Today a Sowal idiot went to one of my customer's homes.

Libel suits work pretty well, but you would have to prove that the other person's actions or words caused you lost work, revenue, or damage to your business...

Libel suits work pretty well, but you would have to prove that the other person's actions or words caused you lost work, revenue, or damage to your business...

I believe that the other person's words would have to be false. If they are factual truths only, there is no case.

I believe that the other person's words would have to be false. If they are factual truths only, there is no case.

True...

Let it go AA, your nemesis looks petty to your other customers.
Set your standards high and strive to match them. Let your standards of work and personal behavior reflect your integrity.
Personally, when I have to meet St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, I'm going incognito.

I believe that the other person's words would have to be false. If they are factual truths only, there is no case.

Saying something to another that is untrue is called slander. Writing something untrue is called libel................................

Defamation, Libel and Slander -


[1] Elements and Case Citations

(1) Defendant made a false and defamatory statement;

(2) Defendant published (written or orally) to a third party;

(3) Defendant made the defamatory statement with the requisite intent (negligence or malice); and

(4) Plaintiff suffered damages.

Libel is a written defamatory statement. See Hay v. Independent Newspapers, Inc., 450 So. 2d 293, 294-295 (Fla. 2d DCA 1984). Slander is a spoken defamatory statement. See Axelrod v. Califano, 357 So. 2d 1048, 1050 (Fla. 1st DCA 1978). A defamation claim against a private person requires negligence. See Miami Herald Publ?g Co. v Ane, 423 So. 2d 376, 383 (Fla. 3d DCA 1982), citing Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323, 347 (1974). A defamation claim against a public figure requires publication with actual malice and in reckless disregard of the plaintiff?s rights. See Seropian v. Forman, 652 So. 2d 490, 493 (Fla. 4th DCA 1995), citing New York Times v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 279-280 (1964).


Injurious Falsehood is a cause of action akin to defamation. See Salit v. Ruden, McCloskey, Smith, Schuster & Russell, P.A., 742 So. 2d 381, 386-387, n.3 (Fla. 4th DCA 1999); Restatement (Second) of Torts ?? 623A-652 (1977).

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Florida State Courts
First District: Linafelt v. Beverly Enterprises-Florida, Inc., 745 So. 2d 386, 388 (Fla. 1st DCA 1999)
Second District: Bass v. Rivera, 826 So.2d 534, 534 (Fla. 2nd DCA 2002)
Third District: Valencia v. Citibank International, 728 So. 2d 330, 330 (Fla. 3d DCA 1999)
Fourth District: Rapp v. Jews for Jesus, Inc., 944 So. 2d 460, 464-65 (Fla. 4th DCA 2006)
Fifth District: Scholz v. RDV Sports, Inc., 710 So. 2d 618, 625 (Fla. 5th DCA 1998), rev. denied, 718 So. 2d 618 (Fla. 1998)

Florida Federal Courts
Eleventh Circuit: Rubin v. U.S. News & World Report, Inc., 271 F. 3rd 1305, 1306 (11th Cir. 2001)
Southern District: Corporate Financial, Inc. v. Principal Life Ins. Co., 461 F. Supp. 2d 1274, 1292 (S.D. Fla. 2006)
Middle District: Furmanite America, Inc. v. T.D. Williamson, Inc., 506 F. Supp. 2d 1134, 1140 (M.D. Fla. 2007)

References
Restatement (Second) of Torts ?? 558, 580(B) (1965)

True...

I'm a big boy. If anybody wants to say or write something true about me or my company I will never argue the point. When I'm wrong I'll admit it. A slug or group of slugs saying or writing something in a false light is very different and I'll assert myself for the good of my family and the man in the mirror. Thanks

Any body know what happened to posts #2 and #3 that were up on the Thread last night?

Any body know what happened to posts #2 and #3 that were up on the Thread last night?

You may have offended someone with the power to delete. There was a dog thread a while back that had several posts deleted for fear of outing an irresponsible dog owner that was friends with a moderator.

You may have offended someone with the power to delete. There was a dog thread a while back that had several posts deleted for fear of outing an irresponsible dog owner that was friends with a moderator.

I don't post to offend people. I don't know yet what Tootsie and I said that would offend anyone, anywhere. I wrote the only Moderator I know to get clear so I don't do it again. Thanks

Any body know what happened to posts #2 and #3 that were up on the Thread last night?

When I posted last night, singingchix had post #2 and mine was post #3.

Today a local Sowal idiot with some ax to grind went to one of my past customers doors. He tried to get me fired from her job. This kind of nonsense has been going on for 7 years now. Isn't that self refuting enough? 7 years of getting up and getting out in Sowal to work everyday, all the while, I have a coward creeping around behind me saying I'm going to leave someone high and dry?.? That does nothing but shake confidence and harm the listener. Nothing is farther from the truth. I have never, ever, ever left a customer high and dry.

If anyone has any questions about me, John Carroll, or my company, Chambers Street Builders, Inc., you can always reach me at my e-mail AAbsolute@aol.com or my cell 850-978-8233. http://www.chambersstreetbuilders.net

I don't know how to stop it, and maybe I never will. I do know that I hope to hear from someone, anonymous or not, if they know something about this.

Thanks, JC

Do you own a "wood shed" John, I would suggest that you take the person behind there and teach them about respect.:wave:

Jk, I really do hope that you can get this resolved with the "idiot".

When I posted last night, singingchix had post #2 and mine was post #3.

Yeah...they're all there. No names were mentiioned so there's no need to yank anything from the thread...

I am totally an outsider to what this whole thread and several similar to them over the past year or so, but like everyone else, I see them.

I do take issue with anyone who has problems with someone else and stoops to anything less than public scrutiny of their treatment of others to attempt to resolve an issue.

I know neither side of what started this battle so long ago, but it needs to come out into the light and be done with. Someone deserves 20 lashes with a wet noodle. Figure it out and get it finished and let's all move on to a more positive future like we all need.

I do not know you John, but I do hope to do business with you some day. I have not seen evidence of you covering any wrong doings to date and would tend to believe that you are honest and upfront with business.

Perhaps I am ignorant and someone can PM me with the other side of this story that can't seem to make it into the public eye for scrutiny.

I know...I know, I am new to the area and I do not know all the goings-on for the past several years, but I can't help but feel that someone has it in for John and his company and I don't understand why. :idontno:

I don't know John C, either, but I will note that coming on SoWal.com to bring up issues that should be addressed in private, is bringing him more into the spotlight, when it sounds like he would rather this thing from the past, fade away. ClintClint said it best, " Set your standards high and strive to match them. Let your standards of work and personal behavior reflect your integrity."

All very good points SJ. Thank you.

I don't know John C, either, but I will note that coming on SoWal.com to bring up issues that should be addressed in private, is bringing him more into the spotlight, when it sounds like he would rather this thing from the past, fade away. ClintClint said it best, " Set your standards high and strive to match them. Let your standards of work and personal behavior reflect your integrity."

I mind my business. I'm an open book. I don't mind criticism, and as many folks will tell you, if I'm wrong I'll admit and try to make it right.

I've been told by someone I respect that it's just like this around Sowal with the Undercurrents, etc. and that maybe I should consider moving. In my business I can go anywhere in the nation and not miss a beat. I do however have three children from my previous marriage and I won't go anywhere unless they do. I can't leave them and I won't.

I worked today all day doing the best I could, I'm working tomorrow too. If there will be criticism of me can I please be kept in the loop. This particular idiot said blatant untruths with one goal, get me fired. I am begging for three feet of space, that's all.

I don't know John C, either, but I will note that coming on SoWal.com to bring up issues that should be addressed in private, is bringing him more into the spotlight, when it sounds like he would rather this thing from the past, fade away. ClintClint said it best, " Set your standards high and strive to match them. Let your standards of work and personal behavior reflect your integrity."

Try and get to know me SJ. Please, I'll buy the coffee or whatever your pleasure happens to be.

Do you know who the person is?

I'm still confused by your first post, " a local Sowal idiot with some ax to grind went to one of my past customers doors. He tried to get me fired from her job."

If they went to a "past" customer, how could you be fired from that job?

I'm still confused by your first post, " a local Sowal idiot with some ax to grind went to one of my past customers doors. He tried to get me fired from her job."

If they went to a "past" customer, how could you be fired from that job?

beat me to it. If they're already your client, they know exactly how you work and you should have no worries.

I'm still confused by your first post, " a local Sowal idiot with some ax to grind went to one of my past customers doors. He tried to get me fired from her job."

If they went to a "past" customer, how could you be fired from that job?

Good question. Relevant one too. I built a home for a man and woman last year. This year they hired us for some add ons. This idiot goes to her door while I'm at lunch and try's to malign me and get her to hold back on my payments. Nice huh? He says he's been talking to other past customers of mine too.

I've heard this a number of times and nobody ever wants to be the one to stand by me and say who's saying what. I know why, there's nothing pleasant about it.

So, has your question been cleared up now? Do you understand what happened? Do you think that it's o.k. and that I should ignore it? Do I have any right to get informed and face this idiot?

When I posted last night, singingchix had post #2 and mine was post #3.

Then it happened pretty quick and I'll write it off as some mistake by the powers to be. It was already deleted by the time y'all posted.

I never said you should ignore it. What I said is that you are bringing this matter that someone has a problem with your work, to the attention of all who read this message board. If you had addressed this issue in private with the appropriate people, only a very limited number of people would even realize that other people had problems with you/your company.

i never said you should ignore it. What i said is that you are bringing this matter that someone has a problem with your work, to the attention of all who read this message board. If you had addressed this issue in private with the appropriate people, only a very limited number of people would even realize that other people had problems with you/your company.

amen!

My daddy taught me where there's smoke there's fire.

Methinks thou dost protesteth too mucheth. :blink: