Comander vs Kramer - thoughts?

I thought Kramer was running as an Independent, not as a "D"?

My main concern is that Kramer will have many conflicts of interest - and that will lead to him either having to recuse himself from many decisions brought before the board OR him voting on issues that directly affect former/current clients, business associates, and his own projects.

Might as well get this out there so that the facts can be known. Kramer is running what I find to be a very confusing campaign and he has not really gotten started yet.

Yeah, your comment is confusing.

I thought Kramer was running as an Independent, not as a "D"?

Kramer has the best of all worlds. He is a registered Democrat who qualified to run under the No Party Affiliation label, then places Independent on his campaign materials, and when he speaks touts his prior membership on the Republican Executive Committee.

But he is still a registered Democrat. If he were truly independent he could have changed to NPA, as Crist did, when he went to qualify.

Yeah, your comment is confusing.

You will catch on soon enough.

My main concern is that Kramer will have many conflicts of interest - and that will lead to him either having to recuse himself from many decisions brought before the board OR him voting on issues that directly affect former/current clients, business associates, and his own projects.

Yes, I think you are exactly correct. He is a very good resource who would better serve the county as a "spokesman for the citizens" than as a Commissioner who's every vote on a development or realty issue would be open to suspect and criticism.

confused?

Might as well get this out there so that the facts can be known. Kramer is running what I find to be a very confusing campaign and he has not really gotten started yet.

Why you seem to be easliy confused or did you just forget to call 'Kramer' and ask him any questions for yourself? Perhaps speaking to him directly will help for some sense of peace of mind. And why do you suppose that 'he hasn't gotten started yet' - when you have not asked or spoken to him?

By the way - if you get better informed you will find that Kramer is an Independent/No Party Affiliation & NOT a '(D)' as you publicly suppose. You might research first(before you type) and thereby keep your facts correct - or perhaps, just continue your obvious agenda and spray your semblance of facts.

Respectfully we suggest that you call David Kramer with any of your questions.

Please, just call Kramer and ask him for yourself - he's quite easy to speak with
and you should try him at 850-267-3464/office or 850-585-8337/cell.

Campaign to Elect David Kramer

Why are you referring to yourself in 3rd. person? Just come on as David Kramer instead of David Kramer's business, and answer whatever questions the voters may have for David Kramer.

You will catch on soon enough.

Still waiting, I will be voting for Sara in spite of you.

Still waiting, I will be voting for Sara in spite of you.

Good for you!!! I am sure she will be very appreciative. I am with Sunspotbaby as far as the response from David Kramer is concerned. There is no reason to use his realty company when he can answer us directly.
Once again I will reiterate. There is no valid reason for him to run for Commissioner IMO. He has too many vested interests that come before the Commission time and time again.
I appreciate the fact that he is intelligent, articulate and very wealthy. The fact remains that he can be much more useful to county citizens as an interested citizen and advocate than as a member of the Walton County Board of Commissioners.

It's already the David Kramer Show at most Planning Commission & BCC meetings. Heaven help us if he becomes a commissioner!

That's not really true lately, mis wah. David brags about attending over ??? County Commissioner meetings, but in the last two years, he's hardly attended any.

David is a broker and Realtor, and I think a big statement is made by the Emerald Coast Association of Realtors choosing to endorse Sarah Commander for commissioner rather than one of "their" own. You do the math.

Some info on Kramer in this thread also:
http://www.sowal.com/bb/local-gover...mer-running-county-commissioner-dist-4-a.html

By the way - if you get better informed you will find that Kramer is an Independent/No Party Affiliation & NOT a '(D)' as you publicly suppose. You might research first(before you type) and thereby keep your facts correct - or perhaps, just continue your obvious agenda and spray your semblance of facts

I'm confused. The Voter records still show you registered as a Democrat. It really doesn't matter to me, but have you really changed your registration and when?

Why you seem to be easliy confused or did you just forget to call 'Kramer' and ask him any questions for yourself? Perhaps speaking to him directly will help for some sense of peace of mind. And why do you suppose that 'he hasn't gotten started yet' - when you have not asked or spoken to him?

By the way - if you get better informed you will find that Kramer is an Independent/No Party Affiliation & NOT a '(D)' as you publicly suppose. You might research first(before you type) and thereby keep your facts correct - or perhaps, just continue your obvious agenda and spray your semblance of facts.

Respectfully we suggest that you call David Kramer with any of your questions.

Please, just call Kramer and ask him for yourself - he's quite easy to speak with
and you should try him at 850-267-3464/office or 850-585-8337/cell.

Campaign to Elect David Kramer

David, you are a registered Democrat. There are two ways to be a true Independent in the State of Florida. One is to register with the Independent Party of Florida. The other is to register with the third largest group, which is No Party Affiliation, or what I would consider true Independents. What you are doing, imho, is confusing voters because you are a registered Democrat using the system. What you have done is point out another weakness in the election laws in this State which hopefully will be corrected in this next legislative session. Unfortunately, every time they fix something, they usually end up breaking something else. But as it stands, the Department of State, Division of Elections, has said that there is nothing wrong with a candidate actively working to confuse voters, just so long as the little bitty disclaimer is correct.

By the way - if you get better informed you will find that Kramer is an Independent/No Party Affiliation & NOT a '(D)' as you publicly suppose. You might research first(before you type) and thereby keep your facts correct - or perhaps, just continue your obvious agenda and spray your semblance of facts

I'm confused. The Voter records still show you registered as a Democrat. It really doesn't matter to me, but have you really changed your registration and when?

They show that because he is a registered Democrat.

Really, other than to stir the pot, what makes a difference that he is a registered Democrat running as an Independent. I am a Republican who votes Independent of any and all parties. Example I will be voting Reublican, Democrat, and Independent. Oh and just so everyone is aware Wrobert is assisting Sara in her bid for reelection. The one thing I have been impressed with Sara about is she has stayed on topic. Unfortunately robert seems to be taking pointers from Rick Scott. As I have said, I will be voting for Sara in spite of your support for her.

I really don't care who supports whom and I really don't care what the party affiliation is in local elections, nor IMO, should anyone else.
The requirement of Floridians to declare a party in local elections is ludicrous. It is a stupid, useless requirement that does nothing but foment controversy that should not be present in a local election. You can call a county commissioner and speak directly to them and in doing so, you could care less about their party affiliation, you are only interested in their awareness or solution to a particular local problem.
It is no secret I strongly support Sara Comander and know she has done a great job overall as county commissioner. Do I agree with her all the time? No. She would not be a great commissioner if I did because she does her research on Walton County's problems and many times I, and many others, don't.
If you want a commissioner interested in progress, development and the good of the citizens of the county, vote for Sara Comander. If you want someone who will look to their own best benefit and that of business alone, IMO, vote for David Kramer.

Kramer has the best of all worlds. He is a registered Democrat who qualified to run under the No Party Affiliation label, then places Independent on his campaign materials, and when he speaks touts his prior membership on the Republican Executive Committee.

But he is still a registered Democrat. If he were truly independent he could have changed to NPA, as Crist did, when he went to qualify.

it says he is beholden to nobody

Conflicts of interest galore

My main concern is that Kramer will have many conflicts of interest - and that will lead to him either having to recuse himself from many decisions brought before the board OR him voting on issues that directly affect former/current clients, business associates, and his own projects.

Recently witnessed him in action, criticizing other citizens for trying to protect their own personal real estate interests. Seemed hypocritical to me.

Really, other than to stir the pot, what makes a difference that he is a registered Democrat running as an Independent. I am a Republican who votes Independent of any and all parties. Example I will be voting Reublican, Democrat, and Independent. Oh and just so everyone is aware Wrobert is assisting Sara in her bid for reelection. The one thing I have been impressed with Sara about is she has stayed on topic. Unfortunately robert seems to be taking pointers from Rick Scott. As I have said, I will be voting for Sara in spite of your support for her.

So you don't vote in the primaries?

I really don't care who supports whom and I really don't care what the party affiliation is in local elections, nor IMO, should anyone else.
The requirement of Floridians to declare a party in local elections is ludicrous. It is a stupid, useless requirement that does nothing but foment controversy that should not be present in a local election. You can call a county commissioner and speak directly to them and in doing so, you could care less about their party affiliation, you are only interested in their awareness or solution to a particular local problem.
It is no secret I strongly support Sara Comander and know she has done a great job overall as county commissioner. Do I agree with her all the time? No. She would not be a great commissioner if I did because she does her research on Walton County's problems and many times I, and many others, don't.
If you want a commissioner interested in progress, development and the good of the citizens of the county, vote for Sara Comander. If you want someone who will look to their own best benefit and that of business alone, IMO, vote for David Kramer.

Uh oh grandpa's got the mic.

Andy, the State of Florida is pretty big. We have enormous counties to the south. In fact there is one right here in North Florida that was the first to combine both a city and county government. In those larger counties you probably wouldn't be able to speak to a county commissioner by simply calling them. While many might think that simply doing away with political parties would work, it's simply mind boggling what a ballot would look like without primaries and political parties.

BTW, I'm a registered Democrat and I am voting for Sara Comander. The alternative is just to far out and bizarre.

(Folks I'll probably take a beating for this one.)

(Folks I'll probably take a beating for this one.)

No you won't. I'm Republican, but I refuse to be told who to vote for. Most of the time the Republican candidate reflects my concerns and values, but there have been, are, and will continue to be exceptions. But no way do I ever blindly darken a circle based on an (R), a (D) or an NPA, actual, rumored or otherwise.

(Folks I'll probably take a beating for this one.)

SWGB,

I am a registered Republican I changed from registered Democrat about 8 years ago mainly because there are very few Democrats that run in local elections. I will be voting for Sara Comander but I will also be voting for Alex Sink and a few others marked by the (D).

I disagree with you on many (maybe even most) subjects but who you pick to vote for should always be the person you believe is the best no matter the party affiliation.

SWGB, I have at times changed my party affiliation to be able to help a certain candidate in the primaries. Because we do not have open primaries I do have to weigh where my vote will mean the most, ie. voted for McCollum more to vote against Scott. Last election for Governor changed parties to vote for Rod Smith and when he lost voted for Governor Crist.

Might as well get this out there so that the facts can be known. Kramer is running what I find to be a very confusing campaign and he has not really gotten started yet.

Your very uninformed sir.