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You are obviously another entitled beach front owner like Mr. Huckabbe that is trying to ruin our beach community 

so the dry sand is vacant - left only for you..

pathetic

You are obviously another entitled beach front owner like Mr. Huckabbe that is trying to ruin our beach community 
 
so the dry sand is vacant - left only for you.. 
 
pathetic

EZ4144

[QUOTE="Kaydence, post: 883192, member: 32467"][MEDIA=youtube]s2CnGbAaAfE[/MEDIA]

My opinion! So let me get this straight...someone goes out of their way to leave their own backyard in Seagrove (surrounded by white sandy beaches) to drive to Vizcaya (2 days in a row) to sit on property already in dispute, to "test" taunt, provoke the homeowners there into calling the police and face possible arrest for trespassing? Wow, that's a special kind of stupid! Drawing lines in the sand? Really? Taking up time & valuable resources from the WCSO?

Sheriff Adkinson, you missed a prime opportunity! You put stupid people in jail all the time....you sir, missed your shot! :)[/QUOTE]
It's called a protest. Power to the people!

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My opinion! So let me get this straight...someone goes out of their way to leave their own backyard in Seagrove (surrounded by white sandy beaches) to drive to Vizcaya (2 days in a row) to sit on property already in dispute, to &quot;test&quot; taunt, provoke the homeowners there into calling the police and face possible arrest for trespassing? Wow, that&#039;s a special kind of stupid! Drawing lines in the sand? Really? Taking up time &amp; valuable resources from the WCSO? 
 
Sheriff Adkinson, you missed a prime opportunity! You put stupid people in jail all the time....you sir, missed your shot! 🙂</blockquote>It&#039;s called a protest. Power to the people!

gumby

It`s called a waste of public resource time. Take it to the court room.

Teresa

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I am proud of these two local citizens who have brought attention to the farce executive order that does nothing for South Walton Beaches. It is going to take a lot of people standing up. Thank you Daniel and Justin! They have received a lot of press this week and that's what it's all about. Attention to this unjust law preventing people from customary use of our beaches.

I am proud of these two local citizens who have brought attention to the farce executive order that does nothing for South Walton Beaches. It is going to take a lot of people standing up. Thank you Daniel and Justin! They have received a lot of press this week and that&#039;s what it&#039;s all about. Attention to this unjust law preventing people from customary use of our beaches.

[QUOTE="gumby, post: 883215, member: 15787"]It`s called a waste of public resource time. Take it to the court room.[/QUOTE]
Arrests and national stories will hasten the legal battle.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="gumby">It`s called a waste of public resource time. Take it to the court room.</blockquote>Arrests and national stories will hasten the legal battle.

Kaydence

Beach Fanatic

[QUOTE="boomerang, post: 883205, member: 29031"]You are obviously another entitled beach front owner like Mr. Huckabbe that is trying to ruin our beach community

so the dry sand is vacant - left only for you..

pathetic[/QUOTE]


ROFLMAO...I don't own anything beach related and I think Mike Huckabee was/is an a$$ long before he bought property and built a monster house in SoWal. I've always thought he was a horrible, bible thumping, knee jerk politician (republican at that) who doesn't have the sense god gave a jacka$$ and his daughter followed in her daddies footsteps but that's just my opinion.

I actually support customary use and see absolutely no harm in people traversing the beach, coping a squat in the dry sand on a towel, with an unassuming small umbrella (especially if they have a small child to protect them from the sun) and quietly enjoying what nature has provided.

I draw the line at massive boom boxes, exceptionally large tents, gas grills, big screen TV's, sofa's, rows and rows of empty beach chairs, trampling the dunes, relieving themselves in said dunes, leaving your trash on the beach and preventing our native wildlife (sea turtles) from nesting, as well as storage sheds left on the beach to store said beach chairs. 

With that said, I also think there is a right way and a wrong way to do things and ultimately this will be decided in the Courts, as it should be. I think its a HUGE waste of WCSO resources to intentionally set out to have yourself arrested by falling on the proverbial sword to show your "peeps" you're willing to be the hero and get yourself thrown in jail for the cause or to make a name for yourself. It's ridiculous! 

Bottom line is, take only memories, leave only footprints.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="boomerang">You are obviously another entitled beach front owner like Mr. Huckabbe that is trying to ruin our beach community 
 
so the dry sand is vacant - left only for you.. 
 
pathetic</blockquote> 
 
ROFLMAO...I don&#039;t own anything beach related and I think Mike Huckabee was/is an a$$ long before he bought property and built a monster house in SoWal. I&#039;ve always thought he was a horrible, bible thumping, knee jerk politician (republican at that) who doesn&#039;t have the sense god gave a jacka$$ and his daughter followed in her daddies footsteps but that&#039;s just my opinion. 
 
I actually support customary use and see absolutely no harm in people traversing the beach, coping a squat in the dry sand on a towel, with an unassuming small umbrella (especially if they have a small child to protect them from the sun) and quietly enjoying what nature has provided. 
 
I draw the line at massive boom boxes, exceptionally large tents, gas grills, big screen TV&#039;s, sofa&#039;s, rows and rows of empty beach chairs, trampling the dunes, relieving themselves in said dunes, leaving your trash on the beach and preventing our native wildlife (sea turtles) from nesting, as well as storage sheds left on the beach to store said beach chairs. 
 
With that said, I also think there is a right way and a wrong way to do things and ultimately this will be decided in the Courts, as it should be. I think its a HUGE waste of WCSO resources to intentionally set out to have yourself arrested by falling on the proverbial sword to show your &quot;peeps&quot; you&#039;re willing to be the hero and get yourself thrown in jail for the cause or to make a name for yourself. It&#039;s ridiculous! 
 
Bottom line is, take only memories, leave only footprints.

This is just my personal observation of all the customary use hoopla. Ten years ago this was never an issue. Over the course of these 10 years the BCC and TDC have done extremely well in marketing and allowing over building in our area. With only 26 miles of beachfront property, you`d think that the powers in charge would slow the development down in our area. The more people you try to shove in this stretch of beach, the more issues are going to arise, thats where we are now = customary use. There are to many people now trying to access the beach. The population has exploded here and the beach has stayed the same. The private property owners probably had no idea this would be happening. they purchased gulf front property to have their slice of heaven, paid property taxes on it for all the years of ownership and now thanks to our wonderful BCC and TDC, want to take from them and give it to the public. Unbelievable
Thankfully, I live on waterfront property - in Freeport.

This is just my personal observation of all the customary use hoopla. Ten years ago this was never an issue. Over the course of these 10 years the BCC and TDC have done extremely well in marketing and allowing over building in our area. With only 26 miles of beachfront property, you`d think that the powers in charge would slow the development down in our area. The more people you try to shove in this stretch of beach, the more issues are going to arise, thats where we are now = customary use. There are to many people now trying to access the beach. The population has exploded here and the beach has stayed the same. The private property owners probably had no idea this would be happening. they purchased gulf front property to have their slice of heaven, paid property taxes on it for all the years of ownership and now thanks to our wonderful BCC and TDC, want to take from them and give it to the public. Unbelievable 
Thankfully, I live on waterfront property - in Freeport.

[QUOTE="gumby, post: 883242, member: 15787"]This is just my personal observation of all the customary use hoopla. Ten years ago this was never an issue. Over the course of these 10 years the BCC and TDC have done extremely well in marketing and allowing over building in our area. With only 26 miles of beachfront property, you`d think that the powers in charge would slow the development down in our area. The more people you try to shove in this stretch of beach, the more issues are going to arise, thats where we are now = customary use. There are to many people now trying to access the beach. The population has exploded here and the beach has stayed the same. The private property owners probably had no idea this would be happening. they purchased gulf front property to have their slice of heaven, paid property taxes on it for all the years of ownership and now thanks to our wonderful BCC and TDC, want to take from them and give it to the public. Unbelievable
Thankfully, I live on waterfront property - in Freeport.[/QUOTE]

I agree with most of what you said Gumby but...

I posted an Editorial here the other day which you can read here, [URL='http://sowal.com/forum/threads/interesting-editorial-in-todays-paper.93886/']Interesting Editorial in today's paper[/URL] that raises questions for me about the actual taxes paid.

Of particular interest to me was this comment: [quote]Whether your property line stops at the dunes or goes down to the Gulf, your taxes aren’t different. That’s because any land beyond those dunes can’t be developed. There’s nothing you can do with it, so those lands, owned or not, do not impact property values.
The land value that determines the fair market value of these homes, thereby deciding how much tax should be paid for that land, is based on the amount of land owned at the Coast Construction Control Line. If both you and your neighbor have 180 feet of Gulf-facing land, and all things are equal with that land except that you own to the high mean-water line and your neighbor’s deed stops at the dunes, your land will have the same accessed value.

Obviously, that doesn’t mean your taxes are the same. What you’ve put on that land will impact your value, as will dozens of other factors in the state of Florida, but owning a deed to the beach’s dry sand doesn’t increase the value at all. It’s worthless.[/quote]

If its worthless, its senseless to fight over it.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="gumby">This is just my personal observation of all the customary use hoopla. Ten years ago this was never an issue. Over the course of these 10 years the BCC and TDC have done extremely well in marketing and allowing over building in our area. With only 26 miles of beachfront property, you`d think that the powers in charge would slow the development down in our area. The more people you try to shove in this stretch of beach, the more issues are going to arise, thats where we are now = customary use. There are to many people now trying to access the beach. The population has exploded here and the beach has stayed the same. The private property owners probably had no idea this would be happening. they purchased gulf front property to have their slice of heaven, paid property taxes on it for all the years of ownership and now thanks to our wonderful BCC and TDC, want to take from them and give it to the public. Unbelievable 
Thankfully, I live on waterfront property - in Freeport.</blockquote> 
I agree with most of what you said Gumby but... 
 
I posted an Editorial here the other day which you can read here, <a href="http://sowal.com/forum/threads/interesting-editorial-in-todays-paper.93886/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Interesting Editorial in today&#039;s paper</a> that raises questions for me about the actual taxes paid. 
 
Of particular interest to me was this comment: <blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="">Whether your property line stops at the dunes or goes down to the Gulf, your taxes aren’t different. That’s because any land beyond those dunes can’t be developed. There’s nothing you can do with it, so those lands, owned or not, do not impact property values. 
The land value that determines the fair market value of these homes, thereby deciding how much tax should be paid for that land, is based on the amount of land owned at the Coast Construction Control Line. If both you and your neighbor have 180 feet of Gulf-facing land, and all things are equal with that land except that you own to the high mean-water line and your neighbor’s deed stops at the dunes, your land will have the same accessed value. 
 
Obviously, that doesn’t mean your taxes are the same. What you’ve put on that land will impact your value, as will dozens of other factors in the state of Florida, but owning a deed to the beach’s dry sand doesn’t increase the value at all. It’s worthless.</blockquote> 
If its worthless, its senseless to fight over it.

gailforce

When people “stand up” for what they believe in, shouldn’t they state what they are so passionate about rather than feigning ignorance for what they are doing? Daniel and Justin were insulting to the sheriffs department by pretending they didn’t know wet sand etc.  And condescendingly dismissive to the tourist who’s children were afraid.  Why didn’t they say they were there to protest private beaches?  That’s what ‘stand up’ guys do.

Wow. Mean spirited much? If you don't know what standing up for our community looks like then no one can help you understand this basic but critical concept. The sheriff's office needs clarification of the governor's executive order as much as the people do. It takes all of our efforts to do our part for our beach town. Supporting each other and not tearing into one another. Protesting and working in many ways. These two men showed up for us. I am grateful.

Wow. Mean spirited much? If you don&#039;t know what standing up for our community looks like then no one can help you understand this basic but critical concept. The sheriff&#039;s office needs clarification of the governor&#039;s executive order as much as the people do. It takes all of our efforts to do our part for our beach town. Supporting each other and not tearing into one another. Protesting and working in many ways. These two men showed up for us. I am grateful.

Jimmy T

I don't think Justin and Daniel were insulting at all. The wet sand argument is absurd, as you can clearly see. We can speculate about who is right and wrong here, but until a survey is produced, nothing can be proven. My feeling is that the person who called the authorities is insulting, since they have absolutely nothing to prove that Justin and Daniel are trespassing.

I don&#039;t think Justin and Daniel were insulting at all. The wet sand argument is absurd, as you can clearly see. We can speculate about who is right and wrong here, but until a survey is produced, nothing can be proven. My feeling is that the person who called the authorities is insulting, since they have absolutely nothing to prove that Justin and Daniel are trespassing.

[QUOTE="Teresa, post: 883250, member: 170"]These two men showed up for us. I am grateful.[/QUOTE]

Who is US? 

I assure you Teresa they were not there for me and similarly they obviously were not there for others posting here and I live in a beach community county! I agree with gailforce.

This isn't the first time Uhlfelder has imposed himself in a controversial "cause" and I'm sure it won't be the last. He seems to thrive on creating animosity and pitting neighbors against neighbors. If that's what "US" is all about, I'm happy not to be a part of it.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Teresa">These two men showed up for us. I am grateful.</blockquote> 
Who is US? 
 
I assure you Teresa they were not there for me and similarly they obviously were not there for others posting here and I live in a beach community county! I agree with gailforce. 
 
This isn&#039;t the first time Uhlfelder has imposed himself in a controversial &quot;cause&quot; and I&#039;m sure it won&#039;t be the last. He seems to thrive on creating animosity and pitting neighbors against neighbors. If that&#039;s what &quot;US&quot; is all about, I&#039;m happy not to be a part of it.

bob bob

[QUOTE="Kaydence, post: 883257, member: 32467"]Who is US?

I assure you Teresa they were not there for me and similarly they obviously were not there for others posting here and I live in a beach community county! I agree with gailforce.

This isn't the first time Uhlfelder has imposed himself in a controversial "cause" and I'm sure it won't be the last. He seems to thrive on creating animosity and pitting neighbors against neighbors. If that's what "US" is all about, I'm happy not to be a part of it.[/QUOTE]
Oh I see. It's because he wanted the confederate flag removed from county government property? Please keep the racism out of customary use!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Kaydence">Who is US? 
 
I assure you Teresa they were not there for me and similarly they obviously were not there for others posting here and I live in a beach community county! I agree with gailforce. 
 
This isn&#039;t the first time Uhlfelder has imposed himself in a controversial &quot;cause&quot; and I&#039;m sure it won&#039;t be the last. He seems to thrive on creating animosity and pitting neighbors against neighbors. If that&#039;s what &quot;US&quot; is all about, I&#039;m happy not to be a part of it.</blockquote>Oh I see. It&#039;s because he wanted the confederate flag removed from county government property? Please keep the racism out of customary use!

[QUOTE="bob bob, post: 883258, member: 32717"]Oh I see. It's because he wanted the confederate flag removed from county government property? Please keep the racism out of customary use![/QUOTE]


Ummm, I didn't mention the issue or other "cause" I just said it wasn't the first!!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="bob bob">Oh I see. It&#039;s because he wanted the confederate flag removed from county government property? Please keep the racism out of customary use!</blockquote> 
 
Ummm, I didn&#039;t mention the issue or other &quot;cause&quot; I just said it wasn&#039;t the first!!

Duchess

Thanks to Daniel and Justin for doing this.  They are definitively doing what I think is right and I have been doing the same, on a much quieter level.  I am proud to know them both!

Good for Daniel and Justin.  good for Daniel about the confederate flag issue too.

I did vote for Tump but i will never forgive Huckabees role in this matter of customary use - and i am not a bigot!!!!!!

Good for Daniel and Justin. good for Daniel about the confederate flag issue too. 
 
I did vote for Tump but i will never forgive Huckabees role in this matter of customary use - and i am not a bigot!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Kaydence, post: 883257, member: 32467"]Who is US?

I assure you Teresa they were not there for me and similarly they obviously were not there for others posting here and I live in a beach community county! I agree with gailforce.

This isn't the first time Uhlfelder has imposed himself in a controversial "cause" and I'm sure it won't be the last. He seems to thrive on creating animosity and pitting neighbors against neighbors. If that's what "US" is all about, I'm happy not to be a part of it.[/QUOTE]
 US is our South Walton community. The people who love our beaches and don't want to see them taken. Who care about the future of our businesses and livelihoods. Who want our children to be able to grow up on the same beaches we did. The people who love our community enough to make a stand, get arrested and go to jail to bring the attention that is needed to this situation made even more confusing by the governor's order. The people who dare to stand on dry sand. All of the people who are residents  visitors and beach lovers near and far who want to always be able to walk and play on the world's most beautiful beaches  They are us.

Please take your personal grievances elsewhere. It doesn't pertain to the issue at all. It never did pertain to any other issue either. It is not productive and serves no purpose. And it doesn't look good on you

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Kaydence">Who is US? 
 
I assure you Teresa they were not there for me and similarly they obviously were not there for others posting here and I live in a beach community county! I agree with gailforce. 
 
This isn&#039;t the first time Uhlfelder has imposed himself in a controversial &quot;cause&quot; and I&#039;m sure it won&#039;t be the last. He seems to thrive on creating animosity and pitting neighbors against neighbors. If that&#039;s what &quot;US&quot; is all about, I&#039;m happy not to be a part of it.</blockquote> US is our South Walton community. The people who love our beaches and don&#039;t want to see them taken. Who care about the future of our businesses and livelihoods. Who want our children to be able to grow up on the same beaches we did. The people who love our community enough to make a stand, get arrested and go to jail to bring the attention that is needed to this situation made even more confusing by the governor&#039;s order. The people who dare to stand on dry sand. All of the people who are residents visitors and beach lovers near and far who want to always be able to walk and play on the world&#039;s most beautiful beaches They are us. 
 
Please take your personal grievances elsewhere. It doesn&#039;t pertain to the issue at all. It never did pertain to any other issue either. It is not productive and serves no purpose. And it doesn&#039;t look good on you

Emerald Drifter

[QUOTE="EZ4144, post: 883231, member: 1857"]Arrests and national stories will hasten the legal battle.[/QUOTE] Very true.  And hopefully eventually embarrass the legistators who voted for this. 

AND...reveal who was behind this state wide legislation that seemed to be aimed at Walton County.  My hope is it shines a very bright light on Walton County.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="EZ4144">Arrests and national stories will hasten the legal battle.</blockquote> Very true. And hopefully eventually embarrass the legistators who voted for this. 
 
AND...reveal who was behind this state wide legislation that seemed to be aimed at Walton County. My hope is it shines a very bright light on Walton County.

well said Teresa... 
 
very well said...

[MEDIA=youtube]s2CnGbAaAfE[/MEDIA]

My opinion! So let me get this straight...someone goes out of their way to leave their own backyard in Seagrove (surrounded by white sandy beaches) to drive to Vizcaya (2 days in a row) to sit on property already in dispute, to "test" taunt, provoke the homeowners there into calling the police and face possible arrest for trespassing? Wow, that's a special kind of stupid! Drawing lines in the sand? Really? Taking up time & valuable resources from the WCSO?

Sheriff Adkinson, you missed a prime opportunity! You put stupid people in jail all the time....you sir, missed your shot! :)

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