Wind Turbines

Oh I forgot, you NIMBY folks do not even want the locals driving in your neighborhoods. No problem. Just keep shoveling those tax dollars north. They recently paved a road that lets me get to I-10 in 7 minutes. If I were to have to evacuate.

ok robert, how does my statement about the feasibility of turbines in the bay lead to your jump of nimbyism? you really must not be following the conversation. or, you're just looking for any excuse to throw caustic responses to those not in your political party, or those who wanted to live closer to where they work. am i wrong for not wanting to use fuel to drive from the north to work in the south??

i'll make easy for you to understand. turbines would never be in the bay because they wouldn't be able to generate enough energy for roi. roi means return on investment.

If Ted Kennedy does not want to see them off the coast of Nantucket, why should I have them in my view of Choctawhatchee Bay?

Nimby? that is your statement above, not mine. still trying to figure out your view of the bay from DFS. maybe you and palin share the same ocular abilities. ocular means having to do with eyes.

No problem. Just keep shoveling those tax dollars north.

this statement is one of many justifications for my having voted against you in the election, and any future elections, should you run again. it makes me question your actual priorities with regard to holding an elected position. elected position means something you do not have.

They recently paved a road that lets me get to I-10 in 7 minutes. If I were to have to evacuate.

it seems it's all about you at this point. coupled with your prior statement, the argument of north county versus south county is fueled by statements like this. good job with furthering the stereotype.

happy fixing in '09.

Jay Leno put one on his garage roof, http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/4216780.html
and they have quite a few on YouTube, this one is very colorful! YouTube - Wind Technology of Toby Kinkaid
Here's a do it yourself project http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2007-07/going-wind

Think about that the next time your yard is being sprayed to kill insects.

Just can't let it go!!! My yard? You mean my woods? I like the Mosquito control coming around!

When is the last time you priced a wind turbine and infrastructure?

The plan I'm looking at says it costs $300, however, I already have some of the materials needed. Before I moved back home when my mother died, she had rented the house out. One of the former tenants had gotten a $700 electric bill, and this was in the early 80's. I have been able to cut it in half by improvements I have made, but I still want to bring it down more.

swgb, all buildings in AB do not have panels. there is one house that has a roof full.

aabsolute, net metering is great, it must be very fulfilling to know one is getting a credit from the power supplier. It does take a good amount of panels to be able to do so though. also, do you remember if the person had batteries. If he did, great, then he's using his collected energy at night. if not, then he's still using the power company at night. either way he's paying less. as panels become cheaper, it will enable more and more people to go PV. builders should be considering wiring new construction for future panels.

That homeowner is tied into the grid. Most of the time he is drawing power from the grid. At other times during the day he is harvesting and generating surplus which is returned to the grid causing his meter to spin backwards.

The plan I'm looking at says it costs $300,

You went from the gov't installing them on the Bay which would cost millions, to a $300 in your woods. Go for it.

the discussion of personal turbines and PV is probably best for it's own thread, and may yield some great ideas.

this thread although not mine, seems to be more geared to commercial generation. another great topic, but really not feasible here(on the panhandle).

water generation has great potential also. i personally don't have enough info to realize if it is feasible here(in the gulf). But, movement in the water surface is what seems to be what generates, so who knows? i've seen a bunch about beta, but not sure if there's any systems actually generating anything of substance. anyone know any differently?

You went from the gov't installing them on the Bay which would cost millions, to a $300 in your woods. Go for it.

I guess it depends on who is buying for the county, and whether there is any public input. If we just sit still, and not participate in the process, I'm sure it would end up a multi-million dollar project! I don't believe it has to be that way. Green energy is available to all who are interested. If someone has a chip on their shoulder, it doesn't matter the comment, it's never good!

What really matters when considering the County or Chelco buying into a wind turbine system is the cost benefit ratio. Currently, that would be a negative ratio.

You went from the gov't installing them on the Bay which would cost millions, to a $300 in your woods. Go for it.

There is a lady up here that promises you free electricity if you buy a set of laundry balls.

John R, I think wrobert has too many logins and has started getting them mixed up. Between his known one, interestedgirl, and idlewind he's probably loosing track.

Here's the issue with tidal power not working. You can't just walk out front of your gulf front home and throw one in the water. You have to place it in a place that gets sustained movement. For instance the entrance to the bay. Do you really think that's going to work with all of the boat traffic currently running through there? You might be able to use one in the waves, but then it becomes an issue of taste. Who wants one of these in the gulf 24 hours a day? Also we don't even have reliable waves here, what do you do on days when the Gulf is flat?

the discussion of personal turbines and PV is probably best for it's own thread, and may yield some great ideas.

this thread although not mine, seems to be more geared to commercial generation. another great topic, but really not feasible here(on the panhandle).

water generation has great potential also. i personally don't have enough info to realize if it is feasible here(in the gulf). But, movement in the water surface is what seems to be what generates, so who knows? i've seen a bunch about beta, but not sure if there's any systems actually generating anything of substance. anyone know any differently?

I'm only working off the premise that moving water's energy is reported to be far superior to the energy contained in moving air. I'm sure we've all heard or seen how 18 inches of moving water can sweep an SUV off the road. By comparison I think it takes 150 miles per hour of wind to generate the same amount of energy. I think we'll find that there are water currents that can be predicted, self renewing and harnessed. Next is working on just the right battery to store the energy.

Here's the issue with tidal power not working. You can't just walk out front of your gulf front home and throw one in the water. You have to place it in a place that gets sustained movement. For instance the entrance to the bay. Do you really think that's going to work with all of the boat traffic currently running through there? You might be able to use one in the waves, but then it becomes an issue of taste. Who wants one of these in the gulf 24 hours a day? Also we don't even have reliable waves here, what do you do on days when the Gulf is flat?

I'm only working off the premise that moving water's energy is reported to be far superior to the energy contained in moving air. I'm sure we've all heard or seen how 18 inches of moving water can sweep an SUV off the road. By comparison I think it takes 150 miles per hour of wind to generate the same amount of energy. I think we'll find that there are water currents that can be predicted, self renewing and harnessed. Next is working on just the right battery to store the energy.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/200...tential-is-one-third-current-power-demand.php

http://www.treehugger.com/files/200...tential-is-one-third-current-power-demand.php

I never heard of that, till now, thanks. My mind is a lot simpler. I was imagining many, many small units that might trickle charge the next generation of battery.

The plan I'm looking at says it costs $300, however, I already have some of the materials needed. Before I moved back home when my mother died, she had rented the house out. One of the former tenants had gotten a $700 electric bill, and this was in the early 80's. I have been able to cut it in half by improvements I have made, but I still want to bring it down more.

If you're really interested in home power - I'd suggest a subscription to Home Power magazine. They go into the nitty gritty details on all the various technologies and costs associated with installation. Wind power, unfortunately is not very efficient, and is costly to implement and maintain. Solar power is more efficient, although an installation that can drop your electric bill to zero, even with Florida's excellent incentives, is still a very long term investment - on the order of 10 - 20 years before you break even. Still, if you have the money to invest long term, I think it's a good investment to make.

Another interesting magazine is Mother Earth News, http://www.motherearthnews.com/.

If you're really interested in home power - I'd suggest a subscription to Home Power magazine. They go into the nitty gritty details on all the various technologies and costs associated with installation. Wind power, unfortunately is not very efficient, and is costly to implement and maintain. Solar power is more efficient, although an installation that can drop your electric bill to zero, even with Florida's excellent incentives, is still a very long term investment - on the order of 10 - 20 years before you break even. Still, if you have the money to invest long term, I think it's a good investment to make.

I have been reading it for a couple of years. It got me off of wind power and now I am looking at hydro and solar. Just waiting to see what the government is going to give me to implement.

I have been reading it for a couple of years. It got me off of wind power and now I am looking at hydro and solar. Just waiting to see what the government is going to give me to implement.

Why did this make me laugh? ;-)

Why did this make me laugh? ;-)

I liked the HYDRO and SOLAR line just as much. ;-)

Why did this make me laugh? ;-)

The last election changed me I guess. I always thought we were suppose to do for ourselves, but I am seeing different. :funn:

The last election changed me I guess. I always thought we were suppose to do for ourselves, but I am seeing different. :funn:

Good to see those "core values" are flexible. :roll:

I have been reading it for a couple of years. It got me off of wind power and now I am looking at hydro and solar. Just waiting to see what the government is going to give me to implement.

I think Florida will pay up to 25K of your installation. The FEDs give you a tax write off too.

I think a combination of all available would be the route to go, negotiable on where placement is. Fuel is on the rise again, and plans definately need to be made to stabilize the whole thing. I still think it's a good idea, and would also create jobs for our community.

The last election changed me I guess. I always thought we were suppose to do for ourselves, but I am seeing different. :funn:

Welcome to my world. I actually work hard to get some of those big, bad federal dollars back to the donors (i.e small governments who pay them in).