This graphic included all returns received thru 8-7-215.
The '% No" is the percentage of the total easements within a "reach" and the "% No of Returns" is the percentage of No's for those actually returned.
If you are interested in how the "easement process" on the HSDR (Beach Renourishment) project is moving below you will find the totals, percentages and remaining easements in the process.
This graphic included all returns received thru 8-7-215.
The '% No" is the percentage of the total easements within a "reach" and the "% No of Returns" is the percentage of No's for those actually returned.
This graphic included all returns received thru 8-7-215.
The '% No" is the percentage of the total easements within a "reach" and the "% No of Returns" is the percentage of No's for those actually returned.
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Beach Fanatic
This is what I was referring to when I said the project was a dead duck. Whatever the relative merits are/are not, the totals for no cannot be overcome.
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This is what I was referring to when I said the project was a dead duck. Whatever the relative merits are/are not, the totals for no cannot be overcome.
If you think this one is a "dead duck". You should see the poll on incorporation that was run 2 weeks ago.
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
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It is really too bad that those who have recently bought have no idea of what transpired before them regarding help for the beaches. They are so caught up with their wealth and property rights they have no conception of what can and might happen to their precious property if Mother Nature does not receive help. Just answer me one question. What "Private Property" owners can I sue the next time a Dennis comes along and destroys my property that could have been protected with beach renourishment? It is too bad we have so many stupid people suddenly moving into SoWal.
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It is really too bad that those who have recently bought have no idea of what transpired before them regarding help for the beaches. They are so caught up with their wealth and property rights they have no conception of what can and might happen to their precious property if Mother Nature does not receive help. Just answer me one question. What "Private Property" owners can I sue the next time a Dennis comes along and destroys my property that could have been protected with beach renourishment? It is too bad we have so many stupid people suddenly moving into SoWal.
Has there been a campaign by lawyers or others scaring people off this issue? In 2006, after storms, gulf front owners were screaming for beach nourishment. I agree with you Andy that the next storm that comes along of any size will wipe out half the gulf front properties and leave a 9 or 10 figure cleanup bill of debris. Half of it will be seawall parts.
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if you think this one is a "dead duck". You should see the poll on incorporation that was run 2 weeks ago.
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... It's learning to adjust your sails !
lol!
Show us the poll??
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I have heard many reasons why there should not be any re-nourishment, but the one thing I have not heard is who is supposed to pay for repairing the damage from a hurricane. You can google pictures of the aftermath of Eloise, Opal, Ivan and others if you are interested. And as Andy points out, even small storms can be devastating in certain areas.
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NOTE: These were the poll questions. Respondents - 784 registered voters in precincts 510,520,530,540.
Q1. In general, do you think that things in South Walton are headed in the right direction, or have they gotten off on the wrong track? For right direction, press 1 For wrong track, press 2 If you don’t know, or don’t want to answer, press 3
Q2. Thinking about your overall happiness and satisfaction with living in South Walton county, would you say that you are: Very happy living here, press 1 Happy living here, press 2 Neither happy nor unhappy living here, press 3 Unhappy living here, press 4 Very unhappy living here, press 5
Q3. Given the way things are right now, do you think that South Walton County will be a good place for people to live in 10 years? If Yes, press 1 If No, press 2 If Unsure, press 3
Q4. How responsive do you think the five-member Walton County Board of County Commissioners, as a whole, is to the needs of residents of South Walton County? For very responsive, press 1 For responsive enough, press 2 For not responsive enough, press 3 For not at all responsive, press 4
Q5. In thinking about the taxes that you pay to Walton County, including sales and property taxes, would you say that Walton County taxes are: For too low, press 1 For about right, press 2 For too high, press 3
Q6. Now, we want to get your opinion about a new idea that some community leaders in South Walton are proposing. Some people think that South Walton County should become its own city or town, byincorporating area south of the bay. What is your level of support for this idea? If you support this idea, press 1 If you oppose this idea, press 2 If you are unsure about this idea, press 3
Q7. If you were asked to vote today on whether to incorporate a city in South Walton County, would you vote YES or NO. If YES, press 1 If NO, press 2
Q8. Now, we just need some basic demographic information to complete this survey. If you are: Between the ages of 18 and 25, press 1 Between the ages of 26 and 35, press 2 Between the ages of 36 and 45, press 3 Between the ages of 46 and 55, press 4 Between the ages of 56 and 65, press 5 Between the ages of 66 and 75, press 6 Over the age of 75, press 7
Q9. When it comes to politics, would you describe yourself as: Very conservative, press 1 Conservative, press 2 Moderate, press 3 Liberal or progressive, press 4 Very liberal or progressive, press 5
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
Q1. In general, do you think that things in South Walton are headed in the right direction, or have they gotten off on the wrong track? For right direction, press 1 For wrong track, press 2 If you don’t know, or don’t want to answer, press 3
Q2. Thinking about your overall happiness and satisfaction with living in South Walton county, would you say that you are: Very happy living here, press 1 Happy living here, press 2 Neither happy nor unhappy living here, press 3 Unhappy living here, press 4 Very unhappy living here, press 5
Q3. Given the way things are right now, do you think that South Walton County will be a good place for people to live in 10 years? If Yes, press 1 If No, press 2 If Unsure, press 3
Q4. How responsive do you think the five-member Walton County Board of County Commissioners, as a whole, is to the needs of residents of South Walton County? For very responsive, press 1 For responsive enough, press 2 For not responsive enough, press 3 For not at all responsive, press 4
Q5. In thinking about the taxes that you pay to Walton County, including sales and property taxes, would you say that Walton County taxes are: For too low, press 1 For about right, press 2 For too high, press 3
Q6. Now, we want to get your opinion about a new idea that some community leaders in South Walton are proposing. Some people think that South Walton County should become its own city or town, byincorporating area south of the bay. What is your level of support for this idea? If you support this idea, press 1 If you oppose this idea, press 2 If you are unsure about this idea, press 3
Q7. If you were asked to vote today on whether to incorporate a city in South Walton County, would you vote YES or NO. If YES, press 1 If NO, press 2
Q8. Now, we just need some basic demographic information to complete this survey. If you are: Between the ages of 18 and 25, press 1 Between the ages of 26 and 35, press 2 Between the ages of 36 and 45, press 3 Between the ages of 46 and 55, press 4 Between the ages of 56 and 65, press 5 Between the ages of 66 and 75, press 6 Over the age of 75, press 7
Q9. When it comes to politics, would you describe yourself as: Very conservative, press 1 Conservative, press 2 Moderate, press 3 Liberal or progressive, press 4 Very liberal or progressive, press 5
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
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NOTE: These were the poll questions. Respondents - 784 registered voters in precincts 810,820,830,840 Q1. In general, do you think that things in South Walton are headed in the right direction, or have they gotten off on the wrong track? For right direction, press 1 For wrong track, press 2 If you don’t know, or don’t want to answer, press 3 Q2. Thinking about your overall happiness and satisfaction with living in South Walton county, would you say that you are: Very happy living here, press 1 Happy living here, press 2 Neither happy nor unhappy living here, press 3 Unhappy living here, press 4 Very unhappy living here, press 5 Q3. Given the way things are right now, do you think that South Walton County will be a good place for people to live in 10 years? If Yes, press 1 If No, press 2 If Unsure, press 3 Q4. How responsive do you think the five-member Walton County Board of County Commissioners, as a whole, is to the needs of residents of South Walton County? For very responsive, press 1 For responsive enough, press 2 For not responsive enough, press 3 For not at all responsive, press 4 Q5. In thinking about the taxes that you pay to Walton County, including sales and property taxes, would you say that Walton County taxes are: For too low, press 1 For about right, press 2 For too high, press 3 Q6. Now, we want to get your opinion about a new idea that some community leaders in South Walton are proposing. Some people think that South Walton County should become its own city or town, byincorporating area south of the bay. What is your level of support for this idea? If you support this idea, press 1 If you oppose this idea, press 2 If you are unsure about this idea, press 3 Q7. If you were asked to vote today on whether to incorporate a city in South Walton County, would you vote YES or NO. If YES, press 1 If NO, press 2 Q8. Now, we just need some basic demographic information to complete this survey. If you are: Between the ages of 18 and 25, press 1 Between the ages of 26 and 35, press 2 Between the ages of 36 and 45, press 3 Between the ages of 46 and 55, press 4 Between the ages of 56 and 65, press 5 Between the ages of 66 and 75, press 6 Over the age of 75, press 7 Q9. When it comes to politics, would you describe yourself as: Very conservative, press 1 Conservative, press 2 Moderate, press 3 Liberal or progressive, press 4 Very liberal or progressive, press 5 Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !missed the renourishment question
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That question was polled in April.
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
SoWal Insider
Are you going to post the results of the poll?
Beach FanaticAuthor
With all of the "cross tabs" its 73 pages long. I'll pull out the graphics on the "incorporation questions" and post them later tonight. Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
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With all of the cross tabs its 73 pages long.
I'll pull out the graphics on the "incorporation questions" and post them later tonight.
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
Beach FanaticAuthor
With all of the cross tabs its 73 pages long.
I'll pull out the graphics on the "incorporation questions" and post them later tonight.
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
SoWal Insider
I guess the answers are blowing in the wind...?
Beach FanaticAuthor
I guess the answers are blowing in the wind...?
I told you I would post them later tonight !!!
If that's not acceptable then I guess they are blowing in the wind.
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
SoWal Insider
My poll says fifty percent of dumb jokes get irate responses...
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These are the two direct incorporation questions.
These are the results within the 784 responses not broken down by Precinct or Age
These are the results within the 784 responses not broken down by Precinct or Age
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Beach Fanatic
Bob - can you tell us where the respondents live?
I'm not surprised that a question phrased as "incorporating all of south walton south of the bay" gets lots of negatives. Sandestin, Miramar Beach I would expect to be negative. Probably a few other areas also.
Not a very good question. Most people are going to respond no to this because it raises many questions that need consideration. If I'm unsure about an issue that is complicated, I am going to answer no until I know more.
I'm not surprised that a question phrased as "incorporating all of south walton south of the bay" gets lots of negatives. Sandestin, Miramar Beach I would expect to be negative. Probably a few other areas also.
Some people think that South Walton County should become its own city or town, by incorporating area south of the bay. What is your level of support for this idea? If you support this idea, press 1 If you oppose this idea, press 2 If you are unsure about this idea, press 3
Q7. If you were asked to vote today on whether to incorporate a city in South Walton County, would you vote YES or NO.
Not a very good question. Most people are going to respond no to this because it raises many questions that need consideration. If I'm unsure about an issue that is complicated, I am going to answer no until I know more.
Beach Fanatic
I did not think the majority would favor incorporation due to the threat of added taxes, but I am surprised by the margin.
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There are 18029 registered voters in South Walton's four precincts.
Precinct 510 (Miramar Beach) has 44.4% of the registered voters
Precinct 520 (Santa Rosa Beach) has 35.0% of the registered voters
Precinct 530 (Point Washington) has 16.8% of the registered voters
precinct 540 (Rosemary Beach) has 8.5% of the registered voters.
The polling company called registered voters in each of those precincts until the completed calls within that precinct matched the % of voters.
The support for incorporation increased in each precinct east of the Miramar Beach Precinct.
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
Precinct 510 (Miramar Beach) has 44.4% of the registered voters
Precinct 520 (Santa Rosa Beach) has 35.0% of the registered voters
Precinct 530 (Point Washington) has 16.8% of the registered voters
precinct 540 (Rosemary Beach) has 8.5% of the registered voters.
The polling company called registered voters in each of those precincts until the completed calls within that precinct matched the % of voters.
The support for incorporation increased in each precinct east of the Miramar Beach Precinct.
Life isn't about waiting for the winds to change ...... it's learning to Adjust Your Sails !
SoWal Insider
I'm pretty sure most of people thinking about incorporation weren't picturing Miramar being included. Seems that would skew the results considerable higher in the 30-A corridor.
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Danny you know as well as I do that one POLL does not necessarily indicate the final outcome.
This poll was run to establish a baseline. This issue will be polled ar least two more times this year.
The "Incorporation Study" is to be delivered this month sometime and it is my understanding that the group driving this will have multiple public meeting to explain what the study shows in therms of services, costs and options available to develop the plan to pose to the legislature and the voters.
This poll only shows where the voters are Today prior to the nuts and bolts being revealed.
Question 5 - The question on "taxes" is a major hurdle to be answered as 84.5 % said taxes were to high now.
This poll was run to establish a baseline. This issue will be polled ar least two more times this year.
The "Incorporation Study" is to be delivered this month sometime and it is my understanding that the group driving this will have multiple public meeting to explain what the study shows in therms of services, costs and options available to develop the plan to pose to the legislature and the voters.
This poll only shows where the voters are Today prior to the nuts and bolts being revealed.
Question 5 - The question on "taxes" is a major hurdle to be answered as 84.5 % said taxes were to high now.
Beach Fanatic
I know opinion moves as people focus. But I would have thought the "cool" factor and mostly pro discussion in the media would have driven the Yes votes higher right now. Apparently taxes is the issue that is driving the response.
Re-nourishment is a good example of how opinion forms. In spite of huge efforts to convince the public that it is a great thing, opinion swung more and more negative.
Public meetings are a hard way to sell the masses. Bob, you know how poor attendance usually is.
Re-nourishment is a good example of how opinion forms. In spite of huge efforts to convince the public that it is a great thing, opinion swung more and more negative.
Public meetings are a hard way to sell the masses. Bob, you know how poor attendance usually is.
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