is something new on our beaches. In the other information I have read on walls in a previous thread, it appears they could have a more long term effect on the beach, which in turn will require more sand, and the viscious cycle continues. That was the point of my email. Walls that are "neccesary" either should be built within their original permit time or made to get a "real" permit from whoever it is in the state and feds (don't know, don't care). What do you think? :bang:
Now let's go into the present- How much sand is being placed? Sometimes more than what was lost, sometimes less and it will have an impact but as shown in Kurt's and SJ's photos, the beach recovers with sand from the Gulf that is white, probably due from washing, mixing etc. Maybe we have hit a critical point but wouldn't a future storm have a similar impact?
Now with walls, that is something new on our beaches. In the other information I have read on walls in a previous thread, it appears they could have a more long term effect on the beach, which in turn will require more sand, and the viscious cycle continues. That was the point of my email. Walls that are "neccesary" either should be built within their original permit time or made to get a "real" permit from whoever it is in the state and feds (don't know, don't care). What do you think? :bang:
Beach RunnerBeach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hood
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hoodFrom the look of the sand that Seagrove Villas, Doodle and Seaside have put on the beach they have put higher grade whiter sand as a base than required. Good for them!I agree. I have walked/run it several times. The difference between their sand and some of their neighbors with the brown stuff is quite shocking. If you care about SoWal and have the opportunity to be there, take the time to walk it and see what I mean. The photos help, but being there is really invaluable.
One thing I don't understand about the seawalls with the pilings is the following: could you be walking down one of the dunes with pilings covered by sand and suddenly have a piling shoved up your you-know-where?
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Smiling JOeSmiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
Smiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal ExpertOne thing I don't understand about the seawalls with the pilings is the following: could you be walking down one of the dunes with pilings covered by sand and suddenly have a piling shoved up your you-know-where?If that were the case, you may have discovered a benefit of seawalls. Good One!:clap_1:
Miss KittyMiss KittyMeow47,011 postsJoined View profileMessageMeow
Miss KittyMeow47,011 postsJoined View profileMessageMeowIf that were the case, you may have discovered a benefit of seawalls. Good One!:clap_1:
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