What school doesn't do this?

Most school send coaches or athletic department reps (usually male) to scout/visit the prospects and save any hotties (if they use them) for campus visits.

Traveling hostesses is apparently stepping it up quite a notch, which is why they are being investigated.

someone please tell me.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/sports/ncaafootball/09tennessee.html

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I don't see what the big deal is. I would not think it illegal for them to go attend a game to watch potential recruits if they did not approach them during or after the game. And as for the one who states they held up signs saying come to Tennessee, I don't believe that one bit. I would have to be shown some physical proof of that. They are always looking for any type of dirt they can on Tennessee. :roll:

A college sending whores hundreds of miles to entice recruits? Um, why do you think that SHOULDN'T be investigated?

A friend of mine was a "Gator Getter" at UF. Attractive female undergrads were asked to host athletic recruits, and she accepted. There were very strict rules regarding behavior and dress. She likes to flirt, but not interested in more than that for many reasons.

this sort of thing has been going on since the beginning of time.
i'm not sure about the hostess traveling aspect, but i'm sure it happens more often than we think.

this sort of thing has been going on since the beginning of time.
i'm not sure about the hostess traveling aspect, but i'm sure it happens more often than we think.

Which is why Erma refers to motherhood as the world's second oldest profession. :roll:

What is wrong with trying to emphasize the student in student-athlete? Bearing in mind a college athlete has a 7% chance of going pro.

I think all schools border on what is legit and not; regarding sports. Tennessee is just under the radar right now, because Kiffin is outspoken and went to a bowl game his first year. He is making others nervous.

Next week, it will be some other school.

this sort of thing has been going on since the beginning of time.
i'm not sure about the hostess traveling aspect, but i'm sure it happens more often than we think.

It's hard to imagine it not being like that. You've got to provide incentive. At that age, well, need I say more?

Incentives?

You mean like the free education that saves them tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, the free lodging and food, the clothes, the tutors, and the travel?

A college sending whores hundreds of miles to entice recruits? Um, why do you think that SHOULDN'T be investigated?

So they are automatically whores? I have seen whores walking the streets here in Memphis, see them every day while driving to work and they sure don't look anything like that! She definitely does not fit that description but whatever! :roll: Like Aggie said, I'm sure every college has them, but nothing is mentioned about the goings on with these girls at the other SEC schools, just Tennessee. How ironic that everyone is always trying to dig up dirt on Tennessee to get them in trouble with the NCAA. Obviously people fear the Vols and Lane Kiffin now. :lol:

Which is why Erma refers to motherhood as the world's second oldest profession. :roll:

What is wrong with trying to emphasize the student in student-athlete? Bearing in mind a college athlete has a 7% chance of going pro.

No kidding.

What do you call a woman who is paid or given goods/services in exchange for enticing men?

Incentives?

You mean like the free education that saves them tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, the free lodging and food, the clothes, the tutors, and the travel?

That's a given. Every cake needs icing.

What do you call a woman who is paid or given goods/services in exchange for enticing men?

Fully emplyoyed.

maybe that's how stanford got tiger

Fully emplyoyed.

:lolabove: :clap:

:lolabove: :clap:

This is a true story my dad told me. We'll call him Papa Lucifer. Back during the depression young Papa Lucifer and his mother Granny Lucifer were taking the train across town. Also on the train was a prostitute. Papa Lucifer made some snide remark about her to Granny Lucifer. Granny was furious and almost slapped the shiiite out of him right then and there. She said these women are human beings and they're just trying to make a living and if he ever made a remark like that again she'd throw him out of the house. I'm not sure what this says. I guess in my family we like prostitutes?? :idontno: Whatever, it's a good story.😀

It shouldn't matter who does what. If there is more than one school doing this, then perhaps if they are going to investigate my beloved vols, then perhaps they should investigate all schools who are doing this. Sounds fair, eye for an eye hey mate!! Besides, if you are going to throw one college under the bus for doing it, then you have to throw them all under the bus. That makes more sense to me, otherwise its best to let it be & go find something else to do. You can't single out one school for doing it if you aren't going to single them all out.

Fully employed.

:rofl:

maybe that's how stanford got tiger

:rofl: You may be right!

It shouldn't matter who does what. If there is more than one school doing this, then perhaps if they are going to investigate my beloved vols, then perhaps they should investigate all schools who are doing this. Sounds fair, eye for an eye hey mate!! Besides, if you are going to throw one college under the bus for doing it, then you have to throw them all under the bus. That makes more sense to me, otherwise its best to let it be & go find something else to do.

I certainly expect them to investigate any school acting in this way - but so far it seems that this school went a little further than the others and that is the reason for the investigation.

This is a true story my dad told me. We'll call him Papa Lucifer. Back during the depression young Papa Lucifer and his mother Granny Lucifer were taking the train across town. Also on the train was a prostitute. Papa Lucifer made some snide remark about her to Granny Lucifer. Granny was furious and almost slapped the shiiite out of him right then and there. She said these women are human beings and they're just trying to make a living and if he ever made a remark like that again she'd throw him out of the house. I'm not sure what this says. I guess in my family we like prostitutes?? :idontno: Whatever, it's a good story.😀

I believe Granny Lucifer was a realist - but don't think you can compare the plight of the pictured Tennessee FB hostess and a woman trying to survive during the Great Depression. One's a whore and one has sex for money. :roll:

One's a whore

do we know for certain that she bumped uglies?

do we know for certain that she bumped uglies?

Of course not. This labeling and name calling regarding sexual behavior and whether money was exchanged, blah! blah! blah! is crap, always has been. Well at least that's what old Madame Lucifer used to tell me.:lol:

I googled this issue of using hostesses on campus and found that Bear Bryant was the first to use hostesses when he was the coach of Bama. Here is what I found on that information. And who has proof she engaged in and was being paid for services that a whore would???

Deadspin 3 days ago

Here is the entire article:

Brief History Of Campus Recruiting Hostesses

We hope you didn't get the impression that Tennessee is the only school to use attractive young ladies as bait to lure prospective athletes, because it's actually a college football tradition as revered as marching bands and beer bongs.

According to the legends, the practice was first instituted in the 1960's by Bear Bryant at Alabama. His Bear's Angels became a staple of the college recruiting landscape, and in their own way, became more famous than the recruits themselves. The groups were usually created and organized by school officials—these days they are often attached to the school admissions office—but operated in a shady netherworld as a vital part of any large program, yet detached from the athletic department in an intricate web of plausible deniability.

The groups are particularly popular in the Southeast and West and while they are sometimes affiliated with sports like basketball and baseball, they tend to focus on football recruits, which are greater in number and more valuable. Since coaches can't spend more than a few minutes with any single recruit and his family when they come for their 48-hour campus visits, it's up to the hostess to give tours, answer questions, and—in the evening when the parents go back to their own hotels—provide entertainment.

The practice went mostly unquestioned and under the radar for years, but two incidents earlier this decade brought these groups into focus. In late 2001, a female student at the University of Colorado claimed she was raped by football players and football recruits at a party she was hosting on their behalf. (It was the second such incident at CU in five years.) Then in 2003, a campus newspaper's investigation into Arizona State's all-female recruiting group revealed that members routinely supplied underage recruits with wild parties, alcohol and occasionally sex while serving as hostesses.

The ASU article revealed intriguing details about the structure of these groups and their relationships to the teams they support. The Sun Devils coach and athletic director at the time essentially admitted that they knew very little about how the group worked—and that was the way they liked it. According to then-AD Gene Smith:

"When you begin to formalize a relationship based upon a contract — that's why my wife and I don't have a prenup[tual] — you are actually challenging whether or not you have trust in that relationship. I trust our student athletes. I trust the young ladies who have volunteered to be a part of this program. I am not an individual that believes in setting up structure, setting up contracts to make an organization successful."

The team may have been responsible for the recruits' well-being while on campus, yet once they turned them over to these other students the kids were no longer in their jurisdiction. The hostesses were never given orders about what to do—remember the trust?—but they were also never told what not to do. One of the group members told the paper that the hostesses were never given guidance about what constituted a recruiting violation. After all, if they knew what the rules were, then the girls might have to follow them.

Similar tales came out of Oregon and other programs, with many women saying that while the school didn't ask them to do inappropriate things, the recruits themselves often felt entitled to more than just a nice meal. ("One high-profile recruit, she says, tried to lure her to his hotel room, saying, "The girls at Kentucky and Georgia did it.")

There are also two essential facts that every hostess group shares. One, is that they are almost universally female-only. The groups were all given cutesy names like the Texas Angels, the Hurricane Honeys, the Bengal Babes, the Stately Ladies, the Black-Eyed Susans, the Tigerettes, the Crimson Courters (Bear's Angels eventually became the 'Bama Belles) and recruit heavily from the school's sororities. (Those ladies are very big into public relations!)

And the second truth is that if they work for another school besides the one you attend, then they are all whores. (Your girls, on the other hand, are wonderful, fresh-faced ambassadors for goodness and chastity.) No one is ever told to have sex with a recruit or get him drunk or promise him that m?nage ? trois is basically a freshman seminar, but when a bunch of attractive horny college-age kids get together with a pony keg, nature will run its course. It doesn't take much for a recruit to fall in love with his host and, by extension, her school.

As a result of the ASU and Colorado stories (and other lurid tales of strip clubs and sexual assaults) the NCAA began to crack down on these groups, although obviously they still exist as official organizations at Tennessee and many other places. The NCAA instituted new guidelines in 2004, stating that such groups could not officially be gender specific, although they are still heavily weighted toward the ladies. Shortly after that ruling, the original 'Bama Belles were disbanded.

I googled this issue of using hostesses on campus and found that Bear Bryant was the first to use hostesses when he was the coach of Bama. Here is what I found on that information. And who has proof she engaged in and was being paid for services that a whore would???

Deadspin 3 days ago

Here is the entire article:

Brief History Of Campus Recruiting Hostesses

We hope you didn't get the impression that Tennessee is the only school to use attractive young ladies as bait to lure prospective athletes, because it's actually a college football tradition as revered as marching bands and beer bongs.

According to the legends, the practice was first instituted in the 1960's by Bear Bryant at Alabama. His Bear's Angels became a staple of the college recruiting landscape, and in their own way, became more famous than the recruits themselves. The groups were usually created and organized by school officials?these days they are often attached to the school admissions office?but operated in a shady netherworld as a vital part of any large program, yet detached from the athletic department in an intricate web of plausible deniability.

The groups are particularly popular in the Southeast and West and while they are sometimes affiliated with sports like basketball and baseball, they tend to focus on football recruits, which are greater in number and more valuable. Since coaches can't spend more than a few minutes with any single recruit and his family when they come for their 48-hour campus visits, it's up to the hostess to give tours, answer questions, and?in the evening when the parents go back to their own hotels?provide entertainment.

The practice went mostly unquestioned and under the radar for years, but two incidents earlier this decade brought these groups into focus. In late 2001, a female student at the University of Colorado claimed she was raped by football players and football recruits at a party she was hosting on their behalf. (It was the second such incident at CU in five years.) Then in 2003, a campus newspaper's investigation into Arizona State's all-female recruiting group revealed that members routinely supplied underage recruits with wild parties, alcohol and occasionally sex while serving as hostesses.

The ASU article revealed intriguing details about the structure of these groups and their relationships to the teams they support. The Sun Devils coach and athletic director at the time essentially admitted that they knew very little about how the group worked?and that was the way they liked it. According to then-AD Gene Smith:

"When you begin to formalize a relationship based upon a contract ? that's why my wife and I don't have a prenup[tual] ? you are actually challenging whether or not you have trust in that relationship. I trust our student athletes. I trust the young ladies who have volunteered to be a part of this program. I am not an individual that believes in setting up structure, setting up contracts to make an organization successful."

The team may have been responsible for the recruits' well-being while on campus, yet once they turned them over to these other students the kids were no longer in their jurisdiction. The hostesses were never given orders about what to do?remember the trust??but they were also never told what not to do. One of the group members told the paper that the hostesses were never given guidance about what constituted a recruiting violation. After all, if they knew what the rules were, then the girls might have to follow them.

Similar tales came out of Oregon and other programs, with many women saying that while the school didn't ask them to do inappropriate things, the recruits themselves often felt entitled to more than just a nice meal. ("One high-profile recruit, she says, tried to lure her to his hotel room, saying, "The girls at Kentucky and Georgia did it.")

There are also two essential facts that every hostess group shares. One, is that they are almost universally female-only. The groups were all given cutesy names like the Texas Angels, the Hurricane Honeys, the Bengal Babes, the Stately Ladies, the Black-Eyed Susans, the Tigerettes, the Crimson Courters (Bear's Angels eventually became the 'Bama Belles) and recruit heavily from the school's sororities. (Those ladies are very big into public relations!)

And the second truth is that if they work for another school besides the one you attend, then they are all whores. (Your girls, on the other hand, are wonderful, fresh-faced ambassadors for goodness and chastity.) No one is ever told to have sex with a recruit or get him drunk or promise him that m?nage ? trois is basically a freshman seminar, but when a bunch of attractive horny college-age kids get together with a pony keg, nature will run its course. It doesn't take much for a recruit to fall in love with his host and, by extension, her school.

As a result of the ASU and Colorado stories (and other lurid tales of strip clubs and sexual assaults) the NCAA began to crack down on these groups, although obviously they still exist as official organizations at Tennessee and many other places. The NCAA instituted new guidelines in 2004, stating that such groups could not officially be gender specific, although they are still heavily weighted toward the ladies. Shortly after that ruling, the original 'Bama Belles were disbanded.

I googled 'bears angels bama' and got this image. Busted. Although, upon review the 'bear' head looks like the gopher from Caddyshack. Unleash the NCAA hounds upon Alabama for this violation!

I googled 'bears angels bama' and got this image. Busted. Although, upon review the 'bear' head looks like the gopher from Caddyshack. Unleash the NCAA hounds upon Alabama for this violation!

Sorry Skunky, but he did not use this type of bear to recruit. :lol: But funny though.