Condo that would destroy part of beach dune draws controversy
SEAGROVE BEACH ? Plans for a small development are stirring up some big controversy over sand dunes.
Angelos, a 24-unit condominium project, is slated for 3.57 acres of gulf-front property south of San Roy Road.
It might have gone unnoticed because of its small size in relation to many other developments in South Walton County.
But the developer?s plan to tear up a portion of a primary dune system on the property is getting attention.
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/article/7378
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Beach Fanatic
Please excuse me for making a false assumption, okay? BTW we walked it because we just wanted to see firsthand what all the fuss was about.
From your photograph, it looks like the dune is almost the entire lot. Are you saying that you walked "on the dune"? :nono1: ;-)
SoWal InsiderAuthor
From your photograph, it looks like the dune is almost the entire lot. Are you saying that you walked "on the dune"? :nono1: ;-)
That's nothing compared to what the Caterpillar bulldozer and a crew of illegals are going to do to it soon.
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Beach Fanatic
can someone explain to me why any investor/developer is building anything more in SoWal right now? There is so much inventory, so few sales, and it is becoming so overcrowded....
I can see someone building a house to live in or rent...but a condo complex?
Do developers not do market research the way other business people do?
I can see someone building a house to live in or rent...but a condo complex?
Do developers not do market research the way other business people do?
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Meow
can someone explain to me why any investor/developer is building anything more in SoWal right now? There is so much inventory, so few sales, and it is becoming so overcrowded....
I can see someone building a house to live in or rent...but a condo complex?
Do developers not do market research the way other business people do?
...I am not laughing at you goodwitch, but greed trumps everything...even good sense!
beats on hood
From your photograph, it looks like the dune is almost the entire lot. Are you saying that you walked "on the dune"? :nono1: ;-)LOL. No, we walked the perimeter. BTW my "circle" is an approximation. The Google photo doesn't show the fence that exists now which delineates the north side of the property.
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Beach Fanatic
LOL. No, we walked the perimeter. BTW my "circle" is an approximation. The Google photo doesn't show the fence that exists now which delineates the north side of the property.
Beach Fanatic
Miss Kitty, I understand that greed trumps everything in some people; but, even greed won't work here when there is so much unsold and the overbuilding is destroying the very thing that makes the area attractive which makes the greed "work."
Oh, hell, you're right-- there is no good sense in this situation.....
Oh, hell, you're right-- there is no good sense in this situation.....
SoWal Expert
I think that if logic was the determining factor they wouldn't be building condos 1) on a dune 2) out of scale with the the neighborhood 3) in an area w/ limited access 4) with "private" beach
Meow
Miss Kitty, I understand that greed trumps everything in some people; but, even greed won't work here when there is so much unsold and the overbuilding is destroying the very thing that makes the area attractive which makes the greed "work."
Oh, hell, you're right-- there is no good sense in this situation.....
...I know, it sux. What can we do???? Help me...I can pay taxes, but cannot vote! 
Beach Comber
Dear Shelly,
Where do you live? In one of those house or condo's that does not belong on the beacheach. Or are you are just a citizen from afara that just love an unspoiled beach. I suggest at one time your house or condo was not there also and you destoroyed someone's paradise. Give it a break, you live here too. Let others build and come and enjoy it or move on. I am tired off listening to you and others codemnation of builders as evil. It is not just your paradise. It is mine and others too. Responsible builder are building on their land. You live here somewhere so your house is an abomination also. Get over it:angry: !
"Responsible Building" is based on supply and demand. I don't know if you've driven around SOWAL lately but the supply outweighs the demand considerably. There are more than 20 vacant, (yes, vacant-non furnished) homes in my neigborhood alone just sitting, most with the A/C cranking. Let's use logic....
Beach Crab
SeaGrove Lover, I agree, also, is that not a private beach ??? if that is the real issue with these people, plus just dont want anything built. Suggestion, all opposed buy the land, have the beach and no building....solved
Beach Lover
Good Discusson:
Lets me disclose I own a unit at Sugar Dunes. The ones next to the development. So I am affected.
The land was always going to be developed. I knew that when I purchased. The property would be lovely not to have anything developed, however lets understand why "this board" even exists. You, me and even Shelly love this area. I understand why others want to come here. My point was that you were probably not a native and we all came at some point to the area to live in a house that was once not there. Without places to live, or rent then no more Shellys or seagrove lovers are going to come. Just because we have one (or more) why should everyone else stop building so we can have it the same way it was when we built or purchased.
On one other note. The area is only stalled in development. Believe me the inventory is going to sell and more will be needed. It is paradise. Those of you looking short term see too much inventory. This is temporary due to many pressures. It is just the start of the building.
Shelly get out while you can, or are you enjoying the value increase (long-term) as I am. ;-)
Lets me disclose I own a unit at Sugar Dunes. The ones next to the development. So I am affected.
The land was always going to be developed. I knew that when I purchased. The property would be lovely not to have anything developed, however lets understand why "this board" even exists. You, me and even Shelly love this area. I understand why others want to come here. My point was that you were probably not a native and we all came at some point to the area to live in a house that was once not there. Without places to live, or rent then no more Shellys or seagrove lovers are going to come. Just because we have one (or more) why should everyone else stop building so we can have it the same way it was when we built or purchased.
On one other note. The area is only stalled in development. Believe me the inventory is going to sell and more will be needed. It is paradise. Those of you looking short term see too much inventory. This is temporary due to many pressures. It is just the start of the building.
Shelly get out while you can, or are you enjoying the value increase (long-term) as I am. ;-)
beats on hood
Voice your opinions by attending Planning Commission and BCC meetings. If you can't attend the meetings, you can email, snail mail, fax, or phone the Planning Department and the members of the BCC. All of their info is on the Walton County website.
SoWal InsiderAuthor
Shelly get out while you can, or are you enjoying the value increase (long-term) as I am. ;-)
My definition of "value" is very much different than yours.
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Beach Lover
Yes shelly I suspect we will look at most things on opposing sides. Is that ok?
Beach Lover
I remember when there was nothing between the Back Porch and Panama City Beach but the Gulf to the south and pine trees to the north.
As much as I love for ppl to come here and fall in love with my home, I still cringe when I see another development. Kinda contradicts my career
As much as I love for ppl to come here and fall in love with my home, I still cringe when I see another development. Kinda contradicts my career
Beach Fanatic
Seagrove Lover
might it be you who is looking short term...
might it be you who is looking short term...
SoWal InsiderAuthor
Yes shelly I suspect we will look at most things on opposing sides. Is that ok?
I've got no problem with that.
....let me remind you that you're the one with issues as stated in an earlier post:
"I am tired off listening to you and others codemnation of builders as evil. It is not just your paradise. It is mine and others too."
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Beach Crab
THIS IS TO ALL, i have been following all of the threads posted, you are all spending your energy to stop a building, something at some time will probably be put there. Have you thought of spending your energy and tax dollars to contact all the commissioners, and ask for your walton county taxes to protect what you do not wish for???? or is this just a case of being bored, and now hey there is something for us to rally and fight, just a thought?
needs to get out more
THIS IS TO ALL, i have been following all of the threads posted...
apparently not.
beats on hood
THIS IS TO ALL, i have been following all of the threads posted, you are all spending your energy to stop a building, something at some time will probably be put there. Have you thought of spending your energy and tax dollars to contact all the commissioners, and ask for your walton county taxes to protect what you do not wish for???? or is this just a case of being bored, and now hey there is something for us to rally and fight, just a thought?I have written many letters. First, a developer's proposal goes to the Planning Department. To express your concerns, contact:
Walton County Planning & Development Services
Pat Blackshear, Planning and Development Services Director
31 Coastal Center Blvd, Ste 130
Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Telephone: (850) 267-1955
Fax: (850) 622-9133
blapat@co.walton.fl.us
Then the developer's proposal goes before the Planning Commission. If they approve the recommendation of the Planning Department, it goes before the BCC (Board of County Commissioners). You can contact them as follows:
District 1:
Scott Brannon
19367 U.S. Hwy 331 S
Freeport, FL 32439
Tel: (850) 835-4860
Fax: (850) 835-4836
E-mail: brascott@co.walton.fl.us
District 2:
Kenneth Pridgen
17400 State Highway 83 North
DeFuniak Springs, FL 32433
Phone: (850) 834-6328
Fax: (850) 834-6385
Email: prikenneth@co.walton.fl.us
District 3:
Larry Jones
1483 County Highway 1087
DeFuniak Springs, FL. 32435
Phone: (850) 892-8474
Fax: (850)892-8475
e-mail: jonlarry@co.walton.fl.us
District 4:
Sara Comander
(850) 835-4834.
417 Highway 20 East
Freeport, FL 32439
Email: comsara@co.walton.fl.us
District 5:
Cindy Meadows
90 Spires Lane, Unit 7-A
Santa Rosa Beach, FL. 32459
Phone: (850) 622-3059
Fax: (850) 622-3067
e-mail: meacindy@co.walton.fl.us
SoWal Expert
If you had read all the threads, you would have noted that people are frequently asked to contact their county commissioners (at the posted email and phone numbers) and attend meetings (at the locations & times given) to fight the issues/projects being discussed.
Beach Crab
There is the word FIGHT, what are you FIGHTING for, complete preservation or no more buildings.
needs to get out more
There is the word FIGHT, what are you FIGHTING for, complete preservation or no more buildings.
yeah, that's the ticket...no more buildings, anywhere. i'll FIGHT the bulldozer operator as soon as he turns the key, yeah, that's it.
did you read your question before you hit the 'post' button?
Beach Fanatic
Amen, sister!!!
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