Note Charlie Hilton's house in the background.
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Building a new town at Alys Beach requires a lot of pristine sand.
Note Charlie Hilton's house in the background.
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Note Charlie Hilton's house in the background.
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needs to get out more
hey, at least one beachfront landowner is using the right grade of sand. Christian Wagley will keep them doing the right thing environmentally.
jr
jr
SoWal Expert
hey, at least one beachfront landowner is using the right grade of sand. Christian Wagley will keep them doing the right thing environmentally.I hear you on that. Christian is a good guy. However, I told him that it is difficult for me to call something "green" which is 2000+sf and a second home that will remain empty most of the time, burning extra electricity to keep the "efficient" a/c running. In my opinion, Alys beach is white, not green.
jr
Beach Lover
Building a new town at Alys Beach requires a lot of pristine sand.
Note Charlie Hilton's house in the background.
Click to enlarge.
Dare I ask this, but who is Charlie Hilton? Any relation to THE Hiltons?
SoWal Expert
Dare I ask this, but who is Charlie Hilton? Any relation to THE Hiltons?He is related to the Hiltons, not THE Hiltons.
He is a contractor based in Panty Maw Shiitty. His house is the big chunck of pointy concrete on the left in the photo.
needs to get out more
I hear you on that. Christian is a good guy. However, I told him that it is difficult for me to call something "green" which is 2000+sf and a second home that will remain empty most of the time, burning extra electricity to keep the "efficient" a/c running. In my opinion, Alys beach is white, not green.
agreed joe. it will be interesting how much stock they put into the recomendations(sp?) of their environmental officer as things progress. the gr$$n seems to be stronger than green.
jr
AdminAuthor
Dare I ask this, but who is Charlie Hilton? Any relation to THE Hiltons?
No, but he has 3 hotels in PCB. According to a recent article in the paper over there he has been at odds for a long time with environmentalists. They have tried to get him to turn the lights down and he has told them to move the turtles away from his lights.
Meow
No, but he has 3 hotels in PCB. According to a recent article in the paper over there he has been at odds for a long time with environmentalists. They have tried to get him to turn the lights down and he has told them to move the turtles away from his lights.
He sounds like a great guy...NOT! :roll:
Beach Fanatic
His house looks like it's wearing a beret.
percy
Building a new town at Alys Beach requires a lot of pristine sand.
I took a walk one morning by this mountain--sure was big!
Darlene is my middle name, not my nickname
No, but he has 3 hotels in PCB. According to a recent article in the paper over there he has been at odds for a long time with environmentalists. They have tried to get him to turn the lights down and he has told them to move the turtles away from his lights.
Well, it is a good thing he has money...because he sure doesn't have any sense!!! Jerk!!! Ok, so I don't know the guy, and as the saying goes "Judge not least you be judged". But my goodness, he does not deserve to have this house, if that is how he feels about the turtles. I love them and want them to survive, but with people like this, they are going to have a hard time.
margarita brocolia
No, but he has 3 hotels in PCB. According to a recent article in the paper over there he has been at odds for a long time with environmentalists. They have tried to get him to turn the lights down and he has told them to move the turtles away from his lights.
:roll:
Beach Fanatic
He is related to the Hiltons, not THE Hiltons.SM - I think I probably enjoy your posts more than any other on this board and I agree with everyone's sentiments on the Hilton house, but what is your meaning in regard to Panty Maw SHIITTY?
He is a contractor based in Panty Maw Shiitty. His house is the big chunck of pointy concrete on the left in the photo.
SoWal Insider
No, but he has 3 hotels in PCB. According to a recent article in the paper over there he has been at odds for a long time with environmentalists. They have tried to get him to turn the lights down and he has told them to move the turtles away from his lights.
Who knows...maybe this summer "Mom Nature" will decide to whack his hotels and send that pile of sand right through his house and out the other side--then we'll see who gets the last laugh (most likely it will be the turtles).
Beach Fanatic
He is related to the Hiltons, not THE Hiltons.Smiling Joe (SJ) my above post was meant for you. I meant SJ not SM - I wasn't really
He is a contractor based in Panty Maw Shiitty. His house is the big chunck of pointy concrete on the left in the photo.
just a typo - anyway Panty Maw SHIITTY???? Beach Fanatic
Smiling Joe (SJ) my above post was meant for you. I meant SJ not SM - I wasn't really
That's what I have heard folks call PC for as long as I can remember. It's just a joke. ;-)
SoWal Expert
Smiling Joe (SJ) my above post was meant for you. I meant SJ not SM - I wasn't reallySee Steeleing1's post above. I first heard the term from a car dealer working in Panama City. I thought the guy was so funny that I bought a car from him. He hated Panama City, saying that his wife made him move there. He said that Whitey had to much control over the city, and maybe that is where he got the name, but I have a feeling it has been around for a while. As for the Panty part, drive down the Strip during Spring Break, but don't crash.
Beach Fanatic
A delightful bit of irony I'd like to share...I'm reading a book that makes me think of the Hilton house again and again...The Edifice Complex. I tried to get it at Sundog and they didn't have it. I stumbled across it at Fonville Press!
Meow
I say open the doors throw in some sand and let the turtles take over!!! :clap_1:
Beach Fanatic
Since everyone is talking about Alys Beach, does anyone know what's happening on the west side of that development? I noticed a lot of heavy equipment there a couple of weeks ago, but I haven't been back since.
Beach Fanatic
See Steeleing1's post above. I first heard the term from a car dealer working in Panama City. I thought the guy was so funny that I bought a car from him. He hated Panama City, saying that his wife made him move there. He said that Whitey had to much control over the city, and maybe that is where he got the name, but I have a feeling it has been around for a while. As for the Panty part, drive down the Strip during Spring Break, but don't crash.Thats okay, I'm with you on the PANTY part (we usually stay off the strip all the time - not interested in exposing my daughter to that). It was the SHIITTY part I was questioning. PCB is certainly not 30A and different folks visit both for different reasons (I think?). I do. I have a place on the beach near the marina at PCB (Thomas Drive) and have a place on 30A, as well. We visit both. It seems these days most of our decisions on which place to go depends on our daughter. She enjoys the more upscale environment, shopping, restaurants and the pool at our place on 30A, but only wants to stay there occassionally. She usually wants to stay in PCB because we have our waverunners there and she is really into those (we enjoy them with her). If you are used to going there and know where to go, where to eat, what to do, it is really a lot more fun than most who post about it says. Anyway just wondering what your SHIITTY experience was or if that was just your general perception. I amy sound serious but I really do have a sense of humor. No offense taken.
AdminAuthor
Since everyone is talking about Alys Beach, does anyone know what's happening on the west side of that development? I noticed a lot of heavy equipment there a couple of weeks ago, but I haven't been back since.
I was wondering as well. No signs or anything. May be St. Joe property.
SoWal Expert
imasunbum, Panama City and Panama City Beach are interesting cities, and one is quite different from the other. I have not had bad experiences in PCB, unless you count Spring Break, 1980 something, when we were removed from the hotel room by management.
Actually, the towns have some good things to offer. If you roll down the windows of your car as you drive down the Strip, you are likely to hear a bunch of teenagers yelling Yeee-hooo, as they hang their bodies half way out of the car. That is one big difference. Culture baby!
One of the reasons that I don't care for PCB is the same reason that kids so often enjoy it. Go-karts, bumper carts, jetskis, mini golf, Club la Vela, etc. Just a diffenence of preferences, one person's no better than another's.
Mostly, I just like quoting my salesman, Jerry McCoy. I think he use to play football for Univ of AL. Maybe you Bama fans can look him up to tell me if he is legit.
Actually, the towns have some good things to offer. If you roll down the windows of your car as you drive down the Strip, you are likely to hear a bunch of teenagers yelling Yeee-hooo, as they hang their bodies half way out of the car. That is one big difference. Culture baby!
One of the reasons that I don't care for PCB is the same reason that kids so often enjoy it. Go-karts, bumper carts, jetskis, mini golf, Club la Vela, etc. Just a diffenence of preferences, one person's no better than another's.
Mostly, I just like quoting my salesman, Jerry McCoy. I think he use to play football for Univ of AL. Maybe you Bama fans can look him up to tell me if he is legit.
Christini Zambini
I was wondering as well. No signs or anything. May be St. Joe property.
I don't know exactly, but that property isn't related to Alys or St. Joe. It was on the market last year. Those owners sold it for their asking price of 24 mil and the new buyers flipped it the same day for 61 mil. I'm not joking. The developer is a big wig out of Miami who does the big high rise complexes, etc. It is an incredible amount of $$ for a piece of property with no deeded beach access. I can't see how the developer is going to get his money out of that property with the market in the slump that it is. However, I have a feeling that he is so loaded that a loss is not going to hurt too much.
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SoWal Expert
The owner of record is listed as ZOHOURI DEVELOPMENTS SOUTH WALTON LLC, and Fred Zohouri from Atlanta is the Managing Mbr of the LLC. It consist of about 26 acres and sold for $61M in Sept '05, according to property records. From $24.5 M to $61M is a great flip, esp if it was an assignment and the original buyer had only an EMD holding the property. :shock:
Quick math = $2,350,000 per acre. If zoned 8 units per acre (and I have not looked to see), the raw land cost is only $293K per unit. With infrastructure costs, you can look at probably $400k per unit cost to developer. That price is not too bad all considered.
Quick math = $2,350,000 per acre. If zoned 8 units per acre (and I have not looked to see), the raw land cost is only $293K per unit. With infrastructure costs, you can look at probably $400k per unit cost to developer. That price is not too bad all considered.
Beach Fanatic
imasunbum, Panama City and Panama City Beach are interesting cities, and one is quite different from the other. I have not had bad experiences in PCB, unless you count Spring Break, 1980 something, when we were removed from the hotel room by management.Like I said - No offense taken - Please feel free to joke with me anytime. But...I think Mr. McCoy was pulling your leg. I'm pretty familiar w/AL Football and I am not familiar with a former player by that name. Like you said, he is a car salesman.
Actually, the towns have some good things to offer. If you roll down the windows of your car as you drive down the Strip, you are likely to hear a bunch of teenagers yelling Yeee-hooo, as they hang their bodies half way out of the car. That is one big difference. Culture baby!
One of the reasons that I don't care for PCB is the same reason that kids so often enjoy it. Go-karts, bumper carts, jetskis, mini golf, Club la Vela, etc. Just a diffenence of preferences, one person's no better than another's.
Mostly, I just like quoting my salesman, Jerry McCoy. I think he use to play football for Univ of AL. Maybe you Bama fans can look him up to tell me if he is legit.
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