A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale, really cheap. Actually, I will pay someone to haul them off from Walton County if you promise they want step foot back into Walton County politricks.
Thank God for Cindy Meadows and Sara Commander, but tonight, Walton County was one vote short. :bang: Based on the precedence set tonight at the WalCo Annex, anyone can do what ever the hell they want to when it comes to developing property, because the BCC relies upon the Planning Staff and the Planning Staff says that they rely on the applicant (developer). :twisted:
A few people hired some very impressive lawyers (you know how much I hate lawyers, but I would welcome Mike Burke to represent me regarding real estate ) who ripped a new @$$ into the County Planner in charge of this NatureWalk Beach Club project. He ran Planner Tim Brown through the ringer, poking many holes in Mr. Brown's reasoning, showing numerous ways how this proposal for the Beach Club is not allowed based on the Walton County Comp Plan and based on Non-conforming use. Commissioners Pridgen and Jones voted in favor of Comm Brannon's motion. Commissioner Jones even had the audacity to state that he was voting based on evidence presented and the recommendation of the Staff. As a reminder, the Staff Planner, Tim Brown, contradicted his statements, and gave testimony that the project exceeded things like density, and allowable footprint.
Under the Non-conforming issue, a building can not be expanded or it loses its non-conforming use. This Beach Club will triple the square footage of the existing buildings.
I won't go into the details, but know that some of the Walton County Commissioners are not listening to the evidence given and they are basing their votes on something out of this world. I guess it would help if the Commissioners were required to actually remain in the room during the time when evidence and testimony is given. :bang:
A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale, really cheap. Remember it!
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John RJohn Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out more
John Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out moreRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
I must agree with Smiling JOe. Commissioner Meadows publically stated the nature walk issue was a trainwreck that she was pretty bummed out that staff had put them in the position of presiding over.
staff clearly stated that they had nothing on the books to be able to deal with just this scenario(and have been asking for it for forever) so the burden of proof was on the applicant's attorney to prove compatibility. we'll when you have no backup, the burden of proof get quite easy to provide, just say so. exactly what george miller did. so, he's right. ridiculous.
Commander, held up an inch thick stack of correspondance from people in the neighborhood opposing this debacle and stated she couldn't support it. Meadows stated that it was totally not what the neighborhood was about, but the boys just railroaded it through. It seems that big developemnet just gets it's way in Walton County. want to build something where you will have to get squeezed for a while, but know it will go through anyway? Just step right up to 30A, and our BCC will give you a green light. An amazing piece of embarassing history I witnessed tonight.
If this continues, look out, the entire beachfront is going to be bought up by developers for private use, 3x the density.
I must agree with Smiling JOe. Commissioner Meadows publically stated the nature walk issue was a trainwreck that she was pretty bummed out that staff had put them in the position of presiding over.
staff clearly stated that they had nothing on the books to be able to deal with just this scenario(and have been asking for it for forever) so the burden of proof was on the applicant's attorney to prove compatibility. we'll when you have no backup, the burden of proof get quite easy to provide, just say so. exactly what george miller did. so, he's right. ridiculous.
Commander, held up an inch thick stack of correspondance from people in the neighborhood opposing this debacle and stated she couldn't support it. Meadows stated that it was totally not what the neighborhood was about, but the boys just railroaded it through. It seems that big developemnet just gets it's way in Walton County. want to build something where you will have to get squeezed for a while, but know it will go through anyway? Just step right up to 30A, and our BCC will give you a green light. An amazing piece of embarassing history I witnessed tonight.
If this continues, look out, the entire beachfront is going to be bought up by developers for private use, 3x the density.
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JdargJdargSoWal Expert18,040 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
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Bobby JBobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Bobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
:bang: Can you imagine the mess when construction begins!!!!!
:bang: Can you imagine the mess when construction begins!!!!!
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since you can't see my face, imagine the look of shock when i learned that local govt was made up of people who are either incompetent or corrupt. combine that with some of the most criminal and unethical business people i've ever encountered in my life and well..i wish i was surprised.
hahahaha! yeah...you know you're jaded when you can manage a poker face while reading SJ's article.
since you can't see my face, imagine the look of shock when i learned that local govt was made up of people who are either incompetent or corrupt. combine that with some of the most criminal and unethical business people i've ever encountered in my life and well..i wish i was surprised.
hahahaha! yeah...you know you're jaded when you can manage a poker face while reading SJ's article.
seagroverseagroverBeach FanaticSeagrove Beach, FL802 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
seagroverBeach FanaticSeagrove Beach, FL802 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
And for those of us behind Cindy Meadows and Sara Commander and opposed to the others, it is up to us Walton County voters to make sure these names are remembered at the voting boxes this next time!!!
I live off 30-a & Andalusia and can't imagine what a mess this is going to bring to our area!!! The traffic has been horrible just for Spring Break this year - the worst is yet to come - thanks guys - we will remember this!!!
And for those of us behind Cindy Meadows and Sara Commander and opposed to the others, it is up to us Walton County voters to make sure these names are remembered at the voting boxes this next time!!!
I live off 30-a & Andalusia and can't imagine what a mess this is going to bring to our area!!! The traffic has been horrible just for Spring Break this year - the worst is yet to come - thanks guys - we will remember this!!!
Busta HustleBusta HustleBeach Fanatic434 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
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Good morning boys and girls. Do you think maybe we need more transparency in our local government? One place we should start is on the county web site. Counties around us have public records of all development orders approved and under review as well as permits approved and pulled or pending. I would love to know with all the rubber stamped approvals of new developments as well as neighborhood infills just how many toilets will be flushing into our waste water plant if they were all built out. I've been to commisioner meetings and heard Anita Page explain what the laws on the books mean only to have it thrown back as "too vague". There may not be enough impact fees in the world to clean up the potential mess we are allowing to this fragile environment.
Good morning boys and girls. Do you think maybe we need more transparency in our local government? One place we should start is on the county web site. Counties around us have public records of all development orders approved and under review as well as permits approved and pulled or pending. I would love to know with all the rubber stamped approvals of new developments as well as neighborhood infills just how many toilets will be flushing into our waste water plant if they were all built out. I've been to commisioner meetings and heard Anita Page explain what the laws on the books mean only to have it thrown back as "too vague". There may not be enough impact fees in the world to clean up the potential mess we are allowing to this fragile environment.
PaulaPaulaBeach FanaticMichigan but someday in SoWal as well3,747 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
PaulaBeach FanaticMichigan but someday in SoWal as well3,747 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
Let's get some of our community/environment minded SoWallers to run for local office. I think some of the people on this board would be wonderful representatives of the community/environment. Unfortunately, I can't vote in SoWal, but I would certainly add whatever kind of support I can since I'm a property owner and expect that we'll spend more and more time there in the years to come.
Let's get some of our community/environment minded SoWallers to run for local office. I think some of the people on this board would be wonderful representatives of the community/environment. Unfortunately, I can't vote in SoWal, but I would certainly add whatever kind of support I can since I'm a property owner and expect that we'll spend more and more time there in the years to come.
Beachlover2Beachlover2Beach FanaticSoWal819 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Beachlover2Beach FanaticSoWal819 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
Tangent - is this the Anita Page that sailed across the Atlantic alone in a J Boat
Good morning boys and girls. Do you think maybe we need more transparency in our local government? One place we should start is on the county web site. Counties around us have public records of all development orders approved and under review as well as permits approved and pulled or pending. I would love to know with all the rubber stamped approvals of new developments as well as neighborhood infills just how many toilets will be flushing into our waste water plant if they were all built out. I've been to commisioner meetings and heard Anita Page explain what the laws on the books mean only to have it thrown back as "too vague". There may not be enough impact fees in the world to clean up the potential mess we are allowing to this fragile environment.
Tangent - is this the Anita Page that sailed across the Atlantic alone in a J Boat
rapunzelrapunzelBeach FanaticPoint Washington2,514 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
rapunzelBeach FanaticPoint Washington2,514 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
They say all local politics is name recognition...I think I should run for one of those other posts and ride Sara's coattails, no?
The thing is...we used to have only one decent commissioner (Meadows), and now we have Comander. Things are improving. When is the next election?
They say all local politics is name recognition...I think I should run for one of those other posts and ride Sara's coattails, no?
The thing is...we used to have only one decent commissioner (Meadows), and now we have Comander. Things are improving. When is the next election?
kathydwellskathydwellsDarlene is my middle name, not my nicknameLacey's Spring, Alabama13,303 postsJoined View profileMessageDarlene is my middle name, not my nickname
kathydwellsDarlene is my middle name, not my nicknameLacey's Spring, Alabama13,303 postsJoined View profileMessageDarlene is my middle name, not my nicknameRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
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seagroverseagroverBeach FanaticSeagrove Beach, FL802 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
seagroverBeach FanaticSeagrove Beach, FL802 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
If anyone would like to comment directly to Walton county Commissioners, please do so.
Commissioners
Scott Brannon brascott@co.Walton.fl.us
Kenneth Pridgen prikenneth@co.Walton.fl.us
Larry Jones jonlarry@co.Walton.fl.us
Sara Comander comsara@co.Walton.fl.us
Cindy Measows meacindy@co.Walton.fl.us
If anyone would like to comment directly to Walton county Commissioners, please do so.
Commissioners
Scott Brannon brascott@co.Walton.fl.us
Kenneth Pridgen prikenneth@co.Walton.fl.us
Larry Jones jonlarry@co.Walton.fl.us
Sara Comander comsara@co.Walton.fl.us
Cindy Measows meacindy@co.Walton.fl.us
JCJCBeach LoverGrayton, Mallet Bayou, B'ham170 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
JCBeach LoverGrayton, Mallet Bayou, B'ham170 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach LoverRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
Where is the NatureWalk Beach Club project
Where is the NatureWalk Beach Club project
A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale, really cheap. Actually, I will pay someone to haul them off from Walton County if you promise they want step foot back into Walton County politricks.
Thank God for Cindy Meadows and Sara Commander, but tonight, Walton County was one vote short. :bang: Based on the precedence set tonight at the WalCo Annex, anyone can do what ever the hell they want to when it comes to developing property, because the BCC relies upon the Planning Staff and the Planning Staff says that they rely on the applicant (developer). :twisted:
A few people hired some very impressive lawyers (you know how much I hate lawyers, but I would welcome Mike Burke to represent me regarding real estate ) who ripped a new @$$ into the County Planner in charge of this NatureWalk Beach Club project. He ran Planner Tim Brown through the ringer, poking many holes in Mr. Brown's reasoning, showing numerous ways how this proposal for the Beach Club is not allowed based on the Walton County Comp Plan and based on Non-conforming use. Commissioners Pridgen and Jones voted in favor of Comm Brannon's motion. Commissioner Jones even had the audacity to state that he was voting based on evidence presented and the recommendation of the Staff. As a reminder, the Staff Planner, Tim Brown, contradicted his statements, and gave testimony that the project exceeded things like density, and allowable footprint.
Under the Non-conforming issue, a building can not be expanded or it loses its non-conforming use. This Beach Club will triple the square footage of the existing buildings.
I won't go into the details, but know that some of the Walton County Commissioners are not listening to the evidence given and they are basing their votes on something out of this world. I guess it would help if the Commissioners were required to actually remain in the room during the time when evidence and testimony is given. :bang:
A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale, really cheap. Remember it!
BeachSteelersBeachSteelersBeach FanaticSeagrove473 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
BeachSteelersBeach FanaticSeagrove473 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticStunning Decision, Not !
Thank You to the 3 Walton County CommiZars who think it best to put a WalMart Size Beachclub in the Middle of Seagrove Beach. Despite Community objections and Invalid building Coventants it appears Big Developement has won again. Wake up 30A if it can happen here it means more obscene developements to come on down the road. Goodbye Turtle Nesting. Welcome to the 7am to 10 pm nuisance soon to invade Seagrove Beach. Welcome to the added Traffic at the 395 stop. While we're at it can't we repeal the 4 story building heights. Let's aim for 50 stories. Panama City's beach sure looks good. Plus that'd bring plenty of campaign envelopes stuffed with Fifties. What else can we all do to appease these developers?
Thank You to the 3 Walton County CommiZars who think it best to put a WalMart Size Beachclub in the Middle of Seagrove Beach. Despite Community objections and Invalid building Coventants it appears Big Developement has won again. Wake up 30A if it can happen here it means more obscene developements to come on down the road. Goodbye Turtle Nesting. Welcome to the 7am to 10 pm nuisance soon to invade Seagrove Beach. Welcome to the added Traffic at the 395 stop. While we're at it can't we repeal the 4 story building heights. Let's aim for 50 stories. Panama City's beach sure looks good. Plus that'd bring plenty of campaign envelopes stuffed with Fifties. What else can we all do to appease these developers?
TreeFrogTreeFrogBeach FanaticSeagrove1,793 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
TreeFrogBeach FanaticSeagrove1,793 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticRe: A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale
It replaces the Seagrove Villas, just east of where 395 intersects 30A.
<Jaundiced viewpoint mode on>
Can't say it's surpising that they voted as they did. After all, they've prviously approved all the other big projects that have sprung up on 30A.
<Oops, jaundiced viewpoint mode won't switch off>
Do we want SoWal to look like Destin, only 4 stories high? It's going to take some serious activism to counter this trend. We can't just sit here and post about it on SoWal. The BCC has to realize that we have the $$$ and the votes. For all the BCC catering to the big developers, I expect that some serious analysis would show that WE are the tax base in Walton County. Their holdings (other than St. Joe) are probably quite small compared to ours. Can't we leverage that?
PS - If anyone's thinking of running for BCC, don't run as a Democrat in WalCo. :bang:
Where is the NatureWalk Beach Club project
It replaces the Seagrove Villas, just east of where 395 intersects 30A.
<Jaundiced viewpoint mode on>
Can't say it's surpising that they voted as they did. After all, they've prviously approved all the other big projects that have sprung up on 30A.
<Oops, jaundiced viewpoint mode won't switch off>
Do we want SoWal to look like Destin, only 4 stories high? It's going to take some serious activism to counter this trend. We can't just sit here and post about it on SoWal. The BCC has to realize that we have the $$$ and the votes. For all the BCC catering to the big developers, I expect that some serious analysis would show that WE are the tax base in Walton County. Their holdings (other than St. Joe) are probably quite small compared to ours. Can't we leverage that?
PS - If anyone's thinking of running for BCC, don't run as a Democrat in WalCo. :bang:
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NotnKansasNotnKansasBeach LoverSOWAL, FL207 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
NotnKansasBeach LoverSOWAL, FL207 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach LoverRe: Stunning Decision, Not !
Where is this going to be? Wow - we need to get away from the PCB outlook! If I wanted to live with all of the traffic and trashy buildings, I would have moved there! :idontno:
Where is this going to be? Wow - we need to get away from the PCB outlook! If I wanted to live with all of the traffic and trashy buildings, I would have moved there! :idontno:
rapunzelrapunzelBeach FanaticPoint Washington2,514 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
rapunzelBeach FanaticPoint Washington2,514 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticRe: Stunning Decision, Not !
Well, I wrote to the three commissioners. I'd suggest others do the same. If last night did nothing else, it illustrated perfectly who is in the pocket of developers and who is honest and has healthy respect for the laws. It's time for those of us complaining to start getting involved politically.
Well, I wrote to the three commissioners. I'd suggest others do the same. If last night did nothing else, it illustrated perfectly who is in the pocket of developers and who is honest and has healthy respect for the laws. It's time for those of us complaining to start getting involved politically.
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rapunzel, please don't stop with only the three emails. Be sure to let Commissioners Commander and Meadows know that you are thankful for their votes against Comm. Brannon's motion, last night. They need to know that their decision was the right decision. Too often, Commissioners here only the negative.
rapunzel, please don't stop with only the three emails. Be sure to let Commissioners Commander and Meadows know that you are thankful for their votes against Comm. Brannon's motion, last night. They need to know that their decision was the right decision. Too often, Commissioners here only the negative.
kathydwellskathydwellsDarlene is my middle name, not my nicknameLacey's Spring, Alabama13,303 postsJoined View profileMessageDarlene is my middle name, not my nickname
kathydwellsDarlene is my middle name, not my nicknameLacey's Spring, Alabama13,303 postsJoined View profileMessageDarlene is my middle name, not my nicknameRe: Stunning Decision, Not !
Where the Seagrove Villa's and Motel currently reside. :(
Where is this going to be? Wow - we need to get away from the PCB outlook! If I wanted to live with all of the traffic and trashy buildings, I would have moved there! :idontno:
Where the Seagrove Villa's and Motel currently reside. :(
TooFarTampaTooFarTampaSoWal InsiderNative of Tampa now in Boston 'burbs. Left my hear5,422 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
TooFarTampaSoWal InsiderNative of Tampa now in Boston 'burbs. Left my hear5,422 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal InsiderRe: Stunning Decision, Not !
Has anyone seen renderings or literature detailing the plans? As far as developments go, the main area of NatureWalk seems like such a nice one ... so much green space and thoughtfulness. What on earth is the beach club supposed to look like, exactly?
I believe NatureWalk paid $16 million for the Villas, so I guess they will be trying to recoup some of the investment on condos at the beach club. But it is odd to me that someone who got kudos on this site and in the community for taking great care with site planning would want to throw up something huge and unsuitable on a the beachfront parcel.
I just expected more. So someone, please elaborate more about the beach club plans. I want to hear what these commissioners agreed to.
Has anyone seen renderings or literature detailing the plans? As far as developments go, the main area of NatureWalk seems like such a nice one ... so much green space and thoughtfulness. What on earth is the beach club supposed to look like, exactly?
I believe NatureWalk paid $16 million for the Villas, so I guess they will be trying to recoup some of the investment on condos at the beach club. But it is odd to me that someone who got kudos on this site and in the community for taking great care with site planning would want to throw up something huge and unsuitable on a the beachfront parcel.
I just expected more. So someone, please elaborate more about the beach club plans. I want to hear what these commissioners agreed to.
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