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Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Reggie Gaskins avatar
Beach Lover
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When you see a PCB or Destin bumper sticker, what thought immediately comes to mind? Probably same for all of us with any time spent here - nice, but it ain’t 30A! Do you remember why you started renting/visiting here? What was it? Remember when you bought your first 30A property? Why here?
Because it was DIFFERENT, right? Remember the words you used to describe it to family and friends as you invited them here? “Private” “Quiet” “Intimate” “Less crowded”. That wasn’t by accident. The entire genetic code of Sowal beaches is because of the private ownership and neighborhood beach personalities.
You could rent “private beach”. You could buy “private beach”. There wasn’t a free for all frat party atmosphere because of unlimited public beach access on the sands. That behavior was regulated by the privately owned property where such behavior was immediately squelched. And yet, by custom, no one was ever “Kicked off” of private beaches because owners don’t do that unless bad actors abuse the privilege.
Walton County has always had more than 50% PUBLIC beach. Still does. That hasn’t changed. There are now deliberately misleading fear tactics out there with scary words like “Quiet Title” and “Privatization”, neither of which have affected one single square inch of public beach, not one. Yet, the mob mentality, orchestrated by local carnival barkers eager for fame and notoriety, and dollars, have mislead the citizens and deliberately tried to divide the community in a shell game of Customary Use.
The fact is that the county outran the capabilities of local Commissioners to plan for growth 20 years ago, and we haven’t improved that talent to deal with it even yet. So the County, in failing to plan beach availability, tried to illegally claim private property as public, without following the laws requiring judicial oversight. The local Good Ol’ Boys overreached their authority and got caught by the adults in Tallahassee. So they then decides to sue 4,800 of Sowal citizens to take their property. That’s right, your tax money is being spent, and a lot of it, to SUE almost 5,000 of your neighbors, and steal what they agreed to purchase at a premium, and have a deed to prove it.
Don’t blame them please, they didn’t want or ask for this fight. They live here and care for these beaches just like you and me. Go meet them, they are truly the eclectic fabric of 30A. The signs they had to put up are just in defense of this new orchestrated public attack against them.
The bottom line is this: The minute you release the public to occupy all of Sowal beaches, you IMMEDIATELY get nasty Destin and PCB problems. How will you feel about that 30A sticker then? Nostalgic? Me too.

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Beach Fanatic
#2302
I have contributed nowhere near 115 pages of comments or axe grinding. I specifically said that I have inland property. I am a full time resident. I am not a lawyer and I am definitely not a liar, but people like you will believe what you want anyway or you wouldn't make the kinds of accusations you are while having no evidence whatsoever. Interesting way to handle a discussion on your part.
What I see is ganging up on a valued community and local business owner again and again and again. It is cyber bullying and just plain chicken s**t behavior. You and your buddies registered here and post only on this thread. It's an obvious and cowardly vendetta against someone has the nerve to stand up to you..You and your ilk are getting trounced by a few community activists and you can't handle it. Never been allowed on this forum before. I am surprised it has been allowed to continue.

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FloridaBeachBum avatar
Beach Fanatic
#2303
CU believer unsubstantiated words are clear for anyone to read. No need to twist anything. About 1,193 beachfront parcels are owned by individual, corporate, or association private property entities to the MHWL. Over 650+ beachfront parcel owners are intervening as Defendants (including Seaside). ONLY State, local, and some Federal (not all, like Eglin and Hurlburt beaches) Government owned-property allow public use of all American Constitutional bundle of property rights.

Private owner entities pay TEN$ of THOUSAND$ Walton property taxes each on ALL deeded private property to the MHWL. Or do any CU believers have alternative facts? ALL BPOs, even BPOs who do not reside in Walton, pay property taxes to the MHWL for Walton-children's schools, roads, fire protection, law (un)enforcement.

"The unbuildable portion behind the dune line to the waterline is not taxed." is not credible, is fiction, unless there are facts to back up the words. 115 pages of CU believer misinformation and ZERO CU facts. But I repeat myself.

Why is the dry sand "unbuildable"? Because it can not be physically built on or because of government police-powers says so? If Walton police power makes the sand unbuildable, when it can be built on, but police powers could allow buildable fixtures (an 176 ft tall private observation tower on Daytona Beach and I see fishing piers built everywhere in FL), then by CU belief the government police power regulations made the sand "worthless" and according to the Constitution is a "take". Might read SCOTUS Lucas v. South Carolina Coastal Council and FL Bert Harris Act.

Like previous posts why would Walton not intervene in private-property (not public property) quiet-title litigation if Walton had a chance to prevail or "take" worthless unbuildable beachfront by eminent domain if Walton could? Illogical incredible CU beliefs (not facts). Words are cheap and easy. Facts and credibility take time and add value to forum. Not name calling or BPO attacks like "scum" leeboy, "anonymous" James Bentwood, or bob bob's sock puppet bob1. Can there be some facts to support CU beliefs and stop the antisocial-media bravo-sierra on this forum?

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FloridaBeachBum avatar
Beach Fanatic
#23041
Glad CU believers follow WaltonWatchDog. Beachfront property tax facts. Please be governed accordingly.
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FactorFiction avatar
Beach Fanatic
#2305
What I see is ganging up on a valued community and local business owner again and again and again. It is cyber bullying and just plain chicken s**t behavior. You and your buddies registered here and post only on this thread. It's an obvious and cowardly vendetta against someone has the nerve to stand up to you..You and your ilk are getting trounced by a few community activists and you can't handle it. Never been allowed on this forum before. I am surprised it has been allowed to continue.

:benice:
You are an interesting character! Pretty sure that I haven't called anyone a name, including you. I asked some questions. Pretty sure that Dave doesn't need you to answer for or defend him. I've been on SOWAL for a number of years and commented on a variety of topics. Just not a whole lot on here besides this one lately. More assumptions about my "buddies" and my "ilk". Really? You sure read a lot into very little. Try taking things at face value instead of making all kinds of faulty assumptions and assuming some kind of conspiracy theories. In any case, if Dave wants to clarify, he will. If he doesn't, he doesn't. Unless you're his handler, which I have no reason to believe you are, he is the only one who my questions were directed to and only as a direct result of his post.
Beach Lover
#2306
Private beaches are a mistake

The inconvenient truth is that there is no one alive today when the entire 26 miles of Walton County Beach Property was public property.

Looking at Property Sales, there is a tremendous difference in value (costs) between two similar properties, one with deeded property line to the MHWL and the other miles inland. Not only is the value different, so are the taxes.

Selling Private beach front property was not illegal 50 years ago and not illegal today. Some may feel it was a mistake for the county NOT to purchase more properties years ago (at a much cheaper price than today) but they did not. They have bought some but not enough for 4 million tourists.

The County can buy beach front property today, several properties are on the open market right now. Or a group of Citizens can start a Go Fund Me account and buy a beach front property and donate it to the State.

According to the FBFA this lawsuit will be in the court for 10 years, and until then will remain private property, as they have been. What do you think the property prices will be in 10 years?
liz coats avatar
Beach Lover
#2307
It seems that the bottom line here is that the customary use activists don't want to debate the issue and they don't seem to tolerate free expression from the beachfront owners.
Dave Rauschkolb avatar
Beach Fanatic
#2308
Glad CU believers follow WaltonWatchDog. Beachfront property tax facts. Please be governed accordingly.
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There you go again, twisting my words. Beachfront owners pay taxes on beach front property but not the sand behind their homes. The unbuildable portion behind the dune line to the waterline is not taxed.
BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
Beach Fanatic
#2309
One more time, Dave: My front yard and back yard in Atlanta is unbuildable because of governmental imposed regulations. I'm 100% confident I'm paying taxes on that property. No different here on the beach as much as you and others would like to wish.
Beach Lover
#2310
There you go again, twisting my words. Beachfront owners pay taxes on beach front property but not the sand behind their homes. The unbuildable portion behind the dune line to the waterline is not taxed.

There you go again with another "myth". According to your logic if you buy a beach front property that extends to the MHWL with a structure (home) and front yard valued at $500 K, but the property costs $2,500,000, then you only pay tax on $500K? Not true.
Dave Rauschkolb avatar
Beach Fanatic
#2311
One more time, Dave: My front yard and back yard in Atlanta is unbuildable because of governmental imposed regulations. I'm 100% confident I'm paying taxes on that property. No different here on the beach as much as you and others would like to wish.

Thanks for the non vitriolic response BMBV. Merry Christmas Sir (or Ma'am).
liz coats avatar
Beach Lover
#2312
What I see is ganging up on a valued community and local business owner again and again and again. It is cyber bullying and just plain chicken s**t behavior. You and your buddies registered here and post only on this thread. It's an obvious and cowardly vendetta against someone has the nerve to stand up to you..You and your ilk are getting trounced by a few community activists and you can't handle it. Never been allowed on this forum before. I am surprised it has been allowed to continue.

:benice:
Translation: If you aren't a "community activist", Leave.
Dave Rauschkolb avatar
Beach Fanatic
#2313
Translation: If you aren't a "community activist", Leave.

No, translation: Personal attacks and vindictive, vitriolic vendettas are not allowed on SoWal. Merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah

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