Is this fight really about preserving our beaches or allowing more access to big money developers who want to start a second tier north of 30a but only if they can gain access to our beaches through this customary use doctrine.
Why has Walton County recently started purchasing more property on the beach (across from Stinkys) after all these years? Is this part of the plan? Did I read recently that a developer wanted to build another Watercolor or Watersound type development north of 30a near Santa Rosa Beach or in that area?
How are they going to get access to the beach when a majority of the beach is private homes? We need to look at the big picture. Wouldn’t keeping our beaches private like they are now actually have the effect of preserving our beaches and allowing more access for everyone long term by deterring over development by these big money developers?
I don’t recall anyone complaining about access to the beach until this issue of customary use suddenly came up. Who raised this issue and what is their agenda? Are we all just being used as pawns in a much bigger scheme for others to profit from customary use? Who really stands to benefit from implementing customary use?
Have they hired a public relations committee to tell them how they can manipulate the local citizens to create a grass root movement to help them push through customary use ...not to preserve our beaches but to subject them to overdevelopment? We need to know what is really going on behind the scenes. More development means more money for the county and certain individuals could profit immensely. Is that really what we want for our beaches?
Could our area become another Destin/Panama City? Wouldn’t the private property owners be better stewards and provide more protection for our beaches and unique dune lakes with eco systems that exist nowhere else in the world than the overdevelopment that may come with customary use?
Be careful what you wish for...and follow the money. If private beaches are a deterrent or obstacle to big money developers or over development, do we really want to remove that obstacle? If we crack that door, could it be flung wide open in a way we never intended or anticipated. What’s next? Removal of the 4 story restriction? Waterslides, amusement parks, a pier park, or Destin Commons?
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53Beach Lover
Shannon,
I support CU but...
I agree that the reason the BCC has allowed all this over development is that it is "designed to push out the historical "beach neighborhoods" with full-time residents, which are anchored by their own stretch of beach ... and turn these beaches into a wide open commodity --- the locals doing the real estate industry lobbyists and developers bidding".
Gone are the days of our cozy and quaint community with some of the most beautiful beaches in the world. Coming soon to a neighborhood near you are more traffic jams, more rentals, more private homes being sold to turn them into rentals, more development and still no infrastructure in place to handle the demands of more traffic.
Gone will be sea turtle nesting habitat's, destruction of more dunes and all the things we once knew our beaches to be.
It's sad and its heart wrenching to watch but this is what the BCC has bought and paid for by ignoring the LDC and Comprehensive plan and allowing developers, big money and politics to determine their poorly thought out decisions.
I think all of us agree that it will never be again what it once was and its difficult to let go of that. The reality is I don't think we don't have a choice anymore.
You maybe right, but I don't support anything that would accelerate the demise of these irreplaceable natural resources or residential areas. In my view is customary use or as I call it, customary density will greatly accelerate this result. We may not be able to stop it, but we damn sure shouldn't be encouraging it. The environmental impact of density is undeniable.
Shannon
Beach Fanatic
I wonder... does a BFO call the sheriff if their next door BFO neighbor or their guests steps foot on "their beach"?
I wouldn't want to live in a neighborhood like that.
Very possesive and paranoid behavior in my opinion. This is symptomatic of deep seeded personality issues. Very deep issues.
I wouldn't want to live in a neighborhood like that.
Very possesive and paranoid behavior in my opinion. This is symptomatic of deep seeded personality issues. Very deep issues.
Beach Comber
@Grace Daniell
Wouldn’t the private property owners be better stewards and provide more protection for our beaches and unique dune lakes with eco systems that exist nowhere else in the world than the overdevelopment that may come with customary use?
Have you seen the piles of garbage and tents and junk on the stretches of private beaches that have called for the stop of all Walton County TDC activities including trash collection? Its disgusting and appalling.
If there are piles of garbage, tents and junk on those private beaches it's not due to the homeowners. The homeowners didn't leave that mess. The people that left it obviously don't care much for our beaches. It all goes back to being a respectful beach goer, leave with what you brought. This is an issue that homeowners have dealt with for years. The county's answer was to have garbage trucks come clean up instead of insisting that people clean up after themselves. We've created an environment of people can do whatever they want on the beach instead of teaching people to be respectful of the beaches and our environment.
Beach Fanatic
The area definately lacks code enforcement if people are leaving trash behind. At least now code enforcement can concentrate on those public area commoners that have no respect for the beach.
If we are still cleaning the public beaches every day and 50% of those beaches have beach chair vendors on them and there is still trash left on the beach, wouldn't at least some of that be coming from the 1000 or so bfo's and their guests?
I think someone said we have 3 miles of publc beach minus 50% (for vendors) that leaves the rest of us with 1.5 miles of beach to mess up and clean after. The remaining 20+ miles is being tended to by the ecologically conscience bfo's.
If my numbers are even close to accurate, this should be an easy fix.
If we are still cleaning the public beaches every day and 50% of those beaches have beach chair vendors on them and there is still trash left on the beach, wouldn't at least some of that be coming from the 1000 or so bfo's and their guests?
I think someone said we have 3 miles of publc beach minus 50% (for vendors) that leaves the rest of us with 1.5 miles of beach to mess up and clean after. The remaining 20+ miles is being tended to by the ecologically conscience bfo's.
If my numbers are even close to accurate, this should be an easy fix.
Beach Fanatic
If there are piles of garbage, tents and junk on those private beaches it's not due to the homeowners. The homeowners didn't leave that mess. The people that left it obviously don't care much for our beaches. It all goes back to being a respectful beach goer, leave with what you brought. This is an issue that homeowners have dealt with for years. The county's answer was to have garbage trucks come clean up instead of insisting that people clean up after themselves. We've created an environment of people can do whatever they want on the beach instead of teaching people to be respectful of the beaches and our environment.Man, you are all twisted up. Picking up after people is the right thing to do. We aren't training them. Their parents in Atlanta did that. Or rather failed to do that. Get used to it. People paying $20K a week for a rental expect to be picked up after.
Beach Fanatic
The area definately lacks code enforcement if people are leaving trash behind. At least now code enforcement can concentrate on those public area commoners that have no respect for the beach.It's about NINE (9) miles of public beach; not 3. You have had, have, and will have 26 miles of public foreshore beach to walk on. L.C. Bane, who takes care of your private property better than you? Who takes better care of private beachfront property better than the owner of the property? After TS Gordon storm surf a week ago do you know what I picked up most!? In order; 1. cigarette butts, 2. water bottle twist tops, and 3. plastic toys. I don't smoke and all the rest was not mine or the people I invite on our property.
If we are still cleaning the public beaches every day and 50% of those beaches have beach chair vendors on them and there is still trash left on the beach, wouldn't at least some of that be coming from the 1000 or so bfo's and their guests?
I think someone said we have 3 miles of publc beach minus 50% (for vendors) that leaves the rest of us with 1.5 miles of beach to mess up and clean after. The remaining 20+ miles is being tended to by the ecologically conscience bfo's.
If my numbers are even close to accurate, this should be an easy fix.
Beach Fanatic
Man, you are all twisted up. Picking up after people is the right thing to do. We aren't training them. Their parents in Atlanta did that. Or rather failed to do that. Get used to it. People paying $20K a week for a rental expect to be picked up after.NO, people picking up after yourself is the respectful and right thing to do. Picking up after disrespectful people is enabling them. One way to prevent beachfront from being trashed is to apply consequences - keep off if you can't respect private beachfront and cleanup after yourself.
SoWal Guide
I hope we can agree that the TDC and Walton County should have programs in place and working every day to keep beaches clean, pristine, free of debris, proper lighting, no improper signs or fences (besides those allowed at this point, enforcement of rules for all beach activities including vendors. That's part of their mission and we should expect clean beaches no matter who claims private or not. Can we at least agree that our beaches deserve daily maintenance, good enforcement AND a limited/regulated Vendor program similar to other coastal communities. Keeping beaches clear of all obstacles to enjoying a beautiful beach day.
Clean beaches for the entire coastline is something we should all expect.
Clean beaches for the entire coastline is something we should all expect.
Beach Fanatic
NO, people picking up after yourself is the respectful and right thing to do. Picking up after disrespectful people is enabling them. One way to prevent beachfront from being trashed is to apply consequences - keep off if you can't respect private beachfront and cleanup after yourself.There are no consequences.
Beach Fanatic
It's about NINE (9) miles of public beach; not 3. You have had, have, and will have 26 miles of public foreshore beach to walk on. L.C. Bane, who takes care of your private property better than you? Who takes better care of private beachfront property better than the owner of the property? After TS Gordon storm surf a week ago do you know what I picked up most!? In order; 1. cigarette butts, 2. water bottle twist tops, and 3. plastic toys. I don't smoke and all the rest was not mine or the people I invite on our property.
NINE (9) miles, got it. I wasn't positive on that number just thought I read on here somewhere. Oh thats right. If you include state parks its 9. Excluding pay to enter state parks it's 3 according to one of your other posts. Thank you for the correction and for picking up around the beach. Much appreciated.
SoWal Insider
I'm still waiting on the figures from TDC or somebody about how many visitors we get on any given sun day to see how they are going to fit in the 3 miles.
Beach Fanatic
Um, this is an odd question; neither protection nor development. This is purely about people wishing to use the beach as they always have without harassment or hinderance. No conspiracy. Simple. We want to go whenever and wherever we wish on all beaches as it has always been. Simple. That Is All.
Beach Lover
I hope we can agree that the TDC and Walton County should have programs in place and working every day to keep beaches clean, pristine, free of debris, proper lighting, no improper signs or fences (besides those allowed at this point, enforcement of rules for all beach activities including vendors. That's part of their mission and we should expect clean beaches no matter who claims private or not. Can we at least agree that our beaches deserve daily maintenance, good enforcement AND a limited/regulated Vendor program similar to other coastal communities. Keeping beaches clear of all obstacles to enjoying a beautiful beach day.
Clean beaches for the entire coastline is something we should all expect.
I hope you encourage all you know to follow your example as you personally and publicly at BCC meetings and by every other means at your disposal urge the BCC to set forth reasonable rules and regs for the Beach Vendors, including limits on setups, require they clean their licensed stretch of beach every day, filling in of holes dug, and selling the rights to those beaches rather than giving them away. Ghost setups no longer allowed.
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Beach Fanatic
See if this pattern holds ... troll...troll...troll..troll...OMG you guys are terrible .... IMA VICTIM! ... silence.Well it didnt take that long...from Floridabeachbum on the Open Question thread....."Wow. Incredible. You and Dave R and others only encourage this behavior and blame the victims!?"You called it!
Beach Fanatic
This is purely about people wishing to use the beach as they always have without harassment or hinderance. No conspiracy. Simple. We want to go whenever and wherever we wish on all beaches as it has always been. Simple. That Is All.It's about RESPECTING property rights - the same property rights you have.
Beach Fanatic
My middle school daughter got kicked off of beach areas yesterday while volunteering for for Coastal Clean Up this weekend. "The signs are there for a reason" one person that ejected her said as she was picking up trash on the beach.
Let that sink in.
Let that sink in.
Beach Fanatic
My middle school daughter got kicked off of beach areas yesterday while volunteering for for Coastal Clean Up this weekend. "The signs are there for a reason" one person that ejected her said as she was picking up trash on the beach.
Let that sink in.
What beach/community?
Beach Fanatic
They started at Dune Allen Beach access. Not sure exactly where they were.
To add, she is a little kid. Oblivious that this is even an issue.
To add, she is a little kid. Oblivious that this is even an issue.
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Beach Fanatic
They started at Dune Allen Beach access. Not sure exactly where they were.
To add, she is a little kid. Oblivious that this is even an issue.
My middle school daughter got kicked off of beach areas yesterday while volunteering for for Coastal Clean Up this weekend. "The signs are there for a reason" one person that ejected her said as she was picking up trash on the beach.That's shameful. Please tell her that there are many, many of us who are thankful for her effort and contribution to keeping our beaches clean and beautiful.
Let that sink in.
SoWal Insider
Well it didnt take that long...from Floridabeachbum on the Open Question thread....."Wow. Incredible. You and Dave R and others only encourage this behavior and blame the victims!?"You called it!
Oh the horror!! Oh the victims!!



Beach Fanatic
Ludicrous that Beach Stealers are playing victim. They seem to have invaded here in force. Like a planned attack on the community. Hmmmmm
Beach Fanatic
Ludicrous that Beach Stealers are playing victim. They seem to have invaded here in force. Like a planned attack on the community. HmmmmmDawn, if you were attacked or threatened, in public, and call vulgar names by "the community" or an individual - would you be a victim or would you deserve it?
Most of the people attacked, like me and many other private property supporters, have been here for decades and not invaded anywhere. More emotional fiction.
Beach Fanatic
Dawn, if you were attacked or threatened, in public, and call vulgar names by "the community" or an individual - would you be a victim or would you deserve it?If I stand in front of a speeding car am I a victim?
Most of the people attacked, like me and many other private property supporters, have been here for decades and not invaded anywhere. More emotional fiction.
No need to answer you prove my point with every keystroke.
Beach Fanatic
They started at Dune Allen Beach access. Not sure exactly where they were.That is truly sad. Sorry that happened to her.
To add, she is a little kid. Oblivious that this is even an issue.
SoWal Guide
My middle school daughter got kicked off of beach areas yesterday while volunteering for for Coastal Clean Up this weekend. "The signs are there for a reason" one person that ejected her said as she was picking up trash on the beach.
Let that sink in.
I can't imagine that happening here in this community. Many people of all ages volunteered for International Coastal Cleanup Day and gave their Saturday morning to take care of our beaches. I thank them all. My teenage son was out there with his school. These events were planned and organized by Friends of South Walton Sea Turtles It's a great thing to do.
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