Hello. Found the site the other day and have found it quite informative. My husband and I are from New York State, and found SoWal over 2 years ago trying to escape the winter blahs when every carribean island was booked!
My sister told me about the area. We headed down for 5 days. When we got off the plane in Feb. 04, we immediately fell in love with the area. Spent 5 days with a realtor traveling up and down 30A. We eventually are considering living there full time. We have a couple of townhomes, and one land lot.
Being a mortgage broker and in the business for 20 years (I am only 41) I have been able to observe the real estate trends. Having looked at beach homes up and down the East coast for 2 years, we knew SoWal was special.
We have made quite a few friends in the last 2 years. We always feel like we are home when we get off that plane in Okaloosa, and a sense of relaxation,even though all we have done is work, work, work on our rental homes. We didn't buy and flip, although there were some properties I wished I had :cool: and sometimes get fustrated about my purchases since we bought from a developer who held the properties for years and didnt have a clue. Joined the Board immediately, and we have had major changes to our property for the better, but it was long hard work and time consuming. Have low fixed rate 30 yr mortgages, so I am in for the long haul.
I notice some negativity about the market in the threads. I do agree with the fact that there were investors who are now up to their necks in properties they never intended to hold with ARM mortgages coming due soon.
On the whole though, looking at the big picture, I feel that the addition of the PC airport going international, the lack of buildable land eventually in SoWal (lets hope some politicians dont allow building where it is state forest preserve) will bring buyers to the area who will see what we saw when we first got off the plane. Pristine beaches, controlled commercialization, and the home town feel we felt immediately driving around with our realtor who we were introduced to on the beach.
With rising interest rates, there also comes more employment, better returns on stocks and investments, etc. I am no economist, just noting some things I have seen in the 20 years procuring mortgages for people.
The prices will go up and down, but on the whole, real estate is like the stock market, in the long term rises graphically.
We are looking at a 3-5 year time line to move to the area. My husband operates laundromats for owners, builds them, manages them. It's a specialized profession. We know that if we move to SoWal there is not that type of employment there (Could never find a laundromat, except bumped into one on airport road in Destin) Not to mention that the pay rate is much lower. I can work anywhere as long as I have a phone and internet access.
In light of the above, we are considering opening a management agency for private homes, since my husband can fix or build just about anything and do it well. We have been told that that type of work is in high demand. The fact that someone shows up makes people happy, and have seen a different work ethic than we are used to here in New York (fast paced).
My only concern for moving full time is 1) setting a business for him 2) fustration of getting groceries and essentials during peak rental months. My husband tells me that we will be going to Wal-Mart super center at 5 or 6 am before the crowds, which is ok with him since he is an early bird. (Is there any fresh food out at that hour? or will I have to become a professional fisherwoman?)
I have 1.5 year left on my low rate ARM lot loan, so another concern is will I be able to afford the lot if I dont build in the next year or so. I did'nt buy it at peak, but paid more than my townhomes! In order to build, short of getting a loan, we planned on using the proceeds of our house in New York to build our beach dream house.
So with all this in mind, I am considering the possibility of selling the lot, (would hate to) but I don't think now is the time. Its a great 75 by 150 lot with unobstructed gulf views from the 2nd and 3rd story when built.
Hope hurricane season is kind to us.
Welcome any responses and new friends.......
Donna (a/k/a Mango)
Mango
MangoSoWal InsiderNew York/ Santa Rosa Beach9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
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14Gypsea
GypseaBeach FanaticPittsburgh, PA; Watercolor1,497 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
:welcome: Mango!!! Welcome to SoWal. It is a special and truly beautiful place with wonderful people. Thanks for the postive post. You will make many new friends here.
Camp Creek Kid
Camp Creek KidChristini ZambiniSeacrest Beach1,277 postsJoined View profileMessageChristini Zambini
Mango,we've lived in Sowal for 5 years. Don't worry about getting groceries during the busy season. We have several new Publix grocery stores--one near each end of 30-A and a small one at Watercolor, which is right in the middle of SoWal.
If you are making the trek to Wal-Mart, it isn't necessary to go at 5 in the morning. I've found that traffic in Destin in fine on weekday mornings until about noon, unless it is raining and then you want to stay away from Destin because all the beach goers decide to shop. If you head east to the PCB Wal-mart, there is never any traffic. The busy times for shopping coincide with check-in times so try to avoid going on weekend afternoons.
All that being said, the crowds and traffic are not that bad. Those who live here full-time or visit during the off season get used to how quiet SoWal can be. However, our "crowded" season is no worse than what a large suburban shopping ceter sees on a regular busy weekend.
We'll be glad to have you when you decide to move down!
If you are making the trek to Wal-Mart, it isn't necessary to go at 5 in the morning. I've found that traffic in Destin in fine on weekday mornings until about noon, unless it is raining and then you want to stay away from Destin because all the beach goers decide to shop. If you head east to the PCB Wal-mart, there is never any traffic. The busy times for shopping coincide with check-in times so try to avoid going on weekend afternoons.
All that being said, the crowds and traffic are not that bad. Those who live here full-time or visit during the off season get used to how quiet SoWal can be. However, our "crowded" season is no worse than what a large suburban shopping ceter sees on a regular busy weekend.
We'll be glad to have you when you decide to move down!
Cork On the Ocean
Cork On the Oceandirectionally challengedSeacrest Beach2,450 postsJoined View profileMessagedirectionally challenged
:welcome: Mango. You'll love it here. We're toying with a management company too but want to be sure it's done right. Not that easy.
Agree with you totally on the market. Its not going anywhere long term but up. Regarding groceries. Depends on where you live. I'm in Seacrest Beach, right next to Rosemary and Publix and Winn Dixie are just over the bridge near Carillon. (also liquor) The only access issues are things to work around the house like home depot and clothing, gifts, home goods etc where you need to go to either Panama City or Destin but it's well worth it. I dont eat fish so don't know much about that except that both groceries have fish counters and there are a couple (at least one) fresh fish stores on 30A.
Welcome to the club :welcome:
Agree with you totally on the market. Its not going anywhere long term but up. Regarding groceries. Depends on where you live. I'm in Seacrest Beach, right next to Rosemary and Publix and Winn Dixie are just over the bridge near Carillon. (also liquor) The only access issues are things to work around the house like home depot and clothing, gifts, home goods etc where you need to go to either Panama City or Destin but it's well worth it. I dont eat fish so don't know much about that except that both groceries have fish counters and there are a couple (at least one) fresh fish stores on 30A.
Welcome to the club :welcome:
peapod1980
peapod1980percyUp the hill from the Gateway Arch4,591 postsJoined View profileMessagepercy
Welcome any responses and new friends.......:welcome: Mango!
Donna (a/k/a Mango)
TooFarTampa
TooFarTampaSoWal InsiderNative of Tampa now in Boston 'burbs. Left my hear5,422 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
:welcome: Great first post. Post often!
Paula
PaulaBeach FanaticMichigan but someday in SoWal as well3,747 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
:welcome: Mango. I agree, great first post. There are quite a few people on this board who live here, so they can give you advice. There's a laundromat I found in a small shopping center near the end of 30 and 98 going toward Destin.
As for being busy, I haven't been here during peak months yet (we own two cottages on 30A, currently rentals and short-term visits for us, but someday we'll spend a lot more time there. However, our town in the midwest is a college town and it's VERY busy late August - late April when all the students (about 30-35,000) are here, the roads can get crowded and it's impossible to go out during football Saturdays. We really don't even think about it much except we learn to work around football Saturdays. My point is that lots of places have seasonal busy-ness and the locals learn how to work around it.
Again, welcome.
As for being busy, I haven't been here during peak months yet (we own two cottages on 30A, currently rentals and short-term visits for us, but someday we'll spend a lot more time there. However, our town in the midwest is a college town and it's VERY busy late August - late April when all the students (about 30-35,000) are here, the roads can get crowded and it's impossible to go out during football Saturdays. We really don't even think about it much except we learn to work around football Saturdays. My point is that lots of places have seasonal busy-ness and the locals learn how to work around it.
Again, welcome.
Mango
MangoSoWal InsiderNew York/ Santa Rosa Beach9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal InsiderAuthor
Thanks for the warm welcome. :bow:
Look forward to making the new friends...
Regards,
Donna (a/k/a Mango)
Look forward to making the new friends...
Regards,
Donna (a/k/a Mango)
InletBchDweller
InletBchDwellerSoWal InsiderPrairieville, La6,802 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
welcome mango!!!!
30A Skunkape
30A SkunkapeSkunkyBackatown Seagrove10,329 postsJoined View profileMessageSkunky
Maybe we'll be neighbors one day Mango :clap_1:
Kimmifunn
KimmifunnFunnkaliciousHollyhood9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageFunnkalicious
:welcome: Where in NY are you neighbor!?
Enduring this nasty nagging rain today? :roll:
Enduring this nasty nagging rain today? :roll:
yippieyippieBeach FanaticA local946 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
"There's a laundromat I found in a small shopping center near the end of 30 and 98 going toward Destin."
That laundry mat is owned by the same people who owned the one on Main Street in Destin. The original owner could not get any help to keep it open on a normal schedule!
The one in Destin was moved recently to Commons Drive (behind Wal-Mart) and sold to a delightful couple from South Florida. There was talk that the South Walton one was going to close, but I am not sure what they decided to do. They are young and energetic, I hope they do well!
Mango
MangoSoWal InsiderNew York/ Santa Rosa Beach9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal InsiderAuthor
That laundry mat is owned by the same people who owned the one on Main Street in Destin. The original owner could not get any help to keep it open on a normal schedule!
The one in Destin was moved recently to Commons Drive (behind Wal-Mart) and sold to a delightful couple from South Florida. There was talk that the South Walton one was going to close, but I am not sure what they decided to do. They are young and energetic, I hope they do well!
My housekeeper told me that there was one next to the Goodwill on 98, but then found out it had closed. I suppose that is the same one. We feel that the reason why there are not that many laundromats in the area is that 1) the cost of water, 2) electricity-you cant have your clientele sitting in steamy laundromats especially in Florida, and the fact that its usage will be mainly seasonal. Then to boot, the value of the land there now, and the rents will be horrific. My husband has been in the business for 20 years, and he can tell if an area will do well.
Donna a/k/a Mango
Santa Rosa Pete
Santa Rosa PeteBeach ComberATL & SRB48 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
Mango:
Welcome to SoWal. I'm the one who introduced you to your realtor on the beach. You're right about this site, it's a great info resource for what's happening in the area.
Sorry to hear about your condo. That's precisely why Sharon and I haven't considered renting (unless it was absolutely financially necessary).
By the way, had dinner at your realtor's house Saturday night and he said the market is absolutely dead right now. Two of his real estate associates recently took waitressing jobs to generate some cash. That's scary for flippers and speculators but for those of us in it for the long-term -- who love the area and are simply marking time until we make the move -- it shouldn't be a problem.
Again, welcome.
Welcome to SoWal. I'm the one who introduced you to your realtor on the beach. You're right about this site, it's a great info resource for what's happening in the area.
Sorry to hear about your condo. That's precisely why Sharon and I haven't considered renting (unless it was absolutely financially necessary).
By the way, had dinner at your realtor's house Saturday night and he said the market is absolutely dead right now. Two of his real estate associates recently took waitressing jobs to generate some cash. That's scary for flippers and speculators but for those of us in it for the long-term -- who love the area and are simply marking time until we make the move -- it shouldn't be a problem.
Again, welcome.
Cork On the Ocean
Cork On the Oceandirectionally challengedSeacrest Beach2,450 postsJoined View profileMessagedirectionally challenged
Mango:
Welcome to SoWal. I'm the one who introduced you to your realtor on the beach. You're right about this site, it's a great info resource for what's happening in the area.
Sorry to hear about your condo. That's precisely why Sharon and I haven't considered renting (unless it was absolutely financially necessary).
By the way, had dinner at your realtor's house Saturday night and he said the market is absolutely dead right now. Two of his real estate associates recently took waitressing jobs to generate some cash. That's scary for flippers and speculators but for those of us in it for the long-term -- who love the area and are simply marking time until we make the move -- it shouldn't be a problem.
Again, welcome.
Back Home? Actually it's picking up a little. Combined Condos & Homes on 30A that went under contract:
1/06 - 13
2/06 - 14
3/06 - 25
4/06 so far - 8
BTW, do you have a new family member yet? :floor:
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