low speed vehicles rules?

We need to coordinate a group to work to have these carts banned. An ordinance or
whatever is necessary. This is NOT DISNEYWORLD. 30A is not a safe place for these
"carts". Our walking and bike paths were intended for exactly that - NOT MOTORIZED
"CARTS". I saw two teenagers and a couple of adults nearly run down a few people at
Seaside and Seagrove last weekend on these "carts". SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE !!

Passing an ordinance will solve the problem.

Enforcing existing rules would solve the problem. Carts are already not allowed on the paths.

Driving west on 30a near watersound / camp creek lake and saw a golf cart (not LSV ) going east on the bikepath. As no cars were around I stopped and told the driver that they were not allowed on the path which is clearly marked. I was rudely told to bugger off and mind my own business - such is the respect for the local laws exhibited by your typical tourist in my experience. It's not the vehicles but the mentality of those that rent them. The business owners say they are doing what is required of them so I guess the only answer is to have them banned. Unless the police get serious about cracking down on these people things are only going to get worse. No warnings only serious fines.

Golf carts have hit a new low - now they are driving down the path with their turn signal on!

Driving west on 30a near watersound / camp creek lake and saw a golf cart (not LSV ) going east on the bikepath. As no cars were around I stopped and told the driver that they were not allowed on the path which is clearly marked. I was rudely told to bugger off and mind my own business - such is the respect for the local laws exhibited by your typical tourist in my experience. It's not the vehicles but the mentality of those that rent them. The business owners say they are doing what is required of them so I guess the only answer is to have them banned. Unless the police get serious about cracking down on these people things are only going to get worse. No warnings only serious fines.

CONTACT WALTON COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO HAVE THESE BANNED ! They
take away what has historically made 30A what it is ... Only a matter of time before there is a serious,
fatal accident ...

Tell me, how many ordinances does our county enforce now? So many, many rules, ZERO enforcement!!!

Tell me, how many ordinances does our county enforce now? So many, many rules, ZERO enforcement!!!

Looks like someone is ready for summer to be over. It take s alittle stamina to live here.

What are you REALLY angry about?

After 11 years here I have seen it all. But I have not seen our county enforce much. And no, I am not angry. I am just stating the truth. Maybe the truth is making you angry but it's just the way it is here.

I find laying on the horn when they are driving 15 mph below the speed limit and laughing when they are tailgating runners and bikers are great stress relievers.
Just because we call out ahole behavior doesn't mean we are angry.

I think enforcement may be the answer as I really don't think anyone would be able to successfully get them banned!

Btw - the ones I saw behaving badly were also from classic rental.

CONTACT WALTON COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO HAVE THESE BANNED ! They
take away what has historically made 30A what it is ... Only a matter of time before there is a serious,
fatal accident ...

I have never seen a golf cart pulled over by an officer either to be given a ticket or to be warned.
As long as this ordinance isn't enforced by the law there's nothing that will change.
It's ashame the WCSO doesn't acknowledge how fatal it's going to be when a golf cart filled with people gets hit by a moving automobile. Unfornately Gulfair, I think that's when something will change

Ahhh..... I think we are missing a golden opportunity here. Ponder this:

1. Outlaw golf carts on 30-A

2. Require golf carts to use Hwy 98, between 4-5 PM.

3. What carnage! Touristas in golf carts doing 12 MPH in 65 MPH zones; locals in their landscape services 4-wheel drive trucks doing 70 MPH in 45 MPH zones.

4. The outcome would be predictable. Charles Darwin would be proud. Let the Deathmatch begin....

All, of course, in fun.....

Mello..... Pretty crass comment, there..... Crass, but funny! :roll:

The problem here in SUV nation may be the people complaining about the golf carts (rightfully so) are the same people letting their dogs run unleashed on the beach (and not cleaning up after them), stomping on the dunes. The focus needs to be on the Meth Labs...

Caby, sorry, but your logic trail eludes me. From SUVs and golf carts, to canine fecal matter, to crystal meth labs? Wow!

If you're suggesting dogs on meth should not drive SUVs and golf carts on 30A, I guess I'd have to agree with that......

One thing I like to do when I am there is ride my bike. It's nice to have the safe bike paths. The bike paths are not safe in Seaside. There are so many people, but at least these are people just not paying attention, only going walking speed. I generally just push my bike through Seaside. However, the problem I've had with these low speed vehicle things is not teens...it's adults. I was nearly hit TWICE by the same guy. I think he thought it was funny, given the fact that he was chuckling. It was one of those extra long ones, filled with people. I gave him a piece of my mind after the second time and headed towards the quiet paths toward Grayton. If I am on a bike an obeying street laws, then I expect a motorized vehicle to do the same.

Some people might not be aware that the striped area adjacent to a handicapped parking space is actually a legal part of the space - it is the loading and unloading area. Twice lately I have seen golf carts parked in these areas at the Blue Mountain beach access and at Seaside and several other areas around town.
I really wish WCSO would start writing tickets for this, for driving carts on the bike path, for driving non-street legal carts on 30A, and for numerous other violations. I agree with meowracer - motorized vehicles should obey the laws.

I think it's silly to allow these things on 30A. After all, it's not an enclosed golf-cart community. However, if they continue to be allowed and one of the reasons for that is a desire not to shut down business opportunities, why not make the solution another business opportunity? Let businesses bid for the right to enforce ordinances and collect fines on rule breakers. Between illegally parked LSVs, dogs on the beach, and littering someone should be able to make a living off of encouraging good behavior. Better living through fines.

I think it's silly to allow these things on 30A

Well, you have to ask, which things? My understanding is if they are street legal and have a Florida license plate, state law takes precedence and they are allowed on roads with a speed limit of 35 or less. If they are golf carts without license plates, then they are already not allowed on 30A and ought to be ticketed. And they are already not allowed on the bike path, so those ought to be ticketed too.
It sounds to me like what you are suggesting is that we outsource law enforcement.
I dunno about that. I can see a lot of potential conflicts there.
But I agree, fines are in order. Seems as though the fines ought to pay enough to fund one LEO who does nothing but enforce the issues you listed.
If people can't behave, make them pay.

My dad works for the City of Houston, working as a volunteer, writing tickets to illegally parked vehicles in handicapped spots. Any car without a tag/license, etc, or parked over the line, or in the marked spots next to the parking place (like the diagonal spots that motorcycles love to park in) gets a ticket. If these *vehicles* are parking illegally, or any vehicle for that matter, maybe SoWal has a program like that to allow citizens to write tickets. He had to go through an orientation, I think, but it was quick and he really enjoys his duty! I would love to have had some vehicle number to report the people who nearly hit me (and I'm fairly certain alcohol was involved.) It's a miracle that nobody has been seriously injured (that I know of) but these carts, or other cars, along 30A.

I would gladly donate time to write tickets.

Ticket pad, pen, and a digital camera to provide evidence of wrongdoing (in case it is questioned) and we are in business!

My understanding is if they are street legal and have a Florida license plate, state law takes precedence and they are allowed on roads with a speed limit of 35 or less.

The Florida law allowing LSV's also allows localities/municipalities to ban LSVs in the interests of safety on roads under their jurisdiction. That gives Walton County the authority to ban them completely from highway 30A if it wanted.

It sounds to me like what you are suggesting is that we outsource law enforcement.
I dunno about that. I can see a lot of potential conflicts there.
But I agree, fines are in order. Seems as though the fines ought to pay enough to fund one LEO who does nothing but enforce the issues you listed.

I don't care if it's a LEO or a private entity doing the ticketing. I'm not trying to knock law enforcement. I know they write tickets also, but with the volume of minor ordinance offenders increasing I think they could use some help.

I like meowracer's suggestion of volunteer ticketers. That would reduce some of those conflict of interest concerns.

The Florida law allowing LSV's also allows localities/municipalities to ban LSVs in the interests of safety on roads under their jurisdiction. That gives Walton County the authority to ban them completely from highway 30A if it wanted.

I did not know that, thanks.

I agree the SO could certainly use some help. I like meowracer's suggestion too.

I would write all of you a ticket for complaining!