County removing articles from beach?

I figured someone would eventually make that jump...

My point is that unattended, non-stationary beach items pose a hazard to other people, nearby buildings, and to the Gulf and the lakes. Who do you think should be responsible if these unattended items go flying and injure a person, bust out someone's plate glass window, or end up in the Eastern Lake outflow where kids swim and fish and crabs dine and socialize?

Littering is littering. If they walk off and leave the stuff on a public beach and you are going to call it trash then take it, throw it away, and arrest the culprits.

The point that seems to be missed, is that no one has declared all of the beaches public. Some of the property is private. The county needs to just go ahead and raise the millage rate up to the maximum and since an argument could be made that the beach is a great public purpose, take the land through the process, reduce the values and compensate the owners. Then the whole stretch is public and picking up the trash left is no longer a problem.

But what the majority seems to want to do is take control of someone else's property. Now that may sound good, but so far it appears the lawyers are saying that it can not be done. That darn Constitution just keeps getting in the way. And while many may wish to shred that document, I believe that is why Jefferson was so strongly in favor of the 2nd amendment, as well as the other nine.

As for who is responsible, since there is foreseeability and since the property owner would have a duty to maintain, if something happens like that because they did not go out and clean the stuff off themselves, then I would think that they would get to enjoy the liability.

My beef is the word, LANDFILL! In this day of going green and recycling, shame, shame! Taking this stuff to the landfill? Useable stuff should be taken to the Caring and Sharing, Haven House, Habitat for Humanity, or someother charity organization to be sold to raise money for these organizations. The rest of it should be sorted and deposited in the appropriate places! Failed the ECO-FRIENDLY award!

My beef is the word, LANDFILL! In this day of going green and recycling, shame, shame! Taking this stuff to the landfill? Useable stuff should be taken to the Caring and Sharing, Haven House, Habitat for Humanity, or someother charity organization to be sold to raise money for these organizations. The rest of it should be sorted and deposited in the appropriate places! Failed the ECO-FRIENDLY award!

I'll take the bold step of contributing to the ECO-FRIENDLY award by accepting all Rolex watches that would otherwise be sent to the landfill.

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I'll take the bold step of contributing to the ECO-FRIENDLY award by accepting all Rolex watches that would otherwise be sent to the landfill.

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I'll second that!

My beef is the word, LANDFILL! In this day of going green and recycling, shame, shame! Taking this stuff to the landfill? Useable stuff should be taken to the Caring and Sharing, Haven House, Habitat for Humanity, or someother charity organization to be sold to raise money for these organizations. The rest of it should be sorted and deposited in the appropriate places! Failed the ECO-FRIENDLY award!

I have been looking to pick a fight. This might do. Why are landfills an issue? My wife got on this kick of using ecofriendly diapers for our youngest that were more expensive than regular ones and were a big pain because they required an outer shell that needed to be washed after every poop. She said we needed to do this because it was environmentally irresponsible that our diapers stayed in the landfill for 100 years before they decomposed (or something like that)...

So I probed. Why is it bad for diapers to stay in a landfill? Is it not equally or more environmentally irresponsible to use all that water and chemical detergent to wash the outer shell that we use for these recyclable diaper inserts?

Have you flown over this country lately. Lots and lots of open space for landfills.

Someone set me straight. Dummy it down for me. Why is it bad that we put our stuff in landfills? I am under the impression that they serve their purpose completely...

Dare I bring in the whole recycling thing? Don't we burn fossil fuels to transport the cans, plastics, etc. that we are recycling? Don't we use water in the process? Don't the machines that compact/reshape the materials emit pollution into the atmosphere?

Conventional wisdom seems to point to recycling being good, landfills being bad. But what does science say? Gimme some data...

Otherwise, I wonder how much of this is the result of effective lobbying/PR by some enterprise/industry that profits from recycling...

EDIT: Sorry for the tangent. I know this isn't directly (or that indirectly) about removing items from the beach. I just got excited that I got excited. It's been a while!!!

I guess Turtle Watch may be going militant. There is a story on www.WJHG.com about someone doing damage to items left on the beach behind an east end Condo. The person in question denies she caused the damage. She was charged with Criminal Mischief and bonded out.

Geo - landfills are an issue because there isn't enough room to just dump it all somewhere and we keep producing more and more trash per person that never breaks down. If it all rotted or rusted away safely it would be less of an issue, but plastics will outlive us all and electronic components have many hazardous components.

Recycling trucks may currently run on fossil fuels, but that is far better than building more "Trash Mountains" that accent many urban or landlocked skylines or the mess of plastic bags the size of Texas churning in our oceans.

Geo - landfills are an issue because there isn't enough room to just dump it all somewhere and we keep producing more and more trash per person that never breaks down. If it all rotted or rusted away safely it would be less of an issue, but plastics will outlive us all and electronic components have many hazardous components.

Recycling trucks may currently run on fossil fuels, but that is far better than building more "Trash Mountains" that accent many urban or landlocked skylines or the mess of plastic bags the size of Texas churning in our oceans.

Just because "isn't" is bolded above doesn't make it true. When did we run out of space for landfills? I fly from anywhere to anywhere and see plenty of space for landfills.

You say that running the trucks is "far better" than landfills. In what way? How do you know this? Because you've heard it for a long time like I have? Data please. Sources?

Hazardous components? That sounds like a good reason to put them in- a landfill...

My understanding is that the stuff in landfills gets compacted over and over again. Landfills don't cause the trash issues in the oceans. But they could solve them, no?

You may think you see plenty of space for landfills, but that doesn't mean every location in the world has appropriate space for landfills or is a good place to dispose of hazardous items. Dense urban areas in particular have nowhere good to put their trash.

In many places the landfill is just a place where trash is dumped - not compacted etc.

Sorry, I do not have a link to a scientific study that tells us that it is better to recycle an item than to go dump it somewhere for thousands of years.

Scoooter, your responses lead me to believe that neither you nor I really know that landfills are bad/recycling is good but rather that we just believe this as fact because we have been told this by so many people for so long...