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wrobert

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If you can convince the local liberals on this board that it would generate a lot of revenue, you could probably get this PRIVATE property seized for the good of the state.

Other than that, I can not see how you would come to a conclusion that the county can just go in and take a subdivision.  Define abandoned.  They have procedures in place to correct those that are not being completed.  And if they owners do not pay their taxes a procedure in place would handle that.

If you can convince the local liberals on this board that it would generate a lot of revenue, you could probably get this PRIVATE property seized for the good of the state. 
 
Other than that, I can not see how you would come to a conclusion that the county can just go in and take a subdivision. Define abandoned. They have procedures in place to correct those that are not being completed. And if they owners do not pay their taxes a procedure in place would handle that.

Beach Runner

beats on hood

Yeah, like what is the deal on the abandoned subdivision at Heritage Dunes on Eastern Lake Road? I just don't get why only one lot has been built upon in the past 5 years out of about 30 lots?:idontno:

Yeah, like what is the deal on the abandoned subdivision at Heritage Dunes on Eastern Lake Road? I just don&#039;t get why only one lot has been built upon in the past 5 years out of about 30 lots?:idontno:

Most were put in place based on the thinking that the bubble could never burst.
If and when they all get built out, it will be a nice addition to the local tax base.
I only hope the infrastructure and roads necessary to handle all the added people stays in step with the eventual growth.

Most were put in place based on the thinking that the bubble could never burst. 
If and when they all get built out, it will be a nice addition to the local tax base. 
I only hope the infrastructure and roads necessary to handle all the added people stays in step with the eventual growth.

passin thru

[quote="Beach Runner, post: 574599"]Yeah, like what is the deal on the abandoned subdivision at Heritage Dunes on Eastern Lake Road? I just don't get while only one lot hs been built upon in the past 5 years out of about 30 lots?:idontno:[/quote]
 
There may not be much activity (only one house currently being built there, only one lot resold in the last 15 months), but Heritage Dunes isn't exactly "abandoned" in my book. Like many recent 30-A developments, most of the lots there were purchased by speculators while the beautiful, shimmering bubble rose.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Beach Runner">Yeah, like what is the deal on the abandoned subdivision at Heritage Dunes on Eastern Lake Road? I just don&#039;t get while only one lot hs been built upon in the past 5 years out of about 30 lots?:idontno:</blockquote> 
There may not be much activity (only one house currently being built there, only one lot resold in the last 15 months), but Heritage Dunes isn&#039;t exactly &quot;abandoned&quot; in my book. Like many recent 30-A developments, most of the lots there were purchased by speculators while the beautiful, shimmering bubble rose.

Mango

SoWal Insider

[quote="wrobert, post: 574585"]If you can convince the local liberals on this board that it would generate a lot of revenue, you could probably get this PRIVATE property seized for the good of the state.

Other than that, I can not see how you would come to a conclusion that the county can just go in and take a subdivision.  Define abandoned.  They have procedures in place to correct those that are not being completed.  And if they owners do not pay their taxes a procedure in place would handle that.[/quote]

Tell me how seizure of private property by government is now a Conservative view if taxes are being paid by the holders of notes? If they are not, then tell us what we do with said property after it's seized. Build affordable housing? Turn them into parks? Oh wait, that might require stimulus to create these new jobs and housing. The horror!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="wrobert">If you can convince the local liberals on this board that it would generate a lot of revenue, you could probably get this PRIVATE property seized for the good of the state. 
 
Other than that, I can not see how you would come to a conclusion that the county can just go in and take a subdivision. Define abandoned. They have procedures in place to correct those that are not being completed. And if they owners do not pay their taxes a procedure in place would handle that.</blockquote> 
Tell me how seizure of private property by government is now a Conservative view if taxes are being paid by the holders of notes? If they are not, then tell us what we do with said property after it&#039;s seized. Build affordable housing? Turn them into parks? Oh wait, that might require stimulus to create these new jobs and housing. The horror!

Andy A

Mango, come on!  I think wrobert was pulling your leg or trying to get a rise out of many on the board.  IMO, you bite.

30A Skunkape

Skunky

[quote="Andy A., post: 574711"]Mango, come on!  I think wrobert was pulling your leg or [B]trying to get a rise out of many on the board[/B].  IMO, you bite.[/quote]

That has been the trend for the last month or so.:roll:

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Andy A.">Mango, come on! I think wrobert was pulling your leg or trying to get a rise out of many on the board. IMO, you bite.</blockquote> 
That has been the trend for the last month or so.:roll:

[quote="Andy A., post: 574711"]Mango, come on!  I think wrobert was pulling your leg or trying to get a rise out of many on the board.  IMO, you bite.[/quote]

Noting wrong with a little quid pro quo nip. The tap tap on the windows has become rock throwing now. Like Skunky mentioned, a trend, and an unnecessary one as far as I am concerned. 

P.S. I never bite, but if cornered, I will break out the lady Glock. :twisted:

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Andy A.">Mango, come on! I think wrobert was pulling your leg or trying to get a rise out of many on the board. IMO, you bite.</blockquote> 
Noting wrong with a little quid pro quo nip. The tap tap on the windows has become rock throwing now. Like Skunky mentioned, a trend, and an unnecessary one as far as I am concerned. 
 
P.S. I never bite, but if cornered, I will break out the lady Glock. :twisted:

Lisa Ruby

[quote="Beach Runner, post: 574599"]Yeah, like what is the deal on the abandoned subdivision at Heritage Dunes on Eastern Lake Road? I just don't get while only one lot hs been built upon in the past 5 years out of about 30 lots?:idontno:[/quote]

Factors other than the market rise and fall are Heritage Dunes has no build out restrictions, most lots are rental restricted (no short term).

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Beach Runner">Yeah, like what is the deal on the abandoned subdivision at Heritage Dunes on Eastern Lake Road? I just don&#039;t get while only one lot hs been built upon in the past 5 years out of about 30 lots?:idontno:</blockquote> 
Factors other than the market rise and fall are Heritage Dunes has no build out restrictions, most lots are rental restricted (no short term).

JeanLafitte

Beach Comber

[quote="Mango, post: 574750"]Noting wrong with a little quid pro quo nip. The tap tap on the windows has become rock throwing now. Like Skunky mentioned, a trend, and an unnecessary one as far as I am concerned. 

P.S. I never bite, but if cornered, [B]I will break out the lady Glock.[/B] :twisted:[/quote]

Femme fatale!  Je t'adore.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Mango">Noting wrong with a little quid pro quo nip. The tap tap on the windows has become rock throwing now. Like Skunky mentioned, a trend, and an unnecessary one as far as I am concerned. 
 
P.S. I never bite, but if cornered, I will break out the lady Glock. :twisted:</blockquote> 
Femme fatale! Je t&#039;adore.

citeright

my only mentioning of this process is not to invadee private property rights but to point out that purchaser of a subdivided lot  advertised as having water, sewer, and electric has been left out in the cold by a defunct HOA or developer or a combination of both.
 
we have a great supply of proposed lots but no real build out  or solid promise of buildout under the current system of placing lots in the record with actual installation of services. we could revert to each individual lot owner makinging sure they are seriviced by water and sewer along with electric, it is not counter to beoing a good conservative to ensure that a landowner has a proper  access to services.
 
This is a basic right of propeety ownership to have what is promised in the transaction.

my only mentioning of this process is not to invadee private property rights but to point out that purchaser of a subdivided lot advertised as having water, sewer, and electric has been left out in the cold by a defunct HOA or developer or a combination of both. 
 
we have a great supply of proposed lots but no real build out or solid promise of buildout under the current system of placing lots in the record with actual installation of services. we could revert to each individual lot owner makinging sure they are seriviced by water and sewer along with electric, it is not counter to beoing a good conservative to ensure that a landowner has a proper access to services. 
 
This is a basic right of propeety ownership to have what is promised in the transaction.

citeright, there are some subdivisions that were approved & started in SoWal ... NatureWalk, Chateaux de Paris (?!), maybe parts of Driftwood, I'm not sure, come to mind ... that may not be fully served by utilities.
 
But are you aware of subdivisions where lots with no services were sold to individual consumers?

citeright, there are some subdivisions that were approved &amp; started in SoWal ... NatureWalk, Chateaux de Paris (?!), maybe parts of Driftwood, I&#039;m not sure, come to mind ... that may not be fully served by utilities. 
 
But are you aware of subdivisions where lots with no services were sold to individual consumers?

[quote="Mango, post: 574750"]Noting wrong with a little quid pro quo nip. The tap tap on the windows has become rock throwing now. Like Skunky mentioned, a trend, and an unnecessary one as far as I am concerned. 

P.S. I never bite, but if cornered, I will break out the lady Glock. :twisted:[/quote]


Just remember I have gotten old and fat so you do not have to lead as much.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Mango">Noting wrong with a little quid pro quo nip. The tap tap on the windows has become rock throwing now. Like Skunky mentioned, a trend, and an unnecessary one as far as I am concerned. 
 
P.S. I never bite, but if cornered, I will break out the lady Glock. :twisted:</blockquote> 
 
Just remember I have gotten old and fat so you do not have to lead as much.

[quote="citeright, post: 574771"]my only mentioning of this process is not to invadee private property rights but to point out that purchaser of a subdivided lot  advertised as having water, sewer, and electric has been left out in the cold by a defunct HOA or developer or a combination of both.
 
we have a great supply of proposed lots but no real build out  or solid promise of buildout under the current system of placing lots in the record with actual installation of services. we could revert to each individual lot owner makinging sure they are seriviced by water and sewer along with electric, it is not counter to beoing a good conservative to ensure that a landowner has a proper  access to services.
 
This is a basic right of propeety ownership to have what is promised in the transaction.[/quote]

Now that is an interesting issue.  While the infrastructure may have either been completed or a letter of credit used to allow the sale of a lot, nothing that I have seen secured the payments needed to be made for water/sewer taps.  So I wonder if you can get a building permit.  And if not, how does that affect the value of the land in the sd.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="citeright">my only mentioning of this process is not to invadee private property rights but to point out that purchaser of a subdivided lot advertised as having water, sewer, and electric has been left out in the cold by a defunct HOA or developer or a combination of both. 
 
we have a great supply of proposed lots but no real build out or solid promise of buildout under the current system of placing lots in the record with actual installation of services. we could revert to each individual lot owner makinging sure they are seriviced by water and sewer along with electric, it is not counter to beoing a good conservative to ensure that a landowner has a proper access to services. 
 
This is a basic right of propeety ownership to have what is promised in the transaction.</blockquote> 
Now that is an interesting issue. While the infrastructure may have either been completed or a letter of credit used to allow the sale of a lot, nothing that I have seen secured the payments needed to be made for water/sewer taps. So I wonder if you can get a building permit. And if not, how does that affect the value of the land in the sd.

[quote="nowgirl, post: 574751"]Factors other than the market rise and fall are Heritage Dunes has no build out restrictions, most lots are rental restricted (no short term).[/quote]
I thought that it was a non-rental area. but I guess no short-term rentals covers it. I mean, who does a long-term rental in an area that expensive?:idontno:
 
I know of people who have submitted their architectural plans to the architectural review committee and were turned down. :idontno:I can't find anywhere that their architectural standards are specified. Any ideas? Anyone?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="nowgirl">Factors other than the market rise and fall are Heritage Dunes has no build out restrictions, most lots are rental restricted (no short term).</blockquote>I thought that it was a non-rental area. but I guess no short-term rentals covers it. I mean, who does a long-term rental in an area that expensive?:idontno: 
 
I know of people who have submitted their architectural plans to the architectural review committee and were turned down. :idontno:I can&#039;t find anywhere that their architectural standards are specified. Any ideas? Anyone?

[quote="passin' thru, post: 574775"]citeright, there are some subdivisions that were approved & started in SoWal ... NatureWalk, Chateaux de Paris (?!), maybe parts of Driftwood, I'm not sure, come to mind ... that may not be fully served by utilities.
 
But are you aware of subdivisions where lots with no services were sold to individual consumers?[/quote]
 
Harsetvedt Plantation on the south shore of the bay comes immediately to mind.
 
I'm sure the utility providers would like to collect some of their outlay money rather than have dead lines.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="passin&amp;#039; thru">citeright, there are some subdivisions that were approved &amp; started in SoWal ... NatureWalk, Chateaux de Paris (?!), maybe parts of Driftwood, I&#039;m not sure, come to mind ... that may not be fully served by utilities. 
 
But are you aware of subdivisions where lots with no services were sold to individual consumers?</blockquote> 
Harsetvedt Plantation on the south shore of the bay comes immediately to mind. 
 
I&#039;m sure the utility providers would like to collect some of their outlay money rather than have dead lines.

scooterbug44

SoWal Expert

As long as taxes are being paid and the place is not a safety hazard or blight, I don't see why we need to interfere. If you sell someone a lot, whether or not it actually has sewer and utilities should be part of due diligence, no? Empty or unbuilt lots are rather low on my list of priorities - it's not natural to build out every lot at once.
 
Is Heritage Dunes at the corner of 30-A and the eastern Eastern Lake road (Lakeview)? If so, its vacant/abandoned self is more attractive and well maintained than most occupied properties in Sowal IMO. (though those funky little jogs in the sidewalk annoy me).

As long as taxes are being paid and the place is not a safety hazard or blight, I don&#039;t see why we need to interfere. If you sell someone a lot, whether or not it actually has sewer and utilities should be part of due diligence, no? Empty or unbuilt lots are rather low on my list of priorities - it&#039;s not natural to build out every lot at once. 
 
Is Heritage Dunes at the corner of 30-A and the eastern Eastern Lake road (Lakeview)? If so, its vacant/abandoned self is more attractive and well maintained than most occupied properties in Sowal IMO. (though those funky little jogs in the sidewalk annoy me).

[quote="scooterbug44, post: 574998"]As long as taxes are being paid and the place is not a safety hazard or blight, I don't see why we need to interfere. If you sell someone a lot, whether or not it actually has sewer and utilities should be part of due diligence, no? Empty or unbuilt lots are rather low on my list of priorities - it's not natural to build out every lot at once.
 
Is Heritage Dunes at the corner of 30-A and the eastern Eastern Lake road (Lakeview)? If so, its vacant/abandoned self is more attractive and well maintained than most occupied properties in Sowal IMO. (though those funky little jogs in the sidewalk annoy me).[/quote]
It's on Eastern Lake Road, west of Eastern Lake. Beautifully landscaped and gated. It extends from the Gulf on the south to 30A on the north, with Eastern Lake Road going down the middle.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="scooterbug44">As long as taxes are being paid and the place is not a safety hazard or blight, I don&#039;t see why we need to interfere. If you sell someone a lot, whether or not it actually has sewer and utilities should be part of due diligence, no? Empty or unbuilt lots are rather low on my list of priorities - it&#039;s not natural to build out every lot at once. 
 
Is Heritage Dunes at the corner of 30-A and the eastern Eastern Lake road (Lakeview)? If so, its vacant/abandoned self is more attractive and well maintained than most occupied properties in Sowal IMO. (though those funky little jogs in the sidewalk annoy me).</blockquote>It&#039;s on Eastern Lake Road, west of Eastern Lake. Beautifully landscaped and gated. It extends from the Gulf on the south to 30A on the north, with Eastern Lake Road going down the middle.

Thanks - different one than I was thinking of, but it's still got nice landscaping and annoying crooked sidewalks so most still applies! :biggrin:

Thanks - different one than I was thinking of, but it&#039;s still got nice landscaping and annoying crooked sidewalks so most still applies! 😀

Does the County have a responsibility to take over abandoned subdivision? If so, what is being done? 
 
I am aware of Driftwood and the various issues there, but there seems to be many more cases of bank owned or developer abandoned subdivisions in the area.
 
How will they be handled?

Does the County have a responsibility to take over abandoned subdivision? If so, what is being done? 
 
I am aware of Driftwood and the various issues there, but there seems to be many more cases of bank owned or developer abandoned subdivisions in the area. 
 
How will they be handled?

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