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In my experience, you call anything the "First Annual ..." and it's doomed.

In my experience, you call anything the &quot;First Annual ...&quot; and it&#039;s doomed.

kkddbb

Banned

this is the good ol boy network in bay county in full force.

as a music junkie and festival goer, im disappointed. but, this lineup stinks. if we could have something more similiar to mag fest, im sure it would be a hit even with the good ol boys..

this is the good ol boy network in bay county in full force. 
 
as a music junkie and festival goer, im disappointed. but, this lineup stinks. if we could have something more similiar to mag fest, im sure it would be a hit even with the good ol boys..

agant

Beach Comber

[b]Man![/b]

Thanks for posting a link, kurt -- and then copying the whole friggin' story. Come on!

-Andrew Gant, News Herald

Man! 
 
Thanks for posting a link, kurt -- and then copying the whole friggin&#039; story. Come on! 
 
-Andrew Gant, News Herald

sunspotbaby

[quote="agant, post: 621048"]Thanks for posting a link, kurt -- and then copying the whole friggin' story. Come on!

-Andrew Gant, News Herald[/quote]


:floor:  we can't have anyone [I]leaving[/I] the sowal site.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="agant">Thanks for posting a link, kurt -- and then copying the whole friggin&#039; story. Come on! 
 
-Andrew Gant, News Herald</blockquote> 
 
:floor: we can&#039;t have anyone leaving the sowal site.

[quote="sunspotbaby, post: 621050"]:floor:  we can't have anyone [I]leaving[/I] the sowal site.[/quote]

No kidding... I hate to be an ass about it, but, [URL="http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html"]copyright[/URL]...

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="sunspotbaby">:floor: we can&#039;t have anyone leaving the sowal site.</blockquote> 
No kidding... I hate to be an ass about it, but, <a href="http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">copyright</a>...

Hey I should add I don't know if Kurt or anyone else on this site has received permission to repost (in entirety) other people's stuff. If that's the case, just ignore me! Otherwise, please cut it out!

Hey I should add I don&#039;t know if Kurt or anyone else on this site has received permission to repost (in entirety) other people&#039;s stuff. If that&#039;s the case, just ignore me! Otherwise, please cut it out!

30A Skunkape

Skunky

They could move thunderbeach to spring break and deputize the bikers to provide security.  What could possibly go wrong?

rehdrahk

Beach Lover

[b]Wow.[/b]

[quote="agant, post: 621052"]No kidding... I hate to be an ass about it, but, [URL="http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html"]copyright[/URL]...[/quote]

How about the "Fair Use" doctorine?

Wow. 
 
<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="agant">No kidding... I hate to be an ass about it, but, <a href="http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">copyright</a>...</blockquote> 
How about the &quot;Fair Use&quot; doctorine?

LuciferSam

[quote="30A Skunkape, post: 621065"]They could move thunderbeach to spring break and deputize the bikers to provide security.  What could possibly go wrong?[/quote]

That's only necessary if we get some rowdy type band like the Stones.  It might be a good idea to give the bikers all the beer they can drink to mellow them out.   No guns for them either, too dangerous. Knives are much safer.  We'll call it Gimme Shelter 2010.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="30A Skunkape">They could move thunderbeach to spring break and deputize the bikers to provide security. What could possibly go wrong?</blockquote> 
That&#039;s only necessary if we get some rowdy type band like the Stones. It might be a good idea to give the bikers all the beer they can drink to mellow them out. No guns for them either, too dangerous. Knives are much safer. We&#039;ll call it Gimme Shelter 2010.

scooterbug44

SoWal Expert

[quote="agant, post: 621052"]No kidding... I hate to be an ass about it, but, [URL="http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html"]copyright[/URL]...[/quote]

At least you're self aware. :roll:

Sorry if you felt Kurt posted too much of your article, but since most of us wouldn't have read it otherwise, and he provided a link, perhaps some perspective would be in order!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="agant">No kidding... I hate to be an ass about it, but, <a href="http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">copyright</a>...</blockquote> 
At least you&#039;re self aware. :roll: 
 
Sorry if you felt Kurt posted too much of your article, but since most of us wouldn&#039;t have read it otherwise, and he provided a link, perhaps some perspective would be in order!

[b]Fair Use Copyright/Doctorine[/b]

I think that Kurt's use of the article falls well into the fair use category. Especially since this is news worthy and would have an impact on many of the members of this forum. 

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[B]The fair use statute:[/B]


   The doctrine of fair use developed over the years as courts tried to balance the rights of copyright owners with society's interest in allowing copying in certain, limited circumstances. This doctrine has at its core a fundamental belief that not all copying should be banned, [B][I]particularly in socially important endeavors such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research.[/I][/B]


    Although the doctrine of fair use was originally created by the judiciary, it is now set forth in the Copyright Act. Under the Act, four factors are to be considered in order to determine whether a specific action is to be considered a "fair use." These factors are as follows: 
   
[LIST=1]
[*]the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
[*]the nature of the copyrighted work;
[*]the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted      work as a whole; and
[*]the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
[/LIST]

[quote="agant, post: 621112"]Well, it wasn't "too much" of it, it was all of it! Typically you post an excerpt and a link. I think I have seen this happening across the forums here, with stories from the News Herald and the Daily News. And it's all copyrighted stuff.[/quote]

Fair Use Copyright/Doctorine 
 
I think that Kurt&#039;s use of the article falls well into the fair use category. Especially since this is news worthy and would have an impact on many of the members of this forum. 
 
******************************************************* 
 
The fair use statute: 
 
 
 The doctrine of fair use developed over the years as courts tried to balance the rights of copyright owners with society&#039;s interest in allowing copying in certain, limited circumstances. This doctrine has at its core a fundamental belief that not all copying should be banned, particularly in socially important endeavors such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research. 
 
 
 Although the doctrine of fair use was originally created by the judiciary, it is now set forth in the Copyright Act. Under the Act, four factors are to be considered in order to determine whether a specific action is to be considered a &quot;fair use.&quot; These factors are as follows: 
 
<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">the nature of the copyrighted work;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.</li>
</ol> 
<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="agant">Well, it wasn&#039;t &quot;too much&quot; of it, it was all of it! Typically you post an excerpt and a link. I think I have seen this happening across the forums here, with stories from the News Herald and the Daily News. And it&#039;s all copyrighted stuff.</blockquote>

[quote="rehdrahk, post: 621121"]I think that Kurt's use of the article falls well into the fair use category. Especially since this is news worthy and would have an impact on many of the members of this forum. 
[/quote]

All due respect, but did you even read all of what you posted. Number 3 on your list of factors:

3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted      work as a whole; 

Here is a quote from the link I provided earlier (you could call this "fair use"):

The "fair use" exemption to (U.S.) copyright law was created to allow things such as commentary, parody, news reporting, research and education about copyrighted works without the permission of the author.  That's vital so that copyright law doesn't block your freedom to express your own works -- only the ability to appropriate [B]other people's[/B].  Intent, and damage to the commercial value of the work are important considerations.  Are you reproducing an article from the [I]New York Times[/I] because you needed to in order to criticise the quality of the New York Times, or because you couldn't find time to write your own story, or didn't want your readers to have to register at the New York Times web site? The first is probably fair use, the others probably aren't.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="rehdrahk">I think that Kurt&#039;s use of the article falls well into the fair use category. Especially since this is news worthy and would have an impact on many of the members of this forum.</blockquote> 
All due respect, but did you even read all of what you posted. Number 3 on your list of factors: 
 
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; 
 
Here is a quote from the link I provided earlier (you could call this &quot;fair use&quot;): 
 
The &quot;fair use&quot; exemption to (U.S.) copyright law was created to allow things such as commentary, parody, news reporting, research and education about copyrighted works without the permission of the author. That&#039;s vital so that copyright law doesn&#039;t block your freedom to express your own works -- only the ability to appropriate other people&#039;s. Intent, and damage to the commercial value of the work are important considerations. Are you reproducing an article from the New York Times because you needed to in order to criticise the quality of the New York Times, or because you couldn&#039;t find time to write your own story, or didn&#039;t want your readers to have to register at the New York Times web site? The first is probably fair use, the others probably aren&#039;t.

[b]Up to interpretation[/b]

I can respect your need to protect your work! I just think that in terms of this particular situation that it may have been more appropriate to ease your opinion in. This forum is made up of many knowledgeable locals who are consistently providing vital information to their community. 

If you honestly feel that posting an article from the paper was done deliberately to spite the paper itself or infringe on copyright laws outright then I think you are highly mistaken about how information is shared here.

I just think that as a new member of the forum it would be in your best interest to play nice and back up your arguments instead of outright attacking a senior member of this site for simply just trying to share information with his fellow forum friends.

Just my opinion. Like I said I can respect you wanting protecting your work and can definitely see your side of the coin!

Up to interpretation 
 
I can respect your need to protect your work! I just think that in terms of this particular situation that it may have been more appropriate to ease your opinion in. This forum is made up of many knowledgeable locals who are consistently providing vital information to their community. 
 
If you honestly feel that posting an article from the paper was done deliberately to spite the paper itself or infringe on copyright laws outright then I think you are highly mistaken about how information is shared here. 
 
I just think that as a new member of the forum it would be in your best interest to play nice and back up your arguments instead of outright attacking a senior member of this site for simply just trying to share information with his fellow forum friends. 
 
Just my opinion. Like I said I can respect you wanting protecting your work and can definitely see your side of the coin!

beachmouse

Every professional and most amateur-run forums I've posted on have limited copyrighted information to a link and then a small (one paragraph) quote from the article to show the most relevant or interesting part of the article. 

When I've seen Kurt post a full article or press release, I've just assumed he had permission of the source to do so, and am surprised if this isn't the case.

Every professional and most amateur-run forums I&#039;ve posted on have limited copyrighted information to a link and then a small (one paragraph) quote from the article to show the most relevant or interesting part of the article. 
 
When I&#039;ve seen Kurt post a full article or press release, I&#039;ve just assumed he had permission of the source to do so, and am surprised if this isn&#039;t the case.

Lynnie

Pretty groovy line-up.  I think I am all for this music fest.

Bluznbeach

Can we let Kurt run his own board and maybe just talk about the concert itself for a minute?  Personally, I think "train wreck" would be an understatement and the promoter is trying to con the PCB folks big-time.  Does anybody honestly believe Paul McCartney would come anywhere near this thing? :floor:  

I think they're right by trying to nip it in the bud and hope they succeed.

Can we let Kurt run his own board and maybe just talk about the concert itself for a minute? Personally, I think &quot;train wreck&quot; would be an understatement and the promoter is trying to con the PCB folks big-time. Does anybody honestly believe Paul McCartney would come anywhere near this thing? :floor: 
 
I think they&#039;re right by trying to nip it in the bud and hope they succeed.

Apologies again if I came off like an ass. I didn't mean for my first post to be an attack. If I'm annoyed it's because we do work hard to provide info and gain traction on our Web site, and to see it routinely copied in its entirety is discouraging.

You have no idea how glad I am that there's interest in local news like this. I just hope in the future, this forum can treat our stories more fairly... like I said, copy some, link to the rest!

I do really admire your community and your site; I'm glad it's here and I hope it stays. Speaking of news stories- I hope you caught Tom McLaughlin's in the Daily News a while back on the community grocery in Red Bay.. I know it's not SoWal but it's just a few miles north, another thing to enjoy about this unique area in general.

Apologies again if I came off like an ass. I didn&#039;t mean for my first post to be an attack. If I&#039;m annoyed it&#039;s because we do work hard to provide info and gain traction on our Web site, and to see it routinely copied in its entirety is discouraging. 
 
You have no idea how glad I am that there&#039;s interest in local news like this. I just hope in the future, this forum can treat our stories more fairly... like I said, copy some, link to the rest! 
 
I do really admire your community and your site; I&#039;m glad it&#039;s here and I hope it stays. Speaking of news stories- I hope you caught Tom McLaughlin&#039;s in the Daily News a while back on the community grocery in Red Bay.. I know it&#039;s not SoWal but it&#039;s just a few miles north, another thing to enjoy about this unique area in general.

Kurt

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[URL="http://www.newsherald.com/news/music-78505-beach-panama.html"]Massive music fest in PCB? No way, council says | music, beach, panama - News - The News Herald[/URL]

check out the lineup at the bottom.

[quote]A giant, three-stage Spring Break music festival based here and broadcast live on YouTube would be a “train wreck” for locals, the City Council said Thursday.

“And I believe that we will regret this for the rest of our lives” if it happens, Ward 4 Councilman Ken Nelson said soon after a promoter laid out his idea.

The proposal, a “1st Annual Beach Scene Music Festival,” a massive corporate-sponsored event featuring almost 60 performers and drawing as many as 100,000 people over two weekends in March 2010, met stern rejection at the council’s regular meeting...............[/quote]


 Potential Line-up:
   No Doubt
Green Day
Doughtry
My Chemical Romance
AFI
Def Leppard
Linkin Park
New Kids on the Block
Beyonce
Black Eyed Peas
Rhianna
Pussycat Dolls
Pink
Kelly Clarkson
Kings of Leon
blink-182
Lady Gaga
Paul McCartney
   Katie Perry
Bloc Party
MxPx
The Academy Is...
The Faint
We The Kings
Cobra Starship
Boys Like Girls
A Skylit Drive
Hey Monday
Forever The Sickest Kids
From First To Last
All Time Low
The Veronicas
   Crystal Castle
Justice
The Presets
Deadmau5
Chromeo
Cascada
Benny Benassi
The Chemical Brothers
Bass Hunter

<a href="http://www.newsherald.com/news/music-78505-beach-panama.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Massive music fest in PCB? No way, council says | music, beach, panama - News - The News Herald</a> 
 
check out the lineup at the bottom. 
 
<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="">A giant, three-stage Spring Break music festival based here and broadcast live on YouTube would be a “train wreck” for locals, the City Council said Thursday. 
 
“And I believe that we will regret this for the rest of our lives” if it happens, Ward 4 Councilman Ken Nelson said soon after a promoter laid out his idea. 
 
The proposal, a “1st Annual Beach Scene Music Festival,” a massive corporate-sponsored event featuring almost 60 performers and drawing as many as 100,000 people over two weekends in March 2010, met stern rejection at the council’s regular meeting...............</blockquote> 
 
 Potential Line-up: 
 No Doubt 
Green Day 
Doughtry 
My Chemical Romance 
AFI 
Def Leppard 
Linkin Park 
New Kids on the Block 
Beyonce 
Black Eyed Peas 
Rhianna 
Pussycat Dolls 
Pink 
Kelly Clarkson 
Kings of Leon 
blink-182 
Lady Gaga 
Paul McCartney 
 Katie Perry 
Bloc Party 
MxPx 
The Academy Is... 
The Faint 
We The Kings 
Cobra Starship 
Boys Like Girls 
A Skylit Drive 
Hey Monday 
Forever The Sickest Kids 
From First To Last 
All Time Low 
The Veronicas 
 Crystal Castle 
Justice 
The Presets 
Deadmau5 
Chromeo 
Cascada 
Benny Benassi 
The Chemical Brothers 
Bass Hunter

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