Walton County has developed a short survey regarding the potential construction of a public fishing pier in the Gulf of Mexico.
This link will be active until July 13th.
Click Here to Take the Survey Potential Walton County Fishing Pier Survey
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Beach Fanatic
No!!!! There is a fishing Pier in FT Walton OR PCB. Fishing piers make it even more difficult on our endangered nesting sea turtles. So many injuries caused by hooks etc.
Beach Lover
No!!!! There is a fishing Pier in FT Walton OR PCB. Fishing piers make it even more difficult on our endangered nesting sea turtles. So many injuries caused by hooks etc.Those elitist SoWal turtles would only get hooked to use that against the poor poor folks in Defuniak Springs who would never get a chance to fish without a pier for the unwashed masses!
Beach Fanatic
No!!!! There is a fishing Pier in FT Walton OR PCB. Fishing piers make it even more difficult on our endangered nesting sea turtles. So many injuries caused by hooks etc.The reality is fishing piers do not hurt sea turtles any more than building on the dunes or any beach activity. A fishing pier is not just for people who fish. Most people who visit a fishing pier are from all economic classes.
What is interesting about us humans is that we SAY we want diversity and inclusion but then we DO things that are really discriminating and excluding like NO to the fishing piers because of the type of people that it may bring. So far the arguments against the fishing pier seem to indicate that it is not about being an eyesore, or cost, or sea turtles, or need or anything other than old fashioned fear of something. It is that something that bothers me because it may be a symptom of a "social class" society.
Beach Fanatic
The reality is fishing piers do not hurt sea turtles any more than building on the dunes or any beach activity. A fishing pier is not just for people who fish. Most people who visit a fishing pier are from all economic classes.
What is interesting about us humans is that we SAY we want diversity and inclusion but then we DO things that are really discriminating and excluding like NO to the fishing piers because of the type of people that it may bring. So far the arguments against the fishing pier seem to indicate that it is not about being an eyesore, or cost, or sea turtles, or need or anything other than old fashioned fear of something. It is that something that bothers me because it may be a symptom of a "social class"
I haven't read all the post, but until they fix the stuff that is broken I am opposed to the fishing pier. Got nothing to do with social class for me. I do also think it will be an eyesore and I think parking would get even worse.
Beach Fanatic
The reality is fishing piers do not hurt sea turtles any more than building on the dunes or any beach activity. A fishing pier is not just for people who fish. Most people who visit a fishing pier are from all economic classes.You're projecting dude. It's about not wanting to Frack up things any further.
What is interesting about us humans is that we SAY we want diversity and inclusion but then we DO things that are really discriminating and excluding like NO to the fishing piers because of the type of people that it may bring. So far the arguments against the fishing pier seem to indicate that it is not about being an eyesore, or cost, or sea turtles, or need or anything other than old fashioned fear of something. It is that something that bothers me because it may be a symptom of a "social class" society.
Beach Fanatic
We are already "fracked"! There are hardly any views left along Hwy 30A of the gulf. Please explain how a fishing pier fracks anything. A fishing pier will give the people access to views and fishing that otherwise may never be enjoyed. If I am projecting anything it is that we are becoming a class based society and only the upper class has opportunity for offshore fishing or stunning views that would be provided by a fishing pier. I understand that there are areas of need that should be addressed first but why not just be honest about it. There are thousands of fishing piers built out into the ocean that are assets to their community. The arguments against seem to be coming from a place of bias and prejudice otherwise explain why you believe a fishing pier does not fit into this community visually when there are so many buildings completely blocking the view of the ocean.
SoWal Insider
Since you seem to want to couch this discussion in terms of cultural differences between the north and the south, and you keep bringing up the big concrete structures facing the Gulf, can I humbly point out to you that the vast majority of people in the south did not want theses structures, and that they were permitted and condoned overwlemingly by people from the north. Keep trying to impose your vision of what our neighborhood should look like and you will continue to get irritated criticism. We know your position, so stop repeating yourself.
Beach Fanatic
There's only one person talking about class, division and prejudice The same person that is wrapped in the confederate flag and posted and posted about that issue to divide.
Troll!
Troll!
Beach Fanatic
Jensky you know we have a problem in attitude between the people of North and South Walton. You know we have a problem between urban and rural all across this Country. I am no more a troll than anyone who posts in this forum and that includes you. You brought up a subject that is totally unrelated to the fishing pier. That said yes I do see and feel a socio-economic divide between North and South Walton. There are a lot of snarky remarks about people in North Walton coming from this forum. I think South Walton is misdirected in the blame for the problems with over-development. The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of greed and unfortunately greed exists in all humans not just certain groups. The only solution against greed is for all of us to be more unified in purpose. If I am a troll it is to help us be aware that we need each other. Maybe I am wrong but I feel like there are no good reasons that we can't all work together to solve problems no matter where you live, your political affiliation, your economic class, your religion, your ideology etc. We all want the same things. My opinion is that a fishing pier may help us mix a little better. I believe it is a great opportunity. Yes, there are infrastructure and cost issues that must be figured out first but you have to be open minded about it and not use the same old arguments about eyesore and sea turtles and just don't need it. We don't need any more development really but do you think that is going to stop us humans? We need each other to change each other...
Beach Fanatic
Jensky you know we have a problem in attitude between the people of North and South Walton. You know we have a problem between urban and rural all across this Country. I am no more a troll than anyone who posts in this forum and that includes you. You brought up a subject that is totally unrelated to the fishing pier. That said yes I do see and feel a socio-economic divide between North and South Walton. There are a lot of snarky remarks about people in North Walton coming from this forum. I think South Walton is misdirected in the blame for the problems with over-development. The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of greed and unfortunately greed exists in all humans not just certain groups. The only solution against greed is for all of us to be more unified in purpose. If I am a troll it is to help us be aware that we need each other. Maybe I am wrong but I feel like there are no good reasons that we can't all work together to solve problems no matter where you live, your political affiliation, your economic class, your religion, your ideology etc. We all want the same things. My opinion is that a fishing pier may help us mix a little better. I believe it is a great opportunity. Yes, there are infrastructure and cost issues that must be figured out first but you have to be open minded about it and not use the same old arguments about eyesore and sea turtles and just don't need it. We don't need any more development really but do you think that is going to stop us humans? We need each other to change each other...What is your opinion on customary use?
Beach Fanatic
Putnal You're way off base if you think poor people are going to drive 45 minutes and pay to to fish. Did you know we have poor folks right here in SoWal?
A pier would bring more tourists and make more money for the county which would end up in the wrong pockets. We don't need more tourists we need diversity in our economy. A pier won't help anyone after the next hurricane or oil spill tanks tourism.
Your time would be better spent working at a food bank or lobbying for affordable housing for our local community. How about require all your pinestraw buyers pledge to pay their workers a living wage? SoWal has plenty of people struggling for their next meal.
Your logic is so bad you can only be a troll.
If you lived here you would know that the animosity between North and South has always been about good Ole boys making dumb decisions to show beach people who had control. Pigs at the trough of South Walton
For the last few years the good Ole boys were hoodwinked by developers in SoWal who gamed the system to gain control. They want to continue the old narrative of North vs South as part of the con. You with them or just a "useful idiot" ?
A pier would bring more tourists and make more money for the county which would end up in the wrong pockets. We don't need more tourists we need diversity in our economy. A pier won't help anyone after the next hurricane or oil spill tanks tourism.
Your time would be better spent working at a food bank or lobbying for affordable housing for our local community. How about require all your pinestraw buyers pledge to pay their workers a living wage? SoWal has plenty of people struggling for their next meal.
Your logic is so bad you can only be a troll.
If you lived here you would know that the animosity between North and South has always been about good Ole boys making dumb decisions to show beach people who had control. Pigs at the trough of South Walton
For the last few years the good Ole boys were hoodwinked by developers in SoWal who gamed the system to gain control. They want to continue the old narrative of North vs South as part of the con. You with them or just a "useful idiot" ?
Beach Fanatic
Jensky, have you ever thought of why civility is important? Why not try and be a little respectful to people? I get that you have probably been down here longer and seen about all the bad development you can stomach but you are wrong if you don't think the good ole boy network of greed does not exist in South Walton and probably even yourself. I don't think you are naïve but I do think you are shackled by an agenda whatever it may be. If you and I are of the same gender then we both suffer from selfishness and privilege. At least I am aware. You seem to be very angry at something. You project that anger on to people you don't even know...at all. You need to believe you have a higher authority in your judgements of people. Listen, we can disagree and still get along. As for as tourism goes that train has already left the station and neither you or I can do anything about it UNLESS we work together. The solutions are not in blame or shame but rather good old fashion hard work and unity. That is what this county needs and that is what this country needs. I don't always say or do the right things but I do not believe in living in the past so why don't we try something different like, what can I do to help with the problems that over development is causing? If we talk about some of those things at a community fish fry or at a coffee shop do you think you could ever get to the pros and cons of a community fishing pier? It is all about respect and being open minded. You have certainly taught me that respect is not always easy...
Bob Wells, I believe that this is now in the hands of our judicial system because of human character issues. Greed. Disrespect. Inability to communicate. I am dead in the middle of the issue of customary use. I understand both sides. I wish there could have been a compromise before we got to this point. Now it really does not matter what we think because a Judge is going to decide for us and we are in the mercy of the court. I believe in our laws and our constitution but I want to believe in people doing the right thing whether that is respecting each other and our resources or sharing our resources. I hope this answers your question.
Bob Wells, I believe that this is now in the hands of our judicial system because of human character issues. Greed. Disrespect. Inability to communicate. I am dead in the middle of the issue of customary use. I understand both sides. I wish there could have been a compromise before we got to this point. Now it really does not matter what we think because a Judge is going to decide for us and we are in the mercy of the court. I believe in our laws and our constitution but I want to believe in people doing the right thing whether that is respecting each other and our resources or sharing our resources. I hope this answers your question.
Beach Fanatic
Jensky, have you ever thought of why civility is important? Why not try and be a little respectful to people? I get that you have probably been down here longer and seen about all the bad development you can stomach but you are wrong if you don't think the good ole boy network of greed does not exist in South Walton and probably even yourself. I don't think you are naïve but I do think you are shackled by an agenda whatever it may be. If you and I are of the same gender then we both suffer from selfishness and privilege. At least I am aware. You seem to be very angry at something. You project that anger on to people you don't even know...at all. You need to believe you have a higher authority in your judgements of people. Listen, we can disagree and still get along. As for as tourism goes that train has already left the station and neither you or I can do anything about it UNLESS we work together. The solutions are not in blame or shame but rather good old fashion hard work and unity. That is what this county needs and that is what this country needs. I don't always say or do the right things but I do not believe in living in the past so why don't we try something different like, what can I do to help with the problems that over development is causing? If we talk about some of those things at a community fish fry or at a coffee shop do you think you could ever get to the pros and cons of a community fishing pier? It is all about respect and being open minded. You have certainly taught me that respect is not always easy...All though I agree the courts will decide now, I am pro customary use, but I think you haven't looked at the socioeconomic impact of it because if you had you would be firmly on the side of those who can't afford beachfront property.
Bob Wells, I believe that this is now in the hands of our judicial system because of human character issues. Greed. Disrespect. Inability to communicate. I am dead in the middle of the issue of customary use. I understand both sides. I wish there could have been a compromise before we got to this point. Now it really does not matter what we think because a Judge is going to decide for us and we are in the mercy of the court. I believe in our laws and our constitution but I want to believe in people doing the right thing whether that is respecting each other and our resources or sharing our resources. I hope this answers your question.
Beach Fanatic
I respect and agree with customary use. I respect and agree that we have property rights. If I get to have a say then I say the beaches are for all of us and that if I purchase property that borders a beach I must share it with respectful and civil people. If a beach goer is not respectful and civil then I do not have to share it with those people. I think a court should side with customary use for respectful and civil people and the court should side with the property owner with people who are not civil and respectful.
Beach Fanatic
Jensky, I thought up a new country joke for your comment on "useful idiot".
If you find yalself ALWAYS a votin down party lines, well you just might be a "useful idiot"...
If you find yalself ALWAYS a votin down party lines, well you just might be a "useful idiot"...
Beach Fanatic
Congratulations to all those who voted NO to the fishing pier as the commission decided to table the discussion of a fishing pier for now as the vote was about 50% either way. This web survey was probably not the best way to know for sure how the people of the entire county feel about a fishing pier but I do agree with the commission that there are bigger fish to fry at the moment 
. All of you who voted NO can rest at ease that us rednecks will not invade your off shore beach areas on a fishing pier anytime soon. Chalk up another victory in the marginalization and prejudice against us fishing pole rednecks who simply want to catch an offshore fish! I think you know where I am going with my message so I will move on until another issue of hypocrisy (bias and prejudices by those who say they are progressives) rises up again...
. All of you who voted NO can rest at ease that us rednecks will not invade your off shore beach areas on a fishing pier anytime soon. Chalk up another victory in the marginalization and prejudice against us fishing pole rednecks who simply want to catch an offshore fish! I think you know where I am going with my message so I will move on until another issue of hypocrisy (bias and prejudices by those who say they are progressives) rises up again...SoWal Insider
I'm so sad for you...
Beach Fanatic
Congratulations to all those who voted NO to the fishing pier as the commission decided to table the discussion of a fishing pier for now as the vote was about 50% either way. This web survey was probably not the best way to know for sure how the people of the entire county feel about a fishing pier but I do agree with the commission that there are bigger fish to fry at the momentWhere?
Beach Fanatic
There is free fishing at the new pier / ramps at 331 bridge, and you can catch fish on the beach free, including Cobia. We do have about 29% of children in Walton County needing food assistance. There are better ways to deal with that than building a pier for tourists, which would be 98% of users I'm guessing. That said, I'm not against it. Just not sure it's needed the one at 331 is terrific.Yes, but I've yet to see anyone catch pompano in the Bay.
Beach Lover
Yes, but I've yet to see anyone catch pompano in the Bay.Well then. Excuse me if I don't want to spend a million so a pole redneck can hook a pomp.
Beach Fanatic
. We do have about 29% of children in Walton County needing food assistance.
Curious where you got that information?
According to a NEEDS ASSESSMENT done by the Walton County Health Department in 2016, 33.4% of Walton County residents live at or below the poverty level and suffer from food insecurities and need food assistance. The state average is 29%.
I agree with you that the county has more pressing needs than a fishing pier.
Skunky
Mr Vizcaya doing Buckeyes proud.
Curious where you got that information?
According to a NEEDS ASSESSMENT done by the Walton County Health Department in 2016, 33.4% of Walton County residents live at or below the poverty level and suffer from food insecurities and need food assistance. The state average is 29%.
I agree with you that the county has more pressing needs than a fishing pier.
I thought Cecilia Jones fed all the children
Beach Fanatic
Bled not fed.
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