http://www.nolesports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071218/FSU03/71218018
YOWZA this looks bad for the state university system and it looks like the number of players caught might rise. I am ashamed to be a Floridian. Yuck!
"Florida State will be without at least 11 available players with starting experience when it plays Kentucky in the Music City Bowden.
Twenty-three players, as of Tuesday afternoon, are expected to be penalized as a result of an academic misconduct case involving student-athletes and a former tutor who provided improper help with an online test, according to sources close to the process. An FSU official said the number could still grow or decrease. FSU confirmed, in a statement released Tuesday afternoon, up to 25 players will not participate in the bowl. Bobby Bowden did not specifically address the academic misconduct case.
?Some of our players will not travel with us to the bowl game,? Bowden said. ?We have some players not traveling for one reason and some for another, including those who are ineligible for the bowl because of academic issues. We can not be more specific than that at this time.?
?Our staff is in the process of determining what adjustments we must make for the game. We will have a few practices to get our plans in place.?
The total group, according to sources, also includes at least four walk-ons as well as several players who would not have played in the bowl game for reasons other than them being involved in the case.
The interview process continued into this morning when at least one player spoke with FSU officials. A high-placed university source said that the interview process has been completed. Involved players will continue to practice but will not travel with the team to Nashville.
Underclassmen who have admitted wrongdoing are expected to be suspended 3.6 games, including the bowl. Although the exact penalty is believed to have not yet been determined by NCAA, the penalty will carry into next season.
FSU President T.K. Wetherell and Bobby Bowden confirmed last week that players would not participate in the bowl. Wetherell is on vacation.
Lee Hinkle, vice president for University relations, said FSU will not identify the players because of federal student privacy laws.
She added that not all players who will miss the game because of rule violations are tied to the case. Hinkle said the university?s final report into academic misconduct will be completed by the first of the year.
In other FSU news, offensive line coach Rick Trickett was not at practice. He is expected to be interviewing for the West Virginia head coaching vacancy. "
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NoHallNoHallhmmmm......can't rememberNorthern Hall County, GA9,032 postsJoined View profileMessagehmmmm......can't remember
NoHallhmmmm......can't rememberNorthern Hall County, GA9,032 postsJoined View profileMessagehmmmm......can't rememberNice to know that academics are still a priority..!
Smiling JOeSmiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
Smiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal ExpertWith so many eyes and ears out and about, I think one would have to be dumb to take a risk cheating, but then again, they if they were cheating, they fit the bill of being dumb. At least the school has the balls to suspend the players.
If anyone should be ashamed, it should be the players who cheated and their accomplices, not the school or alumni, who in my opinion should be proud that FSU is doing the right thing by benching these players.
If anyone should be ashamed, it should be the players who cheated and their accomplices, not the school or alumni, who in my opinion should be proud that FSU is doing the right thing by benching these players.
KurtKurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdmin
KurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdminWith so many eyes and ears out and about, I think one would have to be dumb to take a risk cheating, but then again, they if they were cheating, they fit the bill of being dumb. At least the school has the balls to suspend the players.
If anyone should be ashamed, it should be the players who cheated and their accomplices, not the school or alumni, who in my opinion should be proud that FSU is doing the right thing by benching these players.
Balls? The university investigated earlier in the year and suspended 2 players. The NCAA investigators came to town and now around 25 are suspended, with possibly more to come. There were many cheaters fom other sports also.
I disagree with you. The school should also be ashamed along with the employees and students who cheated, and the alumni should not be proud.
This is not out of control boosters or agents that the school has little control over. These are employees of the university and scholarship football players committing systematic, widespread, long term academic fraud. What the NCAA may deem "lack of institutional control".
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3159534
The school's investigation found that a tutor gave students answers while they were taking tests and filled in answers on quizzes and typed papers for students.
Smiling JOeSmiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
Smiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal ExpertHang 'em high on the town square! lol. I guess I don't keep up with FSU enough to know about the long term ongoing investigation.
NoHallNoHallhmmmm......can't rememberNorthern Hall County, GA9,032 postsJoined View profileMessagehmmmm......can't remember
NoHallhmmmm......can't rememberNorthern Hall County, GA9,032 postsJoined View profileMessagehmmmm......can't rememberHang 'em high on the town square! lol. I guess I don't keep up with FSU enough to know about the long term ongoing investigation.
There you go again...
drunkkenartistdrunkkenartistBeach FanaticSunny Hills, FL1,733 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
drunkkenartistBeach FanaticSunny Hills, FL1,733 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticBalls? The university investigated earlier in the year and suspended 2 players. The NCAA investigators came to town and now around 25 are suspended, with possibly more to come. There were many cheaters fom other sports also.
I disagree with you. The school should also be ashamed along with the employees and students who cheated, and the alumni should not be proud.
This is not out of control boosters or agents that the school has little control over. These are employees of the university and scholarship football players committing systematic, widespread, long term academic fraud. What the NCAA may deem "lack of institutional control".
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3159534
Wow, Kurt, I wasn't aware of that. I was in the same boat with SJ for a moment there, but I think you just handed us our reality check.
I knew it went on in the schools but not to this extent. This is a lot of people looking away as players are pushed through the system. This is why Bobby has no control over these kids. He has to be aware of it. This is going to leave a black mark on his record. Yet another asterisk in the world of sports.
I'm sure that not only was it allowed to happen, but promoted and put in place by the powers that be to create a team. If we have a good team, there's more income and its all about making money, so the cheating, if not caught is an investment.
Which is why we have the season of a thousand bowl games. Its all about sponsorship and monies to be made.
Makes me sick. Darn shame.
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ShallowsNoleShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
ShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticAs if this is new news. Jeez. Give me a freakin' break.
Yeah, it's a serious problem. No, it should not have happened. Yes, we as fans, alumni and Boosters are angry and disappointed that there were members of our faculty - one Phd and a couple of support staff - that would compromise themselves. Obviously, we are not pleased that so many of our regular students and our student-athletes would take advantage of such a situation. But remember, it was a football player who brought it to the attention of the administration, and in turn our administration (who I do have issues with) reported it to the NCAA and took other proactive steps to curb it.
Again, this is a mess. A mess that should not have happened. But, I challenge any school - ANY school - that offers online education and that allows students who live on campus to take such classes to claim that no form of cheating exists.
Lastly, when relying on media outlets in Florida, always remember which university in our state offers a journalism degree...and while we don't help matters any by giving them something to write about, you can rest assured that if Bobby Bowden farts, it will be reported on the front page, but let ten of their players get arrested during the fall, and somehow all the charges go away...
Yeah, it's a serious problem. No, it should not have happened. Yes, we as fans, alumni and Boosters are angry and disappointed that there were members of our faculty - one Phd and a couple of support staff - that would compromise themselves. Obviously, we are not pleased that so many of our regular students and our student-athletes would take advantage of such a situation. But remember, it was a football player who brought it to the attention of the administration, and in turn our administration (who I do have issues with) reported it to the NCAA and took other proactive steps to curb it.
Again, this is a mess. A mess that should not have happened. But, I challenge any school - ANY school - that offers online education and that allows students who live on campus to take such classes to claim that no form of cheating exists.
Lastly, when relying on media outlets in Florida, always remember which university in our state offers a journalism degree...and while we don't help matters any by giving them something to write about, you can rest assured that if Bobby Bowden farts, it will be reported on the front page, but let ten of their players get arrested during the fall, and somehow all the charges go away...
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Balls? The university investigated earlier in the year and suspended 2 players. The NCAA investigators came to town and now around 25 are suspended, with possibly more to come. There were many cheaters fom other sports also.
I disagree with you. The school should also be ashamed along with the employees and students who cheated, and the alumni should not be proud.
This is not out of control boosters or agents that the school has little control over. These are employees of the university and scholarship football players committing systematic, widespread, long term academic fraud. What the NCAA may deem "lack of institutional control".
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3159534
"Lack of institutional control." The gators have had 20 or so players arrested over the past couple of years. How do you define that if what's happening at FSU is "lack of instituitional control"? Stop acting like a gator and just accept the fact that we all recruit the same element and that you reap what you sow. Show me a fan of a big time college team that denies this and I'll show you a liar.
KurtKurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdmin
KurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdminThe term "lack of institutional control" is one the NCAA rules committee uses for a situation where the head coach and/or administration should have known about a bad situation. It will be interesting to see what they decide when they complete their investigation. The number suspended has grown to 36. I would almost feel sorry for the players if they walked into a situation where cheating was encouraged. But I guess they could have said no.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-ed26307dec26,0,5323233.story
Our position: It's wrong for FSU to marginalize its cheating scandal
December 26, 2007
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-ed26307dec26,0,5323233.story
Our position: It's wrong for FSU to marginalize its cheating scandal
December 26, 2007
This is what amounts to Florida State University coming to grips with its academic scandal.
In the athletic department, they're keying on how the football team will stay competitive in its Dec. 31 bowl game, what with 36 players sidelined, many of them found cheating on exams.
In the president's office, T.K. Wetherell is emphasizing the scandal's smallness.
"A faculty member" and "one rogue tutor," he noted on Friday.
Focusing on the bowl game while working to diminish the scandal's seriousness only highlights FSU's immaturity, however. It's not, simply, about winning; it's also about educating students, athletes included. And it's about admitting failure. There's no shortage at FSU, which the NCAA undoubtedly soon will make clear.
Beach RunnerBeach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hood
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hoodIt's not just FSU where athletes get special treatment. At another university with which I'm very familiar, the athletes get to register before all other students (including seniors), so they get to take the easiest classes and get to pick the professors who are the easiest and who are athlete-friendly. They also have special tutors. Even worse, for core classes that everyone has to take (like calculus), the professors give out two versions of the test -- a "management" version and an "engineering" version. The "management" version is given to athletes and is easier, and the "engineering " version is given to everyone else. One of my daughter's roommates said that someone in her class who was not an athlete raised his hand and asked the professor, "I'm a management major. Can you give me the management version?" The professor said no.
ShallowsNoleShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
ShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticAgain, may I point out that Daddy-O, love him like we do, is quoting such fine media outlets as the Orlando Slantinel. And I'll bet that Mike Biatchi wrote that too.
As embarrassing as this all is, I'm just glad we could amuse the gader nation for a little while.
As embarrassing as this all is, I'm just glad we could amuse the gader nation for a little while.
ShallowsNoleShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
ShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticThey also have special tutors.
And therein lies the root of this whole mess.
KurtKurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdmin
KurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdminTutors are not the problem. I am not amused. As a graduate of the State University System I am embarrassed.
There are a lot of national media focusing on this story and many of them are not as kind as the Florida outlets.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/12/26/cfb.bag.122607/index.html
There are a lot of national media focusing on this story and many of them are not as kind as the Florida outlets.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/12/26/cfb.bag.122607/index.html
Not only has Florida State's program dramatically eroded on the field over the past seven years, but it is currently embroiled in one of the most blatant academic-fraud scandals in recent memory, one for which it will almost certainly endure significant NCAA sanctions. I don't think it's a stretch to say that almost any other head coach in the country, amidst those pair of circumstances, would be out of a job by now. Bowden, on the other hand, just got a raise.
ShallowsNoleShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
ShallowsNoleBeach FanaticPt Washington4,279 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticTutors are not the problem. I am not amused. As a graduate of the State University System I am embarrassed.
So you disagree with the FACT that this particular scandal is rooted around the administration of one online class by one tutor/proctor, who was employed in the Office of Academic Support, and possibly some of her immediate staff?
And how in the HELL was Bowden, or Martin, or Hamilton, or the ladies' hoops coach (whose name escapes me right now), or any of the coaches, supposed to know about this before one of the athletes came forward? I don't think the coaches sit in on classes...and I also don't think they control the significant number of non-athletes who took advantage of a way to make an easy grade.
The truth is, none of us really know yet what is involved. My info comes from several high-ranking boosters and employees within FSU. And from what I hear, there are currently 900 students thought to be affected. Of which, only 36 are on the football team.
And maybe I am really, really sensitive about this, because we are supposed to have a freakin' academic honor code. And because I love Florida State University.
NoHallNoHallhmmmm......can't rememberNorthern Hall County, GA9,032 postsJoined View profileMessagehmmmm......can't remember
NoHallhmmmm......can't rememberNorthern Hall County, GA9,032 postsJoined View profileMessagehmmmm......can't rememberWhat a bizarre ray of sunshine...
As someone who didn't go to Florida or Florida State (or any other university with a football team, for that matter!) it gives me great hope to see everyone so passionately upset about academics for a change. It's hard for me to get excited about athletics at any school when the academic integrity has been going down the toilet for so long. Maybe this will have a good upshot? :idontno:
As someone who didn't go to Florida or Florida State (or any other university with a football team, for that matter!) it gives me great hope to see everyone so passionately upset about academics for a change. It's hard for me to get excited about athletics at any school when the academic integrity has been going down the toilet for so long. Maybe this will have a good upshot? :idontno:
scooterbug44scooterbug44SoWal ExpertSowal16,706 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
scooterbug44SoWal ExpertSowal16,706 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal ExpertWhat a bunch of horse hooey!
Of course coaches and administrators know what is going on - the typical university makes the 2 degrees of 30-A seem disconnected and uninformed. They look the other way or pretend they don't see it because college sports are about $$$. Alumni don't give the big donations for academic achievement, which is why college are constantly "shocked" by cheating scandals and many football and basketball players graduate with degrees in golf - if they get degrees at all!
How many people can say they/their kids have athletes in their classes? There ARE schools who have athletes who graduate with engineering degrees and whose SAT scores are in the 4 digits, but the out-of-control celebrity athlete machine makes them rare.
Of course coaches and administrators know what is going on - the typical university makes the 2 degrees of 30-A seem disconnected and uninformed. They look the other way or pretend they don't see it because college sports are about $$$. Alumni don't give the big donations for academic achievement, which is why college are constantly "shocked" by cheating scandals and many football and basketball players graduate with degrees in golf - if they get degrees at all!
How many people can say they/their kids have athletes in their classes? There ARE schools who have athletes who graduate with engineering degrees and whose SAT scores are in the 4 digits, but the out-of-control celebrity athlete machine makes them rare.
Beach RunnerBeach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hood
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hoodYes, I don't mean to make it seem that all athletes are dummies. Hubby got an 800 on his math SAT and math SAT II and almost got his verbal up to 800, too. He had a full academic scholarship to an Ivy League school, but played basketball at Tulane and ended up with a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from UF. But what I hate is when athletes who have really low SATs get special privileges over really competent students -- so not fair.
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