From Walton Sun
More than $62 million in improvements are needed to properly accommodate the volume of traffic on County Road 30 A, a report from the Genesis Group said.
January 2006 concluded the Genesis Group?s 12-month study of CR 30A, the only other east/west route in South Walton besides U.S. Highway 98. During the course of the analysis, six segments of the coastal road were monitored.
Using numbers based on current population, anticipated projects and vacant land, Genesis looked at different variables along CR 30A that would affect traffic patterns, Ben Chandler, Genesis transportation planner, said.
To integrate public needs and perceptions concerning the road, more than 900 personal surveys were sent to area residents, followed by one month of technical meetings and public input series.
?The study was its own endeavor while at the same time reviewing traffic concurrency procedures,? Chandler said.
?We thoroughly enjoyed working on this,? Debbie Dantin, project manager of the CR 30A study, said.
The Genesis Group suggested a host of short and long-term improvements for CR 30A.
?We looked at current design standards and how to provide recommendations for standardizing some of the design features,? Chandler said.
Some of the recommendations made for the welltraveled road included consistent sign standards, consistent pavement markings and crosswalk standards, warranted turning lanes and roundabouts.
?Roundabouts are a better alternative (to traffic signals). They allow increased capacity and reduce the overall delay,? Dantin said.
One of the most critical elements to controlling traffic is the continued push for public transportation, such as trolleys, she added.
Some of other suggestions for more pedestrian friendly elements along CR 30A included bicycle lane installation and sidewalks and trails.
?A good portion of this can be paid through private/public partnership,? Chandler said, suggesting developers incur some of the costs.
Dantin hopes some of the changes will, ?complement the scenic corridor designation. We?re trying to balance environmental issues with the scenic corridor.?
?There is always going to be traffic because it?s a popular destination,? Chandler said. ?These are suggestions to more efficiently mover traffic.?
The Genesis Group is also working a on a traffic concurrency study for the county, which will help reevaluate current currency regulations.
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aquaticbiologyaquaticbiologyfishlipsredneck heaven799 postsJoined View profileMessagefishlips
aquaticbiologyfishlipsredneck heaven799 postsJoined View profileMessagefishlipsshouldn't there be a scooter lane since they can't go in the bike lane?
62 million for signs, crosswalks and a couple of planted round curbings?
stop all development south of 30a, by it all at .02cents on the dollar, raze it and make the whole of it from the old school to grayton into a landscaped oceanside park a'la Sanibel City Park with natural untamed primitive beaches and dune ridges with seagrass and open areas of grass grass and live oaks and exquisite gardens and walkovers and boardwalks and pavillions and skateboard parks and playgrounds and museums and culture centers and surfer spots and hippie hangouts - there's your 62 million well spent, and the hordes of tourists that would come would bring many many more millions
way too much greed for it to ever happen, but its a nice dream
http://www.leeislandcoast.com/everything_to_do/beach/ungroomedbeach.php
62 million for signs, crosswalks and a couple of planted round curbings?
stop all development south of 30a, by it all at .02cents on the dollar, raze it and make the whole of it from the old school to grayton into a landscaped oceanside park a'la Sanibel City Park with natural untamed primitive beaches and dune ridges with seagrass and open areas of grass grass and live oaks and exquisite gardens and walkovers and boardwalks and pavillions and skateboard parks and playgrounds and museums and culture centers and surfer spots and hippie hangouts - there's your 62 million well spent, and the hordes of tourists that would come would bring many many more millions
way too much greed for it to ever happen, but its a nice dream
http://www.leeislandcoast.com/everything_to_do/beach/ungroomedbeach.php
MKHMKHBeach FanaticMemphis, TN/Seacrest Beach, FL267 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
MKHBeach FanaticMemphis, TN/Seacrest Beach, FL267 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticFrom Walton Sun
More than $62 million in improvements are needed to properly accommodate the volume of traffic on County Road 30 A, a report from the Genesis Group said.
January 2006 concluded the Genesis Group?s 12-month study of CR 30A, the only other east/west route in South Walton besides U.S. Highway 98. During the course of the analysis, six segments of the coastal road were monitored.
Using numbers based on current population, anticipated projects and vacant land, Genesis looked at different variables along CR 30A that would affect traffic patterns, Ben Chandler, Genesis transportation planner, said.
To integrate public needs and perceptions concerning the road, more than 900 personal surveys were sent to area residents, followed by one month of technical meetings and public input series.
?The study was its own endeavor while at the same time reviewing traffic concurrency procedures,? Chandler said.
?We thoroughly enjoyed working on this,? Debbie Dantin, project manager of the CR 30A study, said.
The Genesis Group suggested a host of short and long-term improvements for CR 30A.
?We looked at current design standards and how to provide recommendations for standardizing some of the design features,? Chandler said.
Some of the recommendations made for the welltraveled road included consistent sign standards, consistent pavement markings and crosswalk standards, warranted turning lanes and roundabouts.
?Roundabouts are a better alternative (to traffic signals). They allow increased capacity and reduce the overall delay,? Dantin said.
One of the most critical elements to controlling traffic is the continued push for public transportation, such as trolleys, she added.
Some of other suggestions for more pedestrian friendly elements along CR 30A included bicycle lane installation and sidewalks and trails.
?A good portion of this can be paid through private/public partnership,? Chandler said, suggesting developers incur some of the costs.
Dantin hopes some of the changes will, ?complement the scenic corridor designation. We?re trying to balance environmental issues with the scenic corridor.?
?There is always going to be traffic because it?s a popular destination,? Chandler said. ?These are suggestions to more efficiently mover traffic.?
The Genesis Group is also working a on a traffic concurrency study for the county, which will help reevaluate current currency regulations.
Hmmm. $62 million for improvements? No problem-just let me find my wallet. Then can I charge a toll for everyone that uses these improvements? Payable in cash, suntan lotion, white wine, or seafood platters from Seagrove Market? :floor:
dsilvardsilvarBeach FanaticMiramar beach307 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
dsilvarBeach FanaticMiramar beach307 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic.. a landscaped oceanside park a'la Sanibel City Park with natural untamed primitive beaches and dune ridges with seagrass and open areas of grass grass and live oaks and exquisite gardens and walkovers and boardwalks and pavillions and skateboard parks and playgrounds and museums and culture centers and surfer spots and hippie hangouts - there's your 62 million well spent.What a novel and logical idea. I like!!
ShallowsNoleShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
ShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticPlease...no roundabouts. :pissed:
BeachSteelersBeachSteelersBeach FanaticSeagrove473 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
BeachSteelersBeach FanaticSeagrove473 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticThink it's hard to cross 30A at 395 now. Forget it with a Roundabout. Cars are encouraged to keep moving.Good luck Crossing. I've seen them out west in Aspen and Vail a couple of towns with traffic problems. However these places have Free Public transportation to help ease the flow. Yet we share a common ailment. Property values so high in a resort type towns that their employment base must come from outside of town. looks like L.A. into and out of Aspen every day. And up 331 and east and west on 98. And hey lets now widen 98 to 6 lanes now that we're nearly built out to help worsen it all.
NOW VOTE OUT ALL OF WALTON'S COUNTY POLITITIANS
NOW VOTE OUT ALL OF WALTON'S COUNTY POLITITIANS
Smiling JOeSmiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
Smiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal ExpertPlease...no roundabouts. :pissed:I think the BCC approved the roundabouts at their last meeting.
BeachSteelersBeachSteelersBeach FanaticSeagrove473 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
BeachSteelersBeach FanaticSeagrove473 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticGuess whatever's best for the developers is enough for the rest of us :bang:
Smiling JOeSmiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
Smiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal ExpertGuess whatever's best for the developers is enough for the rest of us :bang:I believe they gave the go ahead for roundabouts along 30A at 395, 83, and 393. Some people have still yet to decipher the stop sign. I think roundabouts work well in communities where people are use to them, but I have a feeling that with all of the tourists around here who are not familiar with the roundabouts, we will see more traffic accidents at those intersections than ever before. I also think that during the season, they will slow traffic rather than speed it up.
If the BCC had paid me to conduct the study, I could have told them about this problem and would not have recommended such.
SHELLYSHELLYSoWal Insider5,763 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
SHELLYSoWal Insider5,763 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal InsiderSing along everyone!
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
With a condo-hotels, seawalls, and a Prada bag shop.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
With a condo-hotels, seawalls, and a Prada bag shop.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
Miss KittyMiss KittyMeow47,011 postsJoined View profileMessageMeow
Miss KittyMeow47,011 postsJoined View profileMessageMeowSing along everyone!
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
With a condo-hotels, seawalls, and a Prada bag shop.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
Joni and I are so proud!!!! :clap_1: SHELLY....you never cease to amaze me!
MermaidMermaidpicky7,871 postsJoined View profileMessagepicky
Sing along everyone!
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
With a condo-hotels, seawalls, and a Prada bag shop.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
Theme song of the 30-A beach radio. I think they play it every hour, on the hour. 😀
TooFarTampaTooFarTampaSoWal InsiderNative of Tampa now in Boston 'burbs. Left my hear5,422 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
TooFarTampaSoWal InsiderNative of Tampa now in Boston 'burbs. Left my hear5,422 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal InsiderSing along everyone!
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
With a condo-hotels, seawalls, and a Prada bag shop.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a round-about
:clap_1: :floor: Fine rendition. Though you forgot to mention Louie Vaton. :rolling:
beacheartbeacheartBeach Lover50 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
As far as I am concerned that 62 million needs to be used for beach renourishment. It won't take a very big storm to devastate the beaches. That is why people come to the 30-A area. Sounds like the cart before the horse.
jimmyp5jimmyp5Beach LoverSeagrove104 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
jimmyp5Beach LoverSeagrove104 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Loveri do agree with beacheart that the first $62 million should be spent on beach renourishment
and i do agree with don henley, that "you call a place paradise, kiss it goodbye"
whether it's spending loads of $$ on 30-A, or 6-laning 98, it comes down to the classic conumdrum .... do you build better/more traffic-handling roads and parking, and thereby invite more cars .... or do you leave it alone and therby hope to discourage more car usage?
when i lived in aspen in the late 70s, when we already thought traffic was bad going up- and down-valley (ha!), someone suggested only half tongue-in-cheek that the way to fix the traffic on state 82 was not to four-lane it, but to rip out the 2 lanes of pavement that were there, and turn it back to dirt
30-A traffic problems could be alleviated somewhat by more of us riding bikes and scooters more often, and by more of us simply following the rules of the road .... signalling, actually stopping at stop signs and on stop LINES, yielding to pedestrians .... and, BTW, bicyclists need to follow the rules of the road, too, including stop signs
i feel roundabouts work well in general IF people are intelligent, observant drivers ... if people aren't attentive and courteous, it doesn't matter what traffic controls/guidance are in place, they won't work
and i do agree with don henley, that "you call a place paradise, kiss it goodbye"
whether it's spending loads of $$ on 30-A, or 6-laning 98, it comes down to the classic conumdrum .... do you build better/more traffic-handling roads and parking, and thereby invite more cars .... or do you leave it alone and therby hope to discourage more car usage?
when i lived in aspen in the late 70s, when we already thought traffic was bad going up- and down-valley (ha!), someone suggested only half tongue-in-cheek that the way to fix the traffic on state 82 was not to four-lane it, but to rip out the 2 lanes of pavement that were there, and turn it back to dirt
30-A traffic problems could be alleviated somewhat by more of us riding bikes and scooters more often, and by more of us simply following the rules of the road .... signalling, actually stopping at stop signs and on stop LINES, yielding to pedestrians .... and, BTW, bicyclists need to follow the rules of the road, too, including stop signs
i feel roundabouts work well in general IF people are intelligent, observant drivers ... if people aren't attentive and courteous, it doesn't matter what traffic controls/guidance are in place, they won't work
southof30Asouthof30ABeach Lover220 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
southof30ABeach Lover220 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach LoverI will personally pay $39.95 for each of the two traffic lights at Rosemary Beach to be removed. Now the project will only cost taxpayers $61,999,920.10
SHELLYSHELLYSoWal Insider5,763 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
SHELLYSoWal Insider5,763 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider30-A traffic problems could be alleviated somewhat by more of us riding bikes and scooters more often, and by more of us simply following the rules of the road .... signalling, actually stopping at stop signs and on stop LINES, yielding to pedestrians .... and, BTW, bicyclists need to follow the rules of the road, too, including stop signs
Jim,
Florida legislature plans on jumping on all that as soon as they teach us seniors to stop driving around all day with our left turn signals flashing--it's gonna take a while. But on the plus side...they finally did get around to officially designating Key Lime as the Official State Pie!!! :clap_1:
Smiling JOeSmiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
Smiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal ExpertJim,I thought the Sweet Potato Pie was a shoe-in to win it. :idontno:
Florida legislature plans on jumping on all that as soon as they teach us seniors to stop driving around all day with our left turn signals flashing--it's gonna take a while. But on the plus side...they finally did get around to officially designating Key Lime as the Official State Pie!!! :clap_1:
Beach RunnerBeach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hood
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hoodstop all development south of 30a, by it all at .02cents on the dollar, raze it and make the whole of it from the old school to grayton into a landscaped oceanside park a'la Sanibel City Park with natural untamed primitive beaches and dune ridges with seagrass and open areas of grass grass and live oaks and exquisite gardens and walkovers and boardwalks and pavillions and skateboard parks and playgrounds and museums and culture centers and surfer spots and hippie hangouts - there's your 62 million well spent, and the hordes of tourists that would come would bring many many more millionsI agree. The only alternative is four-lane-highway land like in Destin, Gulf Shores, etc. The reason we bought here is because it wasn't four-lane land. The roundabouts are a ruse. They won't help.
way too much greed for it to ever happen, but its a nice dream
As an aside, how did Rosemary get all of the traffic lights? Only ones on 30A, right? I'd prefer no traffic lights on 30-A, but remember the old days on 30-A when people got ticked off about "big signs" on 30-A. My, how things have changed in less than five years.
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