Saw this on the news tonight that the BCC is being sued by Jolly Bay LLC for not approving their development. Normally I would include a link to the article, but it seems to have disappeared from all the local news outlets.
Replies
293
SWGBAuthor
The breakwater also will be a fishing pier open to the public.
How long will that last?
Edit:
Just realized that there will most likely be a "small" fee associated with use.
SoWal Expert
Height limitations do not cause "sprawl" or suburbs. :roll: Most urban areas find a 4-5 story height limit allows for a very liveable density. Cities the world over have been successfully using that for centuries to create wonderful compact neighborhoods.
Yes, in some highly populated or concentrated urban areas a 50' height limitation is not a practical solution, but we are not talking about an area whose population is measured in millions or is outgrowing its useable landmass - we are talking about the right sustainable growth for this area.
Singapore and Sowal have slightly different growth & planning needs.
Yes, in some highly populated or concentrated urban areas a 50' height limitation is not a practical solution, but we are not talking about an area whose population is measured in millions or is outgrowing its useable landmass - we are talking about the right sustainable growth for this area.
Singapore and Sowal have slightly different growth & planning needs.
Beach Comber
The fishing pier, what a great amenity for all of Walton County!!
SWGBAuthor
The fishing pier, what a great amenity for all of Walton County!!
Yeah, how could that pass that up, lord knows there's no where else to fish in Walton County. :roll:
Meow
Tort reform.
Beach Fanatic
I still think they are lucky this thing was canned. It would be a big empty building with a lot of money spent on marketing the 1.5 foot deep bay. The math simply does not work on condos/apartments in Freeport. Do the math. Construction cost alone will not sell it. Then throw in land cost! The courts will determine if their rights were violated but I say they got lucky on this one...
It is a good thing that entrepeneurs and capitalist have people like you to save us all from ourselves. Who knows what might have happened if those guys had been successful. Maybe some poor people would have a decent paying job, Walton County would have been a bit more green, growth would have once again came to the area. But instead, we get to increase taxes to pay these visionaries not to do their thing. First we pay farmers not to farm in this country, and now we are going to pay speculators not to speculate. What a wonderful world we live in.
Beach Fanatic
Height limitations do not cause "sprawl" or suburbs. :roll: Most urban areas find a 4-5 story height limit allows for a very liveable density. Cities the world over have been successfully using that for centuries to create wonderful compact neighborhoods.
Only because people want them to have different needs. I would have much rather seen a few very high buildings and lots of greenspace. Instead we are getting sprawl, sprawl, sprawl. Everywhere you go we have to build another road so people can go get their hair cut and buy groceries. All so we can have short squatty buildings.
Beach Fanatic
Yeah, how could that pass that up, lord knows there's no where else to fish in Walton County. :roll:
And since a small vocal minority do not want it, the heck with the silent majority.
SWGBAuthor
It is a good thing that entrepeneurs and capitalist have people like you to save us all from ourselves. Who knows what might have happened if those guys had been successful. Maybe some poor people would have a decent paying job, Walton County would have been a bit more green, growth would have once again came to the area. But instead, we get to increase taxes to pay these visionaries not to do their thing. First we pay farmers not to farm in this country, and now we are going to pay speculators not to speculate. What a wonderful world we live in.
You keep speaking of jobs like this project would have been some sort of economic boom for Walton County. Once it's built, those jobs are no more. Now you have either unemployed people or start attracting a very transient work force.
And since a small vocal minority do not want it, the heck with the silent majority.
Any group that remains silent will go ignored. Luckily the folks of Freeport have you to speak for them.
Beach Lover
At least they have some one who is from North of the Bay and is not trying to impose their South Walton views on the folok of Freeport.
"Now you have either unemployed people or start attracting a very transient work force."
Walton County has allways attracted a VERY transient work force. But what about all of the LOCAL jobs that it would have created. The Landscapers, repair workers and all sorts.
I would love for the Freeport area to have a pier even if it cost money to use it.
Banned
I still think they are lucky this thing was canned. It would be a big empty building with a lot of money spent on marketing the 1.5 foot deep bay. The math simply does not work on condos/apartments in Freeport. Do the math. Construction cost alone will not sell it. Then throw in land cost! The courts will determine if their rights were violated but I say they got lucky on this one...
I don't like the backroom stuff the County pulls, but I agree that they are better off, for the time being, letting this project season a bit.
Beach Fanatic
Any group that remains silent will go ignored. Luckily the folks of Freeport have you to speak for them.
We did not plan on being silent. We did our job. We elected some free market thinkers, at least that is what they told us when they ran for office. Now that they are in it appears that they are forgetting those that believe in 'live and let live' and run for cover every time something a little bit controversial gets brought up.
I just hate that they are abandoning us true conservative conservationists that are trying to do something about urban sprawl and global warming and going with the vocal minority that has not figured out that their way will destroy the world with their squatty, tiny buildings that barely hold a hundred people, much less than the thousands that they should be built to hold.
I understand that another lawsuit was filed at noon yesterday contesting yet another decision where the BCC is trying to get in someone else's business. But, what the heck, we have plenty of money. If not, we can certainly take whatever is needed to keep the flow going.
Beach Fanatic
It is a good thing that entrepeneurs and capitalist have people like you to save us all from ourselves. Who knows what might have happened if those guys had been successful. Maybe some poor people would have a decent paying job, Walton County would have been a bit more green, growth would have once again came to the area. But instead, we get to increase taxes to pay these visionaries not to do their thing. First we pay farmers not to farm in this country, and now we are going to pay speculators not to speculate. What a wonderful world we live in.
I agree with you about the wonderful world we live in. My post had no direction as far as the project being good, bad or indifferent. I just said they "got lucky". That is an opinion. People like you should really read and understand another persons post before they going spouting off.
needs to get out more
We did not plan on being silent. We did our job. We elected some free market thinkers, at least that is what they told us when they ran for office. Now that they are in it appears that they are forgetting those that believe in 'live and let live' and run for cover every time something a little bit controversial gets brought up.
These are your fellow republicans you're referring to, yes?
Regarding your 'sprawl' argument, your theories are accurate to a point. To combat the sprawl you're concerned with, the jolly bay development would in reality be better suited to downtown Freeport, or really your beloved Defuniak Springs, the urban center of of our county. Or, right next to SanDestin. One of the basic foundations of anti-sprawl is to keep people from having to drive to anywhere. This project is not near anywhere. All of this presupposes that there is infrastructure in place, as well as a working public transportation system, parking, schools, medical, etc, etc
SWGBAuthor
At least they have some one who is from North of the Bay and is not trying to impose their South Walton views on the folok of Freeport.
"Now you have either unemployed people or start attracting a very transient work force."
Walton County has allways attracted a VERY transient work force. But what about all of the LOCAL jobs that it would have created. The Landscapers, repair workers and all sorts.
I would love for the Freeport area to have a pier even if it cost money to use it.
The jobs that this would create would be few if any. The landscaping would be done by a company that already employs people. The maintenance would be one person at best.
Since we're all strict on the interpretation of land use, might I point out that the owners of this project have a residential address listed for the LLC. It is also located in a sub division that has a covenants and restrictions against commercial endeavors. Seems as though they are thumbing their nose at the good folks in Gulf Place as well.
Beach Fanatic
I just said they "got lucky". That is an opinion. People like you should really read and understand another persons post before they going spouting off.
I certainly can read your posts. But if people like me have to understand your posts, you are going to spend most of your time talking to yourself, imho.
SWGBAuthor
I certainly can read your posts. But if people like me have to understand your posts, you are going to spend most of your time talking to yourself, imho.
Insults, the sign of a man with no argument.
Beach Fanatic
Since we're all strict on the interpretation of land use, might I point out that the owners of this project have a residential address listed for the LLC. It is also located in a sub division that has a covenants and restrictions against commercial endeavors. Seems as though they are thumbing their nose at the good folks in Gulf Place as well.
Another silly rule that should be done away with. Planning's interpretation would have everyone selling on Ebay required to file a home occupation plan, $300 for permit or DO, whatever they are calling it these days. Code violations should be filed on all of these so the ridiculous nature of restricting economic freedom becomes more evident so it also can be fixed.
Banned
The jobs that this would create would be few if any. The landscaping would be done by a company that already employs people. The maintenance would be one person at best.
Since we're all strict on the interpretation of land use, might I point out that the owners of this project have a residential address listed for the LLC. It is also located in a sub division that has a covenants and restrictions against commercial endeavors. Seems as though they are thumbing their nose at the good folks in Gulf Place as well.
Good point about Gulf Place. What's the authority you reference that makes it wrong and what is the enforcement mechanism? Thanks
SWGBAuthor
Good point about Gulf Place. What's the authority you reference that makes it wrong and what is the enforcement mechanism? Thanks
The authority is the covenants and restrictions. The enforcement would be the board of the HOA.
Beach Fanatic
I certainly can read your posts. But if people like me have to understand your posts, you are going to spend most of your time talking to yourself, imho.
Define people like you?
Beach Fanatic
Insults, the sign of a man with no argument.
Man, if you think this is an insult, you obviously don't know what a true insult looks like.
It seems to me like Robert has all the right arguments and you NIMBY's have smoke and mirrors. I have no idea what most of you would have done if we had decided on no development 40 years ago when all sowal had was a few beach shacks and the Grayton store.
Beach Fanatic
If you look at the Jolly Bay.com website, it sure does look like the start of what DCA is looking for. The buildout space is about the same amount of acres as Rosmary Beach, 16+ acres.
I guess everyone wants acres and acres of roads, concrete pads and 50' roofs as opposed to a few acres of roof covering a high rise. Makes great environmental sense to me.
Beach Fanatic
Define people like you?
If I must you would not understand.
You do have a good looking website, though.
Beach Fanatic
I still say they got lucky...
Checking your forum account
Please wait while we verify your forum account.