By David Magliano
As their name suggests, the Walton County Taxpayers Association represents those who pay taxes in Walton County. They do not necessarily represent residents of the county, and the group actually focuses much of its energy on nonresidents.
?They are more vocal about the tax burden on them,? said Bob Hudson, treasurer of the WCTA. ?They don?t get to vote on who the elected offi cials are so they are seeking someone here that on a day-to-day basis can represent them.?
Hudson said most of the tax dollars collected by the county are from those who own land in Walton County but live elsewhere because they are not eligible for the homestead exemption, making their tax bills higher.
The exemption takes $25,000 off the taxable value of the house and caps the annual appraisal increase at no more than 3 percent. To be eligible for homesteading, the property must be your primary residence.
?They bear a great deal of the cost,? said Hudson.
Hudson said taxpayers outside of Walton County do not receive as much of the benefit of what their tax dollars pay for as residents do. Taxing authorities do not need to answer to those taxpayers either, said Hudson, because they cannot vote in elections.
?[Elected offi cials] are not accountable to that person the same way they are someone who lives here,? he said.
With much of its energy focused on non-residents, the WCTA places a heavy emphasis on lowering tax rates.
Darrell Barnhill, vice chairman of the Walton County School Board and a member of the WCTA, said the group sometimes focuses too narrowly on tax rates without considering consequences.
?I?ve asked the Taxpayers Association, as a member and as an elected official, to work together to find out what can be eliminated or postponed,? he said. ?But that didn?t happen.?
The WCTA recently gave the school board an F grade as a taxing authority. Barnhill said that in the past, the group has provided specifi c examples of items they felt could be eliminated from the budget to allow for a lower tax rate. This year, he said the WCTA did not do that.
Much of the school board was upset with the WCTA grade, but Barnhill is not against the group. He joined the WCTA four years ago because he felt they were moving in the right direction in watching government spending to protect all taxpayers.
?Every taxpayer needs to be represented,? said Barnhill.
Barnhill said he appreciated those efforts and ?doesn?t mind the scrutiny.? He only wants the communication between taxing authorities and the WCTA to improve.
?I hope in the future we can share issues better,? he said. ?Before we get a grade.?
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SHELLYSoWal Insider5,763 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
The Florida SOH program has been around for well over a decade. It wasn't an issue until just recently as a result of investulors running the cost of housing up into the stratosphere. All the backslapping, deal making and whoo-ha is over and NOW they're concerned. <cue the tiny violins>
Mango
MangoSoWal InsiderNew York/ Santa Rosa Beach9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
Set aside the thought of "investors" and it is not a novel idea for one to be concerned where and how their tax dollars are being spent.
I live in a County that has experienced tremendous growth over the past 13 years due to the proximity to the city and at that time homes were more affordable for families starting out. Now after people multiplying like rabbits. there are lots more children in the schools. The County has become one of the most expensive to buy in in the nation, and this year alone my taxes have gone up 21%. About 60-65% of my tax dollars goes to schools. They also had big school budget cut backs, so many fundraisers have been being promoted. I just got invited to a brunch with Santa that was $23 a head. For eggs and bacon. :blink: What was it for you ask? So that the kindergarten children could have a yearbook. :shock: Maybe I am getting old, but in my day, a school picture was sufficient and my parents PAID for it. Apparently my tax dollars over the years has been paying for this and some other IMO ridiculous things not related to improving a child's learning experience.
I am all for education, building better, safer roads and infrastructures, maintaining the environment etc., but if I pay taxes somewhere, I have a right to know how my money is being spent, especially if I am forced to forfeit my right to vote for people who are making the decisions.
I live in a County that has experienced tremendous growth over the past 13 years due to the proximity to the city and at that time homes were more affordable for families starting out. Now after people multiplying like rabbits. there are lots more children in the schools. The County has become one of the most expensive to buy in in the nation, and this year alone my taxes have gone up 21%. About 60-65% of my tax dollars goes to schools. They also had big school budget cut backs, so many fundraisers have been being promoted. I just got invited to a brunch with Santa that was $23 a head. For eggs and bacon. :blink: What was it for you ask? So that the kindergarten children could have a yearbook. :shock: Maybe I am getting old, but in my day, a school picture was sufficient and my parents PAID for it. Apparently my tax dollars over the years has been paying for this and some other IMO ridiculous things not related to improving a child's learning experience.
I am all for education, building better, safer roads and infrastructures, maintaining the environment etc., but if I pay taxes somewhere, I have a right to know how my money is being spent, especially if I am forced to forfeit my right to vote for people who are making the decisions.
SHELLY
SHELLYSoWal Insider5,763 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
Set aside the thought of "investors" and it is not a novel idea for one to be concerned where and how their tax dollars are being spent.
I am all for education, building better, safer roads and infrastructures, maintaining the environment etc., but if I pay taxes somewhere, I have a right to know how my money is being spent, especially if I am forced to forfeit my right to vote for people who are making the decisions.
Isn't that SOP for any US citizen who owns property in a state other than their declared state of residence? As far as I know, no other state allows a non-resident to vote in their elections--but it seem to be more of an issue in Florida.
(There is a solution, but it seems that some folks just don't want to commit to declaring FLA as their state of residence. Don't know why....there's no income tax, the weather is wonderful, the beaches are great, we've got tons of jobs...what's the problem? :idontno: )
Mango
MangoSoWal InsiderNew York/ Santa Rosa Beach9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
Isn't that SOP for any US citizen who owns property in a state other than their declared state of residence? As far as I know, no other state allows a non-resident to vote in their elections--but it seem to be more of an issue in Florida.
(There is a solution, but it seems that some folks just don't want to commit to declaring FLA as their state of residence. Don't know why....there's no income tax, the weather is wonderful, the beaches are great, we've got tons of jobs...what's the problem? :idontno: )
Can't speak for anyone else, but I would be more than happy to benefit from the SOH program, dip my tootsies in the sand everyday, and bask in SoWal's beauty, but my family won't move, so if you would like me as your neighbor, feel free to come and talk them into it.
You make a good argument. ;-)
I think you may find this interesting to watch and see how this goes
Maryland: Bill would allow non-residents to vote in some vacation towns
SHELLY
SHELLYSoWal Insider5,763 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
I think you may find this interesting to watch and see how this goes
Maryland: Bill would allow non-residents to vote in some vacation towns
Yeah...right...., about as interesting as watching paint dry....
....the politicos who need to act to push this bill through come from other areas of Maryland where they've gotta care what the real residents have to say. I don't think their constituents will take too kindly to elected officials reliquishing control of a portion of the Great State of Maryland resulting in a situation where their fellow statesmen will be at the mercy of a bunch of condo owners from New Jersey, Philly, and Wash D.C.
Mango
MangoSoWal InsiderNew York/ Santa Rosa Beach9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
Yeah...right...., about as interesting as watching paint dry....
....the politicos who need to act to push this bill through come from other areas of Maryland where they've gotta care what the real residents have to say. I don't think their constituents will take too kindly to elected officials reliquishing control of a portion of the Great State of Maryland resulting in a situation where their fellow statesmen will be at the mercy of a bunch of condo owners from New Jersey, Philly, and Wash D.C.
You would be surprised how many real residents of Maryland, particularly Frederick County due to proximity to DC , own property in Ocean City. They pay taxes on things Ocean City residents do not, like school tax, emergency taxes etc. The councils are even allowed to have closed secret meetings. The same people who allowed all the condos to be built. :blink: There are 2600 residents and 32000 non residents there. Residents also have a cap on taxes similar to SOH.
IMO, Taxation without Representation is unfair anywhere.
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You would be surprised how many real residents of Maryland, particularly Fredericksburg County due to proximity to DC , own property in Ocean City. They pay taxes on things Ocean City residents do not, like school tax, emergency taxes etc. The councils are even allowed to have closed secret meetings. The same people who allowed all the condos to be built. :blink: There are 2600 residents and 32000 non residents there. Residents also have a cap on taxes similar to SOH.What about sales taxes one might pay when buying in another state, or gas taxes in other states, when you fill up as you are driving through?
IMO, Taxation without Representation is unfair anywhere.
Mango
MangoSoWal InsiderNew York/ Santa Rosa Beach9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
What about sales taxes one might pay when buying in another state, or gas taxes in other states, when you fill up as you are driving through?
:roll: You know I meant real estate taxes and any bull tax that a non-resident pays smartiepants. Now I am going to play Simpsons snowball fight.;-) The taxes you are talking about everyone pays.
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:roll: You know I meant real estate taxes and any bull tax that a non-resident pays smartiepants. Now I am going to play Simpsons snowball fight.;-) The taxes you are talking about everyone pays.I wasn't trying to be a smartypants. :blush: Just seeing exactly how literal you meant your statement to be.
John R
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my take. owning property somewhere you don't live is a luxury, and luxury comes with expense. people only vote where they live. if what happens where you don't, you don't like, so sad. come on down and be as vocal as you want, but don't expect to ever vote here unless you live here.
not an attack within this thread, just my belief and a blanket statement towards this silly movement about to happen(ing). seen it before and will see it again, and it will get stopped again. the beach seems to be 5 years behind the mountains.
not an attack within this thread, just my belief and a blanket statement towards this silly movement about to happen(ing). seen it before and will see it again, and it will get stopped again. the beach seems to be 5 years behind the mountains.
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my take. owning property somewhere you don't live is a luxury, and luxury comes with expense. people only vote where they live. if what happens where you don't, you don't like, so sad. come on down and be as vocal as you want, but don't expect to ever vote here unless you live here.
not an attack within this thread, just my belief and a blanket statement towards this silly movement about to happen(ing). seen it before and will see it again, and it will get stopped again. the beach seems to be 5 years behind the mountains.
i realize this is not an attack, but because i am a full-time resident here, i i find this opinion very dangerous for the county. i believe this opinion that people are "lucky" to be spending their money here and investing in this area reflects a "sense of entitlement" that will hurt this area.
any economic development expert will tell you that appreciating the industries and entities that bring money and growth to a community makes good sense. suggesting they don't deserve a say is dismissive and not very community-oriented. after all, they can always take their "luxury" income and spend it somehwere else. after watching what happens to poorly managed regions, i can assure you, they will do that.
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Smiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
i realize this is not an attack, but because i am a full-time resident here, i i find this opinion very dangerous for the county. i believe this opinion that people are "lucky" to be spending their money here and investing in this area reflects a "sense of entitlement" that will hurt this area.
any economic development expert will tell you that appreciating the industries and entities that bring money and growth to a community makes good sense. suggesting they don't deserve a say is dismissive and not very community-oriented. after all, they can always take their "luxury" income and spend it somehwere else. after watching what happens to poorly managed regions, i can assure you, they will do that.
So are you saying that all of the "communities," and I use that term extremely loosely, which are empty most of the year, are "community oriented?" At best, the visitors to the communities stay for one week at a time. There is no real sense of community, unless you consider the architectural styles and empty homes a "community." Communities are made up of people who reside in a place, establishing long-lasting relationships with others in an area of close proximity.
How much say should someone who spends zero amount of time in SoWal, have in our community? What about someone who spends less than two weeks a year? Do you think they know what is best for our area, or does that matter? Should their financial interests be the only thing that matters? Just curious to know your thoughts on that.
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Mango
MangoSoWal InsiderNew York/ Santa Rosa Beach9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
What about sales taxes one might pay when buying in another state, or gas taxes in other states, when you fill up as you are driving through?
my take. owning property somewhere you don't live is a luxury, and luxury comes with expense. people only vote where they live. if what happens where you don't, you don't like, so sad. come on down and be as vocal as you want, but don't expect to ever vote here unless you live here.
not an attack within this thread, just my belief and a blanket statement towards this silly movement about to happen(ing). seen it before and will see it again, and it will get stopped again. the beach seems to be 5 years behind the mountains.
People have the ability to buy numerous "luxury" items ie; cell phones, airline tickets etc. and they are all represented by some consumer group or lobbyists. When you buy stock, you have voting rights.
IMO it is just plain ole un-American for anyone paying any taxes anywhere to not have a vote (Taxation without Representation)
As far as sense of community, this site is an excellent example of that.
SJ, would you argue that just because I am not there on a daily basis, that I do not feel in tune with the community and also the needs of the full time residents?
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Bob
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John R , many of the the folks in the "silly movement" are your part time neighbors and have been paying your way for years now. Is that the kind of neighbor you want to be?
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So are you saying that all of the "communities," and I use that term extremely loosely, which are empty most of the year, are "community oriented?" At best, the visitors to the communities stay for one week at a time. There is no real sense of community, unless you consider the architectural styles and empty homes a "community." Communities are made up of people who reside in a place, establishing long-lasting relationships with others in an area of close proximity.
How much say should someone who spends zero amount of time in SoWal, have in our community? What about someone who spends less than two weeks a year? Do you think they know what is best for our area, or does that matter? Should their financial interests be the only thing that matters? Just curious to know your thoughts on that.
not by a long shot joe! i agree there are a string of mini-fifedoms now.
my point is that we will not get any closer toward developing a sense of responsiblity toward one another and proper community without being respectful encouraging and honoring everyone's contributions resident or non-resident.
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i think people want to be involved in a more positive way and we need to provide the opportunity for that especially given the contributions that people could be making. we need to give options for beneficial community-oriented contributions instead of just investment in local developer's projects via real estate, etc.
i just think that unilateral dismissing or ignoring all these part-time residents and visitors does not benefit us. in fact, what many of them would prefer to see would benefit us greatly! more cultural venues, better transportation and protection of the environment.
i just think that unilateral dismissing or ignoring all these part-time residents and visitors does not benefit us. in fact, what many of them would prefer to see would benefit us greatly! more cultural venues, better transportation and protection of the environment.
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People have the ability to buy numerous "luxury" items ie; cell phones, airline tickets etc. and they are all represented by some consumer group or lobbyists. When you buy stock, you have voting rights.
IMO it is just plain ole un-American for anyone paying any taxes anywhere to not have a vote (Taxation without Representation)
As far as sense of community, this site is an excellent example of that.
SJ, would you argue that just because I am not there on a daily basis, that I do not feel in tune with the community and also the needs of the full time residents?
very salient points!
this idea of "give us your money and shut up" is not only disrespectful and rude, it will not longer serve the community. the real estate boom is over folks.
chrisv
chrisvBeach FanaticFreeport, Florida630 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
IMO it is just plain ole un-American for anyone paying any taxes anywhere to not have a vote (Taxation without Representation)
Are you really suggesting that one should be able to vote in any locale in which one has a tax liability?
We can cast a ballot in our county of residence, and that is the way it should be. To suggest that because one pays taxes in multiple locales they should have more say in our government than those who just pay in one is to me "un-American." Seems we fought a war and passed two amendments to guarantee 'One (wo)Man One Vote.'
That does not, however, mean that we have no say in another community's government. Just look at the financial disclosures of any candidate for office. You'll see plenty of folks from around the country being well represented right here in Walton County.
mfmfBanned208 postsJoined View profileMessageBanned
Are you really suggesting that one should be able to vote in any locale in which one has a tax liability?
We can cast a ballot in our county of residence, and that is the way it should be. To suggest that because one pays taxes in multiple locales they should have more say in our government than those who just pay in one is to me "un-American." Seems we fought a war and passed two amendments to guarantee 'One (wo)Man One Vote.'
That does not, however, mean that we have no say in another community's government. Just look at the financial disclosures of any candidate for office. You'll see plenty of folks from around the country being well represented right here in Walton County.
by this logic we should not be giving outside developers or businesses a voice with local government or special consideration or dispensation. that is most definitely happening. so either that should change or why not give individuals the same rights?
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