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108Beach Fanatic
Honesty. Infrastructure. Jobs.
I am not inspired. If you want people to be honest maybe start with a mirror.
So far all I know is more about who you are against than who you are and what you want. Hopefully you will add a lot more info to your website about your issues and your candidates of choice.
Our Generation Walton County
I am not inspired. If you want people to be honest maybe start with a mirror.
So far all I know is more about who you are against than who you are and what you want. Hopefully you will add a lot more info to your website about your issues and your candidates of choice.
Our Generation Walton County
We are a group of concerned citizens who are fighting for a more prosperous Walton County. This means an open and honest government, better roads and bridges, and more jobs.
If we want Walton County to lead the way in the panhandle, we can no longer accept the go-along-to-get-along status quo from our county government. We must demand accountability.
Together, we can make Walton County one of the premiere places in Florida to raise a family, start a business, or visit on vacation.
Beach Fanatic
Pretty generic, kind of like something a slick politician would use...
Beach Fanatic
Whether you agree with these men or not is not the issue. This sort of half-truth filled attack is unproductive and unfair. Like these guys or not, both of them have served the public honorably for many years and don't deserve this. If you disagree with them on the issues fine, but attack them on the issues alone.
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Whether you agree with these men or not is not the issue. This sort of half-truth filled attack is unproductive and unfair. Like these guys or not, both of them have served the public honorably for many years and don't deserve this. If you disagree with them on the issues fine, but attack them on the issues alone.
Danny, I don't agree with a group of people hiding in the shadows, calling themselves concerned citizens taking out this ad!! I think they should be loud and proud especially if they want to be respected as a LOCAL concerned citizens group.
However, honesty & integrity should be the very core of our government and I believe that the people have every right to know the good, the bad, and the ugly. There is truth to the allegations made against Chapman regarding his son (special favors) and there is allot truth to the FDLE statement. In fairness, he wasn't the only cop in this county who fudged certification requirements but hopefully he is the last. People's lives depend on it! I don't know his net worth then or now but I also don't know of a single ex-politician ever elected to the BCC who hasn't increased his net worth after being elected but its why this county keeps re-cycling and is a prime example of what money and influence can buy including, elections. The same is true regarding the ad on Imfield. I did not know he was a liberal though.
I just had a very lengthy conversation with a mutual friend/acquaintance of ours Danny and Suzanne Harris was part of that conversation and I'm going to repeat parts of the conversation as an analogy of how flawed our thinking is when it comes to politics. I recognize that there are people that despise Ms. Harris. I recognize that some people will stop at nothing to destroy her, I know what those lawsuits cost the taxpayers but the sad truth is that those law suits would not have existed if we had OPEN, HONEST, GOVERNMENT, OPERATING IN THE SUNSHINE!
I also recognize that people don't like her because they believe she has anger issues. Back in the day, you will agree that I too had anger issues on more than a few occasions when I attended BCC meetings because we all want the same thing that Suzanne unfortunately had to SUE the County to obtain. If I had the money back then or Matt Gatez on my side, I'd have been just as hated and probably would have ended up dead. My point in all this is, that remaining silent isn't working for us and having to go to the polls and vote is polarizing us because people are not making INFORMED decisions. We have a right to know the history of the people who want us to elect them to positions of power, that are making decisions that impact our lives and if that means talking about a "good ole boys" skeletons then so be it. Chances are if a candidate has compromised his own morals and ethics in his day to day life there is nothing to stop him or her from compromising it in ours!
Anyway, the jest of my conversation with out mutual friend/acquaintance at least softened hi/her attitude (he/she may still dislike Ms Harris) but I think he/she has a better understanding of her motives and that she is a PRIVATE Citizen. Her character, her attitude and her morals aren't an issue to anyone except those who want to continue the way things have always been. That's GOT to CHANGE! We can't continue down this path.
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There are lots of people asking questions now about the Our Generation Facebook Page myself included. I noticed that one commentor said something about looking at WZEP and the Daily News for help to find out who this PAC is and what they are really about. I don't depend on WZEP for much anymore except re-printed news stories from some other source but I still like Tom McLaughlin with the Daily News and I think if enough of us voice our concerns he may look into it and we might get some answers and not just the generic stuff printed on that page.
Please call Tom McLaughlin 850-315-4435 Thanks!
Please call Tom McLaughlin 850-315-4435 Thanks!
Beach Lover
Based on the address on recent political mailers I've received, Our Generation is a professional lobbying firm in Washington.
Not sure why D.C. hired guns would be interested in interfering in a county election in Florida, unless they own beachfront property or know people who do......
Not sure why D.C. hired guns would be interested in interfering in a county election in Florida, unless they own beachfront property or know people who do......
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Based on the address on recent political mailers I've received, Our Generation is a professional lobbying firm in Washington.
Not sure why D.C. hired guns would be interested in interfering in a county election in Florida, unless they own beachfront property or know people who do......
Just throwing this out here...Mike Huckabee owns beachfront and also knows several people who do. He also knows the "hired guns" and has resources both from wealthy beachfront owners and his own connections.It is being widely rumored that the "local concerned citizen group" are in fact beachfront property owners OPPOSED to customary use and want the beaches private.
I also think there is allot of smoke and mirrors and certain candidates are not being forthright with their campaign Q&A's. I also believe there are a couple "good ole boys" in the mix.
Beach Fanatic
Something tells me that if The Governor was involved in local politics, he wouldn't be shy about it.
Next time I see him I'll ask.
Next time I see him I'll ask.
Beach Fanatic
This really isn't about whether or not you like the Bills or not. Nor does it matter whether you support any other candidate or not. This type of mudslinging draws attention away from the issues that are important to the growth of Walton County and bettering the way of life for our citizens. And it just does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about any group that is willing to skirt the rules and hide behind proxies and shell organizations. I still want to know what they represent and what they want because I must admit my imagination is running wild trying to figure it out.
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Something tells me that if The Governor was involved in local politics, he wouldn't be shy about it.
Next time I see him I'll ask.
I think you'll get the same answer people asking questions about Our Generation get when asked who the concerned citizens are....something to the effect of roads, bridges and infrastructure or you will be met with stony silence and looked at like you've lost your mind because you expect a genuine answer that isn't loaded with political doublespeak and/or other BS..
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This really isn't about whether or not you like the Bills or not. Nor does it matter whether you support any other candidate or not.You're right Danny! Dishonesty to get yourself elected is ugly and misleading regardless of what their names are...these 2 just happen to be named "Bill".
Beach Fanatic
You're right Danny! Dishonesty to get yourself elected is ugly and misleading regardless of what their names are...these 2 just happen to be named "Bill".{cough}Hillary{cough}
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Something tells me that if The Governor was involved in local politics, he wouldn't be shy about it.
Next time I see him I'll ask.
By the way...he hasn't been shy about publicly endorsing Ms. Skipper. I'll grant you that it doesn't appear he contributed anything financially but don't delude yourself that a public endorsement is not "involvement".
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Beach Fanatic
He has contributed to Ms Nipper monetarily as is his right. He is a very popular man so either is a big help.
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He has contributed to Ms Nipper monetarily as is his right. He is a very popular man so either is a big help.
I had forgotten about Nipper so, no argument there. It also speaks volumes to his involvement in Walton County politics.
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I have a confession to make.
Several nights ago I sent a message to Rhonda Skipper (telling her I saw that she had liked the page) voicing my concern about Our Generation's FB page that myself and many others believe is a PAC, saying that they are NOT from Walton County (albeit there many well be some local involvement) and that it just isn't sitting right with folks that they have spent an enormous amount of money on ads supporting certain Candidates and that according to at least one of them (by his own admission) he has no idea where these gifts were coming from and that no one seems to know ANY locals connected to it.
I also expressed that I felt it was a shady group at best and asked her what she knew about them. Ms. Skipper asked me to wait so she could go look and came back a couple minutes later and said that when she originally liked the page she wasn't aware of what it was about or anything about the group, that the flag image got her attention and she thought nothing of liking the page. Anyone who knows Rhonda Skipper knows she is all about the flag and literally drapes herself in red, white and blue.
I also said that it looked sketchy to be associated with a group if she knew nothing about them which she admitted was true but said she had not had the time to really sit down and look at it closer. She thanked me for bringing my concerns to her, said she should pay closer attention and promptly unliked the page. I would have supported her regardless because she has done a GREAT job as tax collector and will continue to do so going forward.
Thank you Ms. Skipper for listening to my concerns and for dissociating yourself from what many believe is just a downright shady group! I recognize that you are just as free as any of us to support whomever or whatever group you choose and while it wasn't a deal breaker for me to vote for you regardless, it could have become an issue with your opposition to be used against you in Aug. Best of luck to you!
Several nights ago I sent a message to Rhonda Skipper (telling her I saw that she had liked the page) voicing my concern about Our Generation's FB page that myself and many others believe is a PAC, saying that they are NOT from Walton County (albeit there many well be some local involvement) and that it just isn't sitting right with folks that they have spent an enormous amount of money on ads supporting certain Candidates and that according to at least one of them (by his own admission) he has no idea where these gifts were coming from and that no one seems to know ANY locals connected to it.
I also expressed that I felt it was a shady group at best and asked her what she knew about them. Ms. Skipper asked me to wait so she could go look and came back a couple minutes later and said that when she originally liked the page she wasn't aware of what it was about or anything about the group, that the flag image got her attention and she thought nothing of liking the page. Anyone who knows Rhonda Skipper knows she is all about the flag and literally drapes herself in red, white and blue.
I also said that it looked sketchy to be associated with a group if she knew nothing about them which she admitted was true but said she had not had the time to really sit down and look at it closer. She thanked me for bringing my concerns to her, said she should pay closer attention and promptly unliked the page. I would have supported her regardless because she has done a GREAT job as tax collector and will continue to do so going forward.
Thank you Ms. Skipper for listening to my concerns and for dissociating yourself from what many believe is just a downright shady group! I recognize that you are just as free as any of us to support whomever or whatever group you choose and while it wasn't a deal breaker for me to vote for you regardless, it could have become an issue with your opposition to be used against you in Aug. Best of luck to you!
Beach Lover
My hunch is the 1% who has bought a lot of property here recently has decided to flex their dollars.
While the residents are busy worried about parking and hotels, and wrenching control from NoWal, the goose is being gutted, cleaned and cooked.
Say goodbye to public beaches.
While the residents are busy worried about parking and hotels, and wrenching control from NoWal, the goose is being gutted, cleaned and cooked.
Say goodbye to public beaches.
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My hunch is the 1% who has bought a lot of property here recently has decided to flex their dollars.
While the residents are busy worried about parking and hotels, and wrenching control from NoWal, the goose is being gutted, cleaned and cooked.
Say goodbye to public beaches.
I've said for a loooooooong time on this board there was a movement afoot from folks in SoWal (not all, but many) to privatize the beaches. I was pretty much laughed at and ridiculed for it.
I have also said I suspected that I many of the folks who joined the visioning group on FB and allowed "members only" were a part of that movement.
Beach Lover
Whether you agree with these men or not is not the issue. This sort of half-truth filled attack is unproductive and unfair. Like these guys or not, both of them have served the public honorably for many years and don't deserve this. If you disagree with them on the issues fine, but attack them on the issues alone.
I'm in disagreement with you Danny, these men deserved to have the truth told on them. Bill Chapman was raised under the crooked Quinn days and was his yes man. If he cheated on standards and though his family was above "regular" procedures everybody else follows, that is the exact problem Walton county faces today. Don't follow the rules and look the other way for certain people. That ad gets to the heart of the matter, INTEGRITY.
As for Imfeld, it would have been better if it had pointed out not only the 600k he didn't collect, but the numerous letters of credit and construction bonds that he failed to brief the BCC on for years that expired before compliance and left the BCC and taxpayers stuck with millions in problems the developers and bonds should have paid for. He has simply took no action on all the out of compliance neighborhoods and lawsuits because most can be traced back to the letters of credit and bonds he let expire. He needs to go...recycled garbage. I am thankful for this PAC combating this local dirty money.
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. I am thankful for this PAC combating this local dirty money.
I don't appreciate the PAC at all! If they were doing this openly and honestly instead of hiding like cowards behind some group out of Washington they would have had me at HELLO!
The fact is though, there is truth in what they are saying! Sadly, many of us have screamed about this bullshit for years and it got us no where except laughed at and ridiculed....mostly because that's what politicians do to discredit the naysayers.
Beach Fanatic
The thing that ruined the Bills ad for me was the accusation about Chapman's net worth, as if getting elected to the BCC had something to do with it.
BCC salary, yes. He also received Federal retirement and apparently took his FRS payout in a lump sum. All perfectly legal and proper, and on his financial statement for all to see. But the fact that this organization threw a financial insinuation that is way off base pretty much ruined anything this group puts out, at least to me.
BCC salary, yes. He also received Federal retirement and apparently took his FRS payout in a lump sum. All perfectly legal and proper, and on his financial statement for all to see. But the fact that this organization threw a financial insinuation that is way off base pretty much ruined anything this group puts out, at least to me.
Beach Fanatic
I understand yesterday Bill Imfeld told Bob Hudson before the budget meeting that he thought Don Riley or myself were involved. I have NEVER been one to hide, I say exactly what I think. When Don Riley did not like the way Bill treated citizens when he was the chairman, banging his gavel at everyone he took out a half page add saying Imfeld has to go. He did not hide behind any fake name or group. To insult the Goveronr by suggesting it is him is beyond belief. Are the ads bad, well if the truth hurts then I guess they are bad but why should the people not know what the candidates have done if these facts are true. Could be the group that has been trying to control the county for years is doing this to make people mad so they will not vote for 2 good people who have nothing to do with this.
If none of these facts were true you would not get mad you would just counter with the facts that show people they are not true. Last I remember money is missing, Chapman did get his son off and what I heard was he called a judge late one night to come so his son did not have to spend a night in jail. If none of this is true it simple just tell everyone what really did happen.
I just heard Scott Brannon is paying to have a poll run so may be he will post his results soon.
If none of these facts were true you would not get mad you would just counter with the facts that show people they are not true. Last I remember money is missing, Chapman did get his son off and what I heard was he called a judge late one night to come so his son did not have to spend a night in jail. If none of this is true it simple just tell everyone what really did happen.
I just heard Scott Brannon is paying to have a poll run so may be he will post his results soon.
Beach Fanatic
I don't think either Bill would object to the whole truth being told. But innuendo and half truths are not fair. The statements about Imfeld were particularly onerous. Imfeld might be many things but tax and spend liberal isn't one of them. I have endorsed no one and have not ruled out any candidate in these races. But I do want a fair playing field and I want to hear what the candidates believe about the issues instead of fighting off half-truths and outright untruths.
Beach Fanatic
I also think whoever is behind this has all of us chasing our tails and blaming one another for being responsible for this stuff and are keeping us from having meaningful discussions about the real issues. I want to know who it is and what they are up to, but I will not drive myself crazy about it.
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The thing that ruined the Bills ad for me was the accusation about Chapman's net worth, as if getting elected to the BCC had something to do with it.
BCC salary, yes. He also received Federal retirement and apparently took his FRS payout in a lump sum. All perfectly legal and proper, and on his financial statement for all to see. But the fact that this organization threw a financial insinuation that is way off base pretty much ruined anything this group puts out, at least to me.
I did not and do not know anything about his net worth. I have issues with the fact the ads are not entirely accurate but there is some truth to them! There are more accusations flying too about Imfield. WZEP is running some really acidic commentary on their station. AGAIN, some of them true some of them very misleading! I don't have issues with the truth about Imfield but I have ALLOT of issues with the folks doing this hiding in the shadows.
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