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Bob Wells

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If you were short a million dollars because of a screw up, would you not expect budget cuts to compensate for it?

Danny Glidewell

Sure cuts are necessary, but, is it wise to cut the workers who are providing the service and making cuts that will harm the product ( education) instead of cutting administrative costs or reducing overhead in areas not directly related to the mission execution?  Apply those types of cuts to the fire service.  Would they be wise or would you favor them?  Also consider that a couple of these items will bring the district in violation of their contract with the teachers.  Would you accept a unilateral change to the fire contract?

Mike Jones

Word is that the WCSD forgot to budget for Seacoast High teachers and that is the reason for the shortfall. Oops - you mean we have to pay everyone on our payroll? :bang:

Misty

Banned

I think we should all re-cycle the garbage.

Vote Charlene Anderson! :thanks:

I think we should all re-cycle the garbage. 
 
Vote Charlene Anderson! :thanks:

[quote="Danny Glidewell, post: 811584"]Sure cuts are necessary, but, is it wise to cut the workers who are providing the service and making cuts that will harm the product ( education) instead of cutting administrative costs or reducing overhead in areas not directly related to the mission execution?  Apply those types of cuts to the fire service.  Would they be wise or would you favor them?  Also consider that a couple of these items will bring the district in violation of their contract with the teachers.  Would you accept a unilateral change to the fire contract?[/QUOTE]
I would think not with out some negotiations. I would be curious to know if any of those in management are also taking any type of hit? I also understand, as the labor force is the largest part of the budget, where is it you would suggest they cut that the saving could be achieved? I still support our teachers and support staff and would be interested in seeing what ideas for solutions they have. Unfortunately Danny you make it seem that this would not have happened if the votes had been different, but without solutions or options I think it is ridiculous to think there won't have to be a blended approach to this problem to fix it. I would also be curious to know if this may have been an ULP because those in management probably knew there was going to be a shortfall and seems to even have mentioned it a couple times about state mandated reserves.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Danny Glidewell">Sure cuts are necessary, but, is it wise to cut the workers who are providing the service and making cuts that will harm the product ( education) instead of cutting administrative costs or reducing overhead in areas not directly related to the mission execution? Apply those types of cuts to the fire service. Would they be wise or would you favor them? Also consider that a couple of these items will bring the district in violation of their contract with the teachers. Would you accept a unilateral change to the fire contract?</blockquote>I would think not with out some negotiations. I would be curious to know if any of those in management are also taking any type of hit? I also understand, as the labor force is the largest part of the budget, where is it you would suggest they cut that the saving could be achieved? I still support our teachers and support staff and would be interested in seeing what ideas for solutions they have. Unfortunately Danny you make it seem that this would not have happened if the votes had been different, but without solutions or options I think it is ridiculous to think there won&#039;t have to be a blended approach to this problem to fix it. I would also be curious to know if this may have been an ULP because those in management probably knew there was going to be a shortfall and seems to even have mentioned it a couple times about state mandated reserves.

[QUOTE][COLOR=#333333]3. Bus drivers will no longer be compensated for driving students to after-school events. Coaches/teachers will be required to drive for their trips.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Wouldn't this require teachers/coaches to be CDL certified?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="">3. Bus drivers will no longer be compensated for driving students to after-school events. Coaches/teachers will be required to drive for their trips.</blockquote> 
Wouldn&#039;t this require teachers/coaches to be CDL certified?

[quote="Misty, post: 811597"]Wouldn't this require teachers/coaches to be CDL certified?[/QUOTE]

Yes

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Misty">Wouldn&#039;t this require teachers/coaches to be CDL certified?</blockquote> 
Yes

[quote="Bob Wells, post: 811600"]Yes[/QUOTE]

Seems to me that's an opening for a whole nother bucket of worms.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Bob Wells">Yes</blockquote> 
Seems to me that&#039;s an opening for a whole nother bucket of worms.

I agree, that if a teacher is a sponsor for club or a coach for sports and they can't get licensed then what happens?

I agree, that if a teacher is a sponsor for club or a coach for sports and they can&#039;t get licensed then what happens?

[quote="Bob Wells, post: 811604"]I agree, that if a teacher is a sponsor for club or a coach for sports and they can't get licensed then what happens?[/QUOTE]

According to the law they can't even get behind the wheel of a bus without that certification let alone drive students to an event. 

Seems to me like a law-suit waiting for a place to happen.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Bob Wells">I agree, that if a teacher is a sponsor for club or a coach for sports and they can&#039;t get licensed then what happens?</blockquote> 
According to the law they can&#039;t even get behind the wheel of a bus without that certification let alone drive students to an event. 
 
Seems to me like a law-suit waiting for a place to happen.

I did not mean to imply that things would be different had the votes been different.  But I do not think it is a coincidence that the news was delivered right after the election.  I understand that the shortfall will require cuts and a "blended" approach.  But good leadership would dictate that those cuts begin in administration and that those are the first cuts announced.  Cutting the programs and those delivering the programs to the students should be the last cuts made, after all other alternatives have been exhausted.  And cuts which effect the contract must be negotiated to avoid a labor complaint and sanctions.  Just good business to make your workers partners, especially when they have not had a raise,  other than state-generated, in years and the shortfall is your fault, not theirs.

I did not mean to imply that things would be different had the votes been different.  But I do not think it is a coincidence that the news was delivered right after the election.  I understand that the shortfall will require cuts and a &quot;blended&quot; approach.  But good leadership would dictate that those cuts begin in administration and that those are the first cuts announced.  Cutting the programs and those delivering the programs to the students should be the last cuts made, after all other alternatives have been exhausted.  And cuts which effect the contract must be negotiated to avoid a labor complaint and sanctions.  Just good business to make your workers partners, especially when they have not had a raise,  other than state-generated, in years and the shortfall is your fault, not theirs.

Matt J

SWGB

I'm sure the newly elected board members will clear this right up.

I&#039;m sure the newly elected board members will clear this right up.

Jdarg

SoWal Expert

I think it's funny that this news wasn't shared before the election.  ;)

I think it&#039;s funny that this news wasn&#039;t shared before the election.  😉

m1a1mg

[quote="Bob Wells, post: 811579"]If you were short a million dollars because of a screw up, would you not expect budget cuts to compensate for it?[/QUOTE]
And teachers should give up planning time since the elected super can't manage the system? Remember that next time the budget cuts come to your neck of the woods Bob.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Bob Wells">If you were short a million dollars because of a screw up, would you not expect budget cuts to compensate for it?</blockquote>And teachers should give up planning time since the elected super can&#039;t manage the system? Remember that next time the budget cuts come to your neck of the woods Bob.

[quote="m1a1mg, post: 811619"]And teachers should give up planning time since the elected super can't manage the system? Remember that next time the budget cuts come to your neck of the woods Bob.[/QUOTE]

That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is a solution has to be found and from experience it is more palatable when both side work together to find the solution. I could suggest a solution that I might find acceptable but the rest of us would not. That is why I said I would like to see what the teachers could come up with. There are no easy solutions from my perspective and I think it is horrendous that the Superintendent and the School Board missed the screw up, but the fact is according to what they say, they are short. So without trying to go back through the budget process and trying to raise taxes I want to know what we cut and how it won't effect the education of the kids. 

I have been part of the negotiation process, on and off for the past 10 years and sometimes sacrifices are made and in the end, what you try to do is minimize the impact to the members. 

JDarg Politically speaking, by not saying it during the election cycle was to the no's benefit. I did not see it mentioned much on here or at the forums but I could have missed it. To me that would have been one of the reason for the push for a change. I still think you and your team did an awesome job. and Thanks for your effort.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="m1a1mg">And teachers should give up planning time since the elected super can&#039;t manage the system? Remember that next time the budget cuts come to your neck of the woods Bob.</blockquote> 
That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is a solution has to be found and from experience it is more palatable when both side work together to find the solution. I could suggest a solution that I might find acceptable but the rest of us would not. That is why I said I would like to see what the teachers could come up with. There are no easy solutions from my perspective and I think it is horrendous that the Superintendent and the School Board missed the screw up, but the fact is according to what they say, they are short. So without trying to go back through the budget process and trying to raise taxes I want to know what we cut and how it won&#039;t effect the education of the kids. 
 
I have been part of the negotiation process, on and off for the past 10 years and sometimes sacrifices are made and in the end, what you try to do is minimize the impact to the members. 
 
JDarg Politically speaking, by not saying it during the election cycle was to the no&#039;s benefit. I did not see it mentioned much on here or at the forums but I could have missed it. To me that would have been one of the reason for the push for a change. I still think you and your team did an awesome job. and Thanks for your effort.

DaleDalbey

[quote="Jdarg, post: 811618"]I think it's funny that this news wasn't shared before the election.  ;)[/QUOTE]

Not funny, sad.  I suspect mrs. Anderson thinks the teachers were behind the referendum and this is her way of punishing them.  Anyone else remember her escapades against her opponent after the last election? Anyone with a bad set of eyes could have seen this coming.  Of course it wasn't going to happen before the election. If it had maybe people would have been reminded of her shortcomings and sent a message that she and her politics are not wanted.   Time to begin recruiting a strong candidate to run against her.  Let's start a ABC political action committee now. Of course, ABC stands for Anybody But Carlene

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Jdarg">I think it&#039;s funny that this news wasn&#039;t shared before the election. 😉</blockquote> 
Not funny, sad. I suspect mrs. Anderson thinks the teachers were behind the referendum and this is her way of punishing them. Anyone else remember her escapades against her opponent after the last election? Anyone with a bad set of eyes could have seen this coming. Of course it wasn&#039;t going to happen before the election. If it had maybe people would have been reminded of her shortcomings and sent a message that she and her politics are not wanted. Time to begin recruiting a strong candidate to run against her. Let&#039;s start a ABC political action committee now. Of course, ABC stands for Anybody But Carlene

j p nettles

The queen has spoken. If she decides to run again she can add to her resume' that she graduated Suma cum laude from the Leona Helmsley School of Charm.

The queen has spoken. If she decides to run again she can add to her resume&#039; that she graduated Suma cum laude from the Leona Helmsley School of Charm.

[quote="j p nettles, post: 811628"]The queen has spoken. If she decides to run again she can add to her resume' that she graduated Suma cum laude from the Leona Helmsley School of Charm.[/QUOTE]

How funny.  I knew she reminded me someone.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="j p nettles">The queen has spoken. If she decides to run again she can add to her resume&#039; that she graduated Suma cum laude from the Leona Helmsley School of Charm.</blockquote> 
How funny. I knew she reminded me someone.

[quote="Bob Wells, post: 811624"]That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is a solution has to be found and from experience it is more palatable when both side work together to find the solution. I could suggest a solution that I might find acceptable but the rest of us would not. That is why I said I would like to see what the teachers could come up with. There are no easy solutions from my perspective and I think it is horrendous that the Superintendent and the School Board missed the screw up, but the fact is according to what they say, they are short. So without trying to go back through the budget process and trying to raise taxes I want to know what we cut and how it won't effect the education of the kids. 

I have been part of the negotiation process, on and off for the past 10 years and sometimes sacrifices are made and in the end, what you try to do is minimize the impact to the members. 
[/QUOTE]

Step one: The elected super who allowed an unqualified subordinate to take over a $100 M budget should forego her salary until the mess is cleaned up.

Step two: The paid school board that allowed this to happen under their noses should forego their salaries until the mess is cleaned up. 

The teachers did not make this mess. "Professional" (Haha) administrators made this mess, although they are given plenty of money that the super requests. There is no budget shortage. There is a budget incompetence and it's pure BS that anyone would think the teachers, that only got a raise after the governor gave it to them (And the Queen tried to give that to the janitors), should be asked to suffer more because elected good ole boys can't do their damn job!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Bob Wells">That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is a solution has to be found and from experience it is more palatable when both side work together to find the solution. I could suggest a solution that I might find acceptable but the rest of us would not. That is why I said I would like to see what the teachers could come up with. There are no easy solutions from my perspective and I think it is horrendous that the Superintendent and the School Board missed the screw up, but the fact is according to what they say, they are short. So without trying to go back through the budget process and trying to raise taxes I want to know what we cut and how it won&#039;t effect the education of the kids. 
 
I have been part of the negotiation process, on and off for the past 10 years and sometimes sacrifices are made and in the end, what you try to do is minimize the impact to the members.</blockquote> 
Step one: The elected super who allowed an unqualified subordinate to take over a $100 M budget should forego her salary until the mess is cleaned up. 
 
Step two: The paid school board that allowed this to happen under their noses should forego their salaries until the mess is cleaned up. 
 
The teachers did not make this mess. &quot;Professional&quot; (Haha) administrators made this mess, although they are given plenty of money that the super requests. There is no budget shortage. There is a budget incompetence and it&#039;s pure BS that anyone would think the teachers, that only got a raise after the governor gave it to them (And the Queen tried to give that to the janitors), should be asked to suffer more because elected good ole boys can&#039;t do their damn job!

The teachers were told this Thursday, district-wide, that effective immediately:
1.  No substitutes are allowed, teachers will be required to cover absent teacher's classes during duty/planning periods.
2.   All supplements are cut 10%
3.   Bus drivers will no longer be compensated for driving students to after-school events.  Coaches/teachers will be required to drive for their trips.
4.  Teachers will no longer receive per diem for out-of-town training.

Budget cuts were the explanation given.

The teachers were told this Thursday, district-wide, that effective immediately: 
1. No substitutes are allowed, teachers will be required to cover absent teacher&#039;s classes during duty/planning periods. 
2. All supplements are cut 10% 
3. Bus drivers will no longer be compensated for driving students to after-school events. Coaches/teachers will be required to drive for their trips. 
4. Teachers will no longer receive per diem for out-of-town training. 
 
Budget cuts were the explanation given.

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