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Just_In_Thyme

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St. Joe has been listening to Shelly, and realizes that it better give everybody their $$$ back and close up shop.

[QUOTE=Just_In_Thyme]St. Joe has been listening to Shelly, and realizes that it better give everybody their $$$ back and close up shop.[/QUOTE]
 :razz:

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Just_In_Thyme">St. Joe has been listening to Shelly, and realizes that it better give everybody their $$$ back and close up shop.</blockquote> :razz:

GreenWaveDave

[QUOTE=Just_In_Thyme]St. Joe has been listening to Shelly, and realizes that it better give everybody their $$$ back and close up shop.[/QUOTE]

Good One!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Just_In_Thyme">St. Joe has been listening to Shelly, and realizes that it better give everybody their $$$ back and close up shop.</blockquote> 
Good One!

cavbaby

Beach Comber

[QUOTE=Just_In_Thyme]St. Joe has been listening to Shelly, and realizes that it better give everybody their $$$ back and close up shop.[/QUOTE]
love it :biggrin:

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Just_In_Thyme">St. Joe has been listening to Shelly, and realizes that it better give everybody their $$$ back and close up shop.</blockquote>love it 😀

robertsondavies

Beach Fanatic

yeah, you people all say " you love it " and "good one"... to the hilarious comment that St. Joe may be returning deposits.   

I guess it's funny, but it's your crowd of owners/investulators/agents that populate this board that won't admit that SHELLY has been DEAD RIGHT, and Skier before her, right at the market peak.  

You guys are the joke.  It's pile on comments like yours, against Shelly's that have started to cost people money, and could result in a number of personal bankruptcies in the next 2 years.   Thanks a lot guys for casting doubt on the rare voices of reason, on this supposed "board" regarding real estate down here.... "board" to me would connote a give and take, an exchange of ideas...   not a bunch of appraisers/agents/investors ganging up on lonely voices of reason...   

To the comedians, by a show of hands, which one of you guys said "sell" a year ago?      

Thanks for your comic relief.     You think St. Joe's is above listening to Shelly?   You're probably right, but I think they may have noticed their stock price fall some 30% over the last several months, for starters, as a sign that perhaps Shelly has a better idea of real estate markets, than those who make jokes as people lose their life savings.

yeah, you people all say &quot; you love it &quot; and &quot;good one&quot;... to the hilarious comment that St. Joe may be returning deposits. 
 
I guess it&#039;s funny, but it&#039;s your crowd of owners/investulators/agents that populate this board that won&#039;t admit that SHELLY has been DEAD RIGHT, and Skier before her, right at the market peak. 
 
You guys are the joke. It&#039;s pile on comments like yours, against Shelly&#039;s that have started to cost people money, and could result in a number of personal bankruptcies in the next 2 years. Thanks a lot guys for casting doubt on the rare voices of reason, on this supposed &quot;board&quot; regarding real estate down here.... &quot;board&quot; to me would connote a give and take, an exchange of ideas... not a bunch of appraisers/agents/investors ganging up on lonely voices of reason... 
 
To the comedians, by a show of hands, which one of you guys said &quot;sell&quot; a year ago? 
 
Thanks for your comic relief. You think St. Joe&#039;s is above listening to Shelly? You&#039;re probably right, but I think they may have noticed their stock price fall some 30% over the last several months, for starters, as a sign that perhaps Shelly has a better idea of real estate markets, than those who make jokes as people lose their life savings.

beachmouse

[QUOTE=robertsondavies]

You guys are the joke.  It's pile on comments like yours, against Shelly's that have started to cost people money, and could result in a number of personal bankruptcies in the next 2 years.   Thanks a lot guys for casting doubt on the rare voices of reason, on this supposed "board" regarding real estate down here.... "board" to me would connote a give and take, an exchange of ideas...   not a bunch of appraisers/agents/investors ganging up on lonely voices of reason...   

[/QUOTE]

Dude, if anyone decides to buy extremely speculative real estate based on what a bunch of people on an internet message board say, then it's their own fault for going bankrupt. 

As for lonely voices of reason, did you catch the thread last week where about ten different people offered some very constructive suggestions for an Atlanta developer looking to just get into the SoWal market now.

And I've been saying for a couple of years (though perhaps not here) that the PCB condo frenzy was going to lead to overbuilding that was going to mess with prices to the Florabama until at least 2010, and that medium-term investment wasn't looking so great.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="robertsondavies">You guys are the joke. It&#039;s pile on comments like yours, against Shelly&#039;s that have started to cost people money, and could result in a number of personal bankruptcies in the next 2 years. Thanks a lot guys for casting doubt on the rare voices of reason, on this supposed &quot;board&quot; regarding real estate down here.... &quot;board&quot; to me would connote a give and take, an exchange of ideas... not a bunch of appraisers/agents/investors ganging up on lonely voices of reason...</blockquote> 
Dude, if anyone decides to buy extremely speculative real estate based on what a bunch of people on an internet message board say, then it&#039;s their own fault for going bankrupt. 
 
As for lonely voices of reason, did you catch the thread last week where about ten different people offered some very constructive suggestions for an Atlanta developer looking to just get into the SoWal market now. 
 
And I&#039;ve been saying for a couple of years (though perhaps not here) that the PCB condo frenzy was going to lead to overbuilding that was going to mess with prices to the Florabama until at least 2010, and that medium-term investment wasn&#039;t looking so great.

Our comments have caused people to go bankrupt? Come on. If people aren't intelligent enough to invest based on their abilities,needs etc. but base them on our opinions, then they have some real problems. They shouldn't be investing in real estate.  I offer no apologies. I will enjoy sitting on my deck enjoying a cold beer watching the sunset over the gulf.

Our comments have caused people to go bankrupt? Come on. If people aren&#039;t intelligent enough to invest based on their abilities,needs etc. but base them on our opinions, then they have some real problems. They shouldn&#039;t be investing in real estate.  I offer no apologies. I will enjoy sitting on my deck enjoying a cold beer watching the sunset over the gulf.

[QUOTE=robertsondavies]
You guys are the joke.  It's pile on comments like yours, against Shelly's that have started to cost people money, and could result in a number of personal bankruptcies in the next 2 years.   Thanks a lot guys for casting doubt on the rare voices of reason, on this supposed "board" regarding real estate down here.... "board" to me would connote a give and take, an exchange of ideas...   not a bunch of appraisers/agents/investors ganging up on lonely voices of reason...   

To the comedians, by a show of hands, which one of you guys said "sell" a year ago?      

Thanks for your comic relief.     You think St. Joe's is above listening to Shelly?   You're probably right, but I think they may have noticed their stock price fall some 30% over the last several months, for starters, as a sign that perhaps Shelly has a better idea of real estate markets, than those who make jokes as people lose their life savings.[/QUOTE]

I can't believe I'm even dignifying these asinine comments with a response, but WHATEVER!-this entire board is getting out of control- I think I will finally heed my wife's advice and "Get a life" (maybe you should listen as well robertsondavies) and stop spending time on here.
But, since you asked ("To the comedians, by a show of hands, which one of you guys said "sell" a year ago?"), I have been saying to sell since fall of '04 if you were just trying to make a quick buck, but if you want to own beautiful coastal property at still cheap prices (and if you have any perspective on other coastal markets there is no argument that SOWAL is still cheap), my advice is Buy (but please don't accuse me of costing you your life's savings and sending you into personal bankruptcy if you're dumb enough to buy something you can't afford)! 

Peace-I'm out! Can't wait to throw down some cocktails at Bud and Alley's in a couple of weeks.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="robertsondavies">You guys are the joke. It&#039;s pile on comments like yours, against Shelly&#039;s that have started to cost people money, and could result in a number of personal bankruptcies in the next 2 years. Thanks a lot guys for casting doubt on the rare voices of reason, on this supposed &quot;board&quot; regarding real estate down here.... &quot;board&quot; to me would connote a give and take, an exchange of ideas... not a bunch of appraisers/agents/investors ganging up on lonely voices of reason... 
 
To the comedians, by a show of hands, which one of you guys said &quot;sell&quot; a year ago? 
 
Thanks for your comic relief. You think St. Joe&#039;s is above listening to Shelly? You&#039;re probably right, but I think they may have noticed their stock price fall some 30% over the last several months, for starters, as a sign that perhaps Shelly has a better idea of real estate markets, than those who make jokes as people lose their life savings.</blockquote> 
I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m even dignifying these asinine comments with a response, but WHATEVER!-this entire board is getting out of control- I think I will finally heed my wife&#039;s advice and &quot;Get a life&quot; (maybe you should listen as well robertsondavies) and stop spending time on here. 
But, since you asked (&quot;To the comedians, by a show of hands, which one of you guys said &quot;sell&quot; a year ago?&quot;), I have been saying to sell since fall of &#039;04 if you were just trying to make a quick buck, but if you want to own beautiful coastal property at still cheap prices (and if you have any perspective on other coastal markets there is no argument that SOWAL is still cheap), my advice is Buy (but please don&#039;t accuse me of costing you your life&#039;s savings and sending you into personal bankruptcy if you&#039;re dumb enough to buy something you can&#039;t afford)! 
 
Peace-I&#039;m out! Can&#039;t wait to throw down some cocktails at Bud and Alley&#039;s in a couple of weeks.

Jellyfish

I think the views of these two groups ( investulators trying to flip for quick profits and people who want an second home at the beach) obviously are quite different.  MId and Long term, no worries. On the other hand, those who bought for the quick buck on shaky financing, well, thats why they call it "speculating". I have talked to numerous people in that category, and the main reason they "invested" (ie: borrowed on home equity on option ARMs) was someone they knew made big money or they watched too many 
Rich Dad, Poor Dad informercials. Making money takes time and hard work, and leverage works both ways. Long term vs short term is the problem.

I think the views of these two groups ( investulators trying to flip for quick profits and people who want an second home at the beach) obviously are quite different. MId and Long term, no worries. On the other hand, those who bought for the quick buck on shaky financing, well, thats why they call it &quot;speculating&quot;. I have talked to numerous people in that category, and the main reason they &quot;invested&quot; (ie: borrowed on home equity on option ARMs) was someone they knew made big money or they watched too many 
Rich Dad, Poor Dad informercials. Making money takes time and hard work, and leverage works both ways. Long term vs short term is the problem.

TooFarTampa

SoWal Insider

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to SummerCamp. SHELLY do you have any concrete info? I've read that at some point the development had been cut in half to about 250 homes -- seemingly because it would be in an environmentally sensitive area. Did the DEP make some ruling, or Franklin County? Or did you just hear a rumor about deposits?

I&#039;m still trying to figure out what happened to SummerCamp. SHELLY do you have any concrete info? I&#039;ve read that at some point the development had been cut in half to about 250 homes -- seemingly because it would be in an environmentally sensitive area. Did the DEP make some ruling, or Franklin County? Or did you just hear a rumor about deposits?

SHELLY

[QUOTE=TooFarTampa]I'm still trying to figure out what happened to SummerCamp. SHELLY do you have any concrete info? I've read that at some point the development had been cut in half to about 250 homes -- seemingly because it would be in an environmentally sensitive area. Did the DEP make some ruling, or Franklin County? Or did you just hear a rumor about deposits?[/QUOTE]

Let's just say I'm working on a "hunch" right now....concrete info might appear in JOE's upcoming quarterly financial reports.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="TooFarTampa">I&#039;m still trying to figure out what happened to SummerCamp. SHELLY do you have any concrete info? I&#039;ve read that at some point the development had been cut in half to about 250 homes -- seemingly because it would be in an environmentally sensitive area. Did the DEP make some ruling, or Franklin County? Or did you just hear a rumor about deposits?</blockquote> 
Let&#039;s just say I&#039;m working on a &quot;hunch&quot; right now....concrete info might appear in JOE&#039;s upcoming quarterly financial reports.

Miss Kitty

Meow

[QUOTE=GreenWaveDave]I can't believe I'm even dignifying these asinine comments with a response, but WHATEVER!-this entire board is getting out of control- I think I will finally heed my wife's advice and "Get a life" (maybe you should listen as well robertsondavies) and stop spending time on here.
But, since you asked ("To the comedians, by a show of hands, which one of you guys said "sell" a year ago?"), I have been saying to sell since fall of '04 if you were just trying to make a quick buck, but if you want to own beautiful coastal property at still cheap prices (and if you have any perspective on other coastal markets there is no argument that SOWAL is still cheap), my advice is Buy (but please don't accuse me of costing you your life's savings and sending you into personal bankruptcy if you're dumb enough to buy something you can't afford)! 
 
Peace-I'm out! Can't wait to throw down some cocktails at Bud and Alley's in a couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]
 
"out of control"...this board????  :clap_1: , glad you noticed!!!!  Enjoy your drinks...but don't leave us!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="GreenWaveDave">I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m even dignifying these asinine comments with a response, but WHATEVER!-this entire board is getting out of control- I think I will finally heed my wife&#039;s advice and &quot;Get a life&quot; (maybe you should listen as well robertsondavies) and stop spending time on here. 
But, since you asked (&quot;To the comedians, by a show of hands, which one of you guys said &quot;sell&quot; a year ago?&quot;), I have been saying to sell since fall of &#039;04 if you were just trying to make a quick buck, but if you want to own beautiful coastal property at still cheap prices (and if you have any perspective on other coastal markets there is no argument that SOWAL is still cheap), my advice is Buy (but please don&#039;t accuse me of costing you your life&#039;s savings and sending you into personal bankruptcy if you&#039;re dumb enough to buy something you can&#039;t afford)! 
 
Peace-I&#039;m out! Can&#039;t wait to throw down some cocktails at Bud and Alley&#039;s in a couple of weeks.</blockquote> 
&quot;out of control&quot;...this board???? :clap_1: , glad you noticed!!!! Enjoy your drinks...but don&#039;t leave us!

Paula

[QUOTE=Jellyfish]I think the views of these two groups ( investulators trying to flip for quick profits and people who want an second home at the beach) obviously are quite different.  MId and Long term, no worries. On the other hand, those who bought for the quick buck on shaky financing, well, thats why they call it "speculating". I have talked to numerous people in that category, and the main reason they "invested" (ie: borrowed on home equity on option ARMs) was someone they knew made big money or they watched too many 
Rich Dad, Poor Dad informercials. Making money takes time and hard work, and leverage works both ways. Long term vs short term is the problem.[/QUOTE]


Jellyfish:  I agree with your investulator versus second-home owners.  I also agree, Jellyfish, that for most people making money takes time and hard work.  Most people who have second homes at the beach have thought through their decisions carefully.  

Personally, I liked the books "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" and "The Millionaire Next Door".  Did you read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad"?  My take-away from both books was to live under your means and invest wisely.   (although I have heard mixed reviews about Rich Dad, Poor Dad and some concerns seem reasonable.)  Planning on flipping properties wouldn't make sense unless you had a lot of money to risk and had the means to hold onto the properties in a bad market (I don't think either book talked about flipping properties, but I could be wrong since I read them about 5 years ago I think).  I didn't see anything about making a quick buck in these books (though I haven't watched the PBS special with the author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad).  I thought the authors emphasize careful, thoughtful, systematic financial planning and investing with a long-term focus and to have savings in the bank for emergencies.

For example, these books influenced our choice to buy our second cottage because we felt it would force us to invest money in the cottage rather than spend the money on things that don't add value (and that we can't enjoy for the long term).  We met with our accountant first to get his advice.  He said buying the second cottage was OK but not to buy any more and not to depend on rental income for paying down the mortgage or bills.  And we considered what would happen in difficult times.  We knew it was possible we'd have to work more jobs if we wanted to keep the second cottage especially if we lost rental income (e.g., due to a hurricane) and we're ready to do so if necessary.  We knew we lose money if the market turned and we had to sell, and were prepared to do so if necessary.  And we knew we'd have to save for a rainy day as well.  So far, so good, though -- the decision to buy the second cottage has paid off nicely in terms of current quality of life, future life planning (e.g., retirement and building/maintaining family connections), and financial investment.  Life could always throw something unexpected, but we can only plan for so much and then we have to just let life take its course.

Frankly, I think most people who can afford beach homes have thought through these kinds of details and know that, while they are likely to enjoy the benefits, they also have to be prepared for difficult periods.  In general, people are smart and thoughtful. 

Anyway, I recommend these books to the MBA students I teach because I think they remind people who make good incomes not to waste it, but instead to save and invest it.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Jellyfish">I think the views of these two groups ( investulators trying to flip for quick profits and people who want an second home at the beach) obviously are quite different. MId and Long term, no worries. On the other hand, those who bought for the quick buck on shaky financing, well, thats why they call it &quot;speculating&quot;. I have talked to numerous people in that category, and the main reason they &quot;invested&quot; (ie: borrowed on home equity on option ARMs) was someone they knew made big money or they watched too many 
Rich Dad, Poor Dad informercials. Making money takes time and hard work, and leverage works both ways. Long term vs short term is the problem.</blockquote> 
 
Jellyfish: I agree with your investulator versus second-home owners. I also agree, Jellyfish, that for most people making money takes time and hard work. Most people who have second homes at the beach have thought through their decisions carefully. 
 
Personally, I liked the books &quot;Rich Dad, Poor Dad&quot; and &quot;The Millionaire Next Door&quot;. Did you read &quot;Rich Dad, Poor Dad&quot;? My take-away from both books was to live under your means and invest wisely. (although I have heard mixed reviews about Rich Dad, Poor Dad and some concerns seem reasonable.) Planning on flipping properties wouldn&#039;t make sense unless you had a lot of money to risk and had the means to hold onto the properties in a bad market (I don&#039;t think either book talked about flipping properties, but I could be wrong since I read them about 5 years ago I think). I didn&#039;t see anything about making a quick buck in these books (though I haven&#039;t watched the PBS special with the author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad). I thought the authors emphasize careful, thoughtful, systematic financial planning and investing with a long-term focus and to have savings in the bank for emergencies. 
 
For example, these books influenced our choice to buy our second cottage because we felt it would force us to invest money in the cottage rather than spend the money on things that don&#039;t add value (and that we can&#039;t enjoy for the long term). We met with our accountant first to get his advice. He said buying the second cottage was OK but not to buy any more and not to depend on rental income for paying down the mortgage or bills. And we considered what would happen in difficult times. We knew it was possible we&#039;d have to work more jobs if we wanted to keep the second cottage especially if we lost rental income (e.g., due to a hurricane) and we&#039;re ready to do so if necessary. We knew we lose money if the market turned and we had to sell, and were prepared to do so if necessary. And we knew we&#039;d have to save for a rainy day as well. So far, so good, though -- the decision to buy the second cottage has paid off nicely in terms of current quality of life, future life planning (e.g., retirement and building/maintaining family connections), and financial investment. Life could always throw something unexpected, but we can only plan for so much and then we have to just let life take its course. 
 
Frankly, I think most people who can afford beach homes have thought through these kinds of details and know that, while they are likely to enjoy the benefits, they also have to be prepared for difficult periods. In general, people are smart and thoughtful. 
 
Anyway, I recommend these books to the MBA students I teach because I think they remind people who make good incomes not to waste it, but instead to save and invest it.

[QUOTE=robertsondavies]yeah, you people all say " you love it " and "good one"... to the hilarious comment that St. Joe may be returning deposits.   

I guess it's funny, but it's your crowd of owners/investulators/agents that populate this board that won't admit that SHELLY has been DEAD RIGHT, and Skier before her, right at the market peak.  

You guys are the joke.  It's pile on comments like yours, against Shelly's that have started to cost people money, and could result in a number of personal bankruptcies in the next 2 years.   Thanks a lot guys for casting doubt on the rare voices of reason, on this supposed "board" regarding real estate down here.... "board" to me would connote a give and take, an exchange of ideas...   not a bunch of appraisers/agents/investors ganging up on lonely voices of reason...   

[FONT=Georgia]First of all-- (and I, too cannot believe that I am dignifying your insults with a comment) you're statement of all of those that are tired of the complete negativity that Shelly seems to bring to this board being in ONE group is unfounded & ridiculous- I myself vacationed down here as a little girl and have always envisioned bringing my future family here to experience everything I did years ago- I am building a home ( a small one at that ) and plan to have it as long as possible- Yes the market is changing- That's a fact! But you know what-- the negativity and gloom and doom, world is coming to an end feature of this board is old and tired- That's all I have to say-- Gotta' get back to my LIFE and work so I can make money to pay for my little postage stamp piece of paradise!!!![/FONT]

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="robertsondavies">yeah, you people all say &quot; you love it &quot; and &quot;good one&quot;... to the hilarious comment that St. Joe may be returning deposits. 
 
I guess it&#039;s funny, but it&#039;s your crowd of owners/investulators/agents that populate this board that won&#039;t admit that SHELLY has been DEAD RIGHT, and Skier before her, right at the market peak. 
 
You guys are the joke. It&#039;s pile on comments like yours, against Shelly&#039;s that have started to cost people money, and could result in a number of personal bankruptcies in the next 2 years. Thanks a lot guys for casting doubt on the rare voices of reason, on this supposed &quot;board&quot; regarding real estate down here.... &quot;board&quot; to me would connote a give and take, an exchange of ideas... not a bunch of appraisers/agents/investors ganging up on lonely voices of reason... 
 
First of all-- (and I, too cannot believe that I am dignifying your insults with a comment) you&#039;re statement of all of those that are tired of the complete negativity that Shelly seems to bring to this board being in ONE group is unfounded &amp; ridiculous- I myself vacationed down here as a little girl and have always envisioned bringing my future family here to experience everything I did years ago- I am building a home ( a small one at that ) and plan to have it as long as possible- Yes the market is changing- That&#039;s a fact! But you know what-- the negativity and gloom and doom, world is coming to an end feature of this board is old and tired- That&#039;s all I have to say-- Gotta&#039; get back to my LIFE and work so I can make money to pay for my little postage stamp piece of paradise!!!!</blockquote>

[QUOTE=Paula]Personally, I liked the books "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" and "The Millionaire Next Door".  Did you read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad"?  My take-away from both books was to live under your means and invest wisely.   Planning on flipping properties wouldn't make sense unless you had a lot of money to risk and had the means to hold onto the properties in a bad market (I don't think either book talked about flipping properties, but I could be wrong since I read them about 5 years ago I think). [/QUOTE]

Robert Kiosaki (Rich Dad, Poor Dad) is currently touring the country as a keynote speaker (along with "The Donald") for the traveling road show [B]"Real Estate Wealth Expo"[/B] (tagline: One Weekend Can Make You a Millionaire)" -- next stop is May 6/7 in Atlanta.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Paula">Personally, I liked the books &quot;Rich Dad, Poor Dad&quot; and &quot;The Millionaire Next Door&quot;. Did you read &quot;Rich Dad, Poor Dad&quot;? My take-away from both books was to live under your means and invest wisely. Planning on flipping properties wouldn&#039;t make sense unless you had a lot of money to risk and had the means to hold onto the properties in a bad market (I don&#039;t think either book talked about flipping properties, but I could be wrong since I read them about 5 years ago I think).</blockquote> 
Robert Kiosaki (Rich Dad, Poor Dad) is currently touring the country as a keynote speaker (along with &quot;The Donald&quot;) for the traveling road show &quot;Real Estate Wealth Expo&quot; (tagline: One Weekend Can Make You a Millionaire)&quot; -- next stop is May 6/7 in Atlanta.

George

I visit this board from time to time to keep my finger on the pulse in terms of the real estate market along 30-A.  What I can't help but notice is that Shelly's comments are so completly and overwhelmingly negative that I have started to lose interest in visiting this board.  The shame is that Shelly has very valid, well forumlated and, in many instances, accurate opinions.  If these opinions were presented in a less cutting, sarcastic and bitter tone, I think the result would be a more open forum that focuses on different viewpoints rather than everyone fighting with each other about who is right.  It would seem to me that, regardless of whether you think the market is going to be fine or whether you think the worst is yet to come, none of us would be visiting this board if we did not have a vested interest in seeing the market regain strength and the area remain economically strong.  The negative tone to otherwise valid points certainly does nothing to help the market or those who own real estate in the market.  In fact, I found this board last year by doing a Google search, and I am sure people from all over the country who are interested in this area have stumbled upon this board.  Once doing so, I am sure many people are left scratching their heads and wondering why there is so much animosity and bitterness about this area.  Also, if the earlier post about personal bankruptices, etc. is true (which is certainly not the fault of any one person but rather choices people made with their own money), then I am sure those people would rather read about the current state of the market without feeling like they are being mocked.  In short, let the free flow of opinions continue, but let's try to present those opinions in a more respectful manner.

I visit this board from time to time to keep my finger on the pulse in terms of the real estate market along 30-A.  What I can&#039;t help but notice is that Shelly&#039;s comments are so completly and overwhelmingly negative that I have started to lose interest in visiting this board.  The shame is that Shelly has very valid, well forumlated and, in many instances, accurate opinions.  If these opinions were presented in a less cutting, sarcastic and bitter tone, I think the result would be a more open forum that focuses on different viewpoints rather than everyone fighting with each other about who is right.  It would seem to me that, regardless of whether you think the market is going to be fine or whether you think the worst is yet to come, none of us would be visiting this board if we did not have a vested interest in seeing the market regain strength and the area remain economically strong.  The negative tone to otherwise valid points certainly does nothing to help the market or those who own real estate in the market.  In fact, I found this board last year by doing a Google search, and I am sure people from all over the country who are interested in this area have stumbled upon this board.  Once doing so, I am sure many people are left scratching their heads and wondering why there is so much animosity and bitterness about this area.  Also, if the earlier post about personal bankruptices, etc. is true (which is certainly not the fault of any one person but rather choices people made with their own money), then I am sure those people would rather read about the current state of the market without feeling like they are being mocked.  In short, let the free flow of opinions continue, but let&#039;s try to present those opinions in a more respectful manner.

Beachlover2

[QUOTE=George]I visit this board from time to time to keep my finger on the pulse in terms of the real estate market along 30-A.  What I can't help but notice is that Shelly's comments are so completly and overwhelmingly negative that I have started to lose interest in visiting this board.  The shame is that Shelly has very valid, well forumlated and, in many instances, accurate opinions.  If these opinions were presented in a less cutting, sarcastic and bitter tone, I think the result would be a more open forum that focuses on different viewpoints rather than everyone fighting with each other about who is right.  It would seem to me that, regardless of whether you think the market is going to be fine or whether you think the worst is yet to come, none of us would be visiting this board if we did not have a vested interest in seeing the market regain strength and the area remain economically strong.  The negative tone to otherwise valid points certainly does nothing to help the market or those who own real estate in the market.  In fact, I found this board last year by doing a Google search, and I am sure people from all over the country who are interested in this area have stumbled upon this board.  Once doing so, I am sure many people are left scratching their heads and wondering why there is so much animosity and bitterness about this area.  Also, if the earlier post about personal bankruptices, etc. is true (which is certainly not the fault of any one person but rather choices people made with their own money), then I am sure those people would rather read about the current state of the market without feeling like they are being mocked.  In short, let the free flow of opinions continue, but let's try to present those opinions in a more respectful manner.[/QUOTE]
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Very well put George - Thank you for your post!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="George">I visit this board from time to time to keep my finger on the pulse in terms of the real estate market along 30-A. What I can&#039;t help but notice is that Shelly&#039;s comments are so completly and overwhelmingly negative that I have started to lose interest in visiting this board. The shame is that Shelly has very valid, well forumlated and, in many instances, accurate opinions. If these opinions were presented in a less cutting, sarcastic and bitter tone, I think the result would be a more open forum that focuses on different viewpoints rather than everyone fighting with each other about who is right. It would seem to me that, regardless of whether you think the market is going to be fine or whether you think the worst is yet to come, none of us would be visiting this board if we did not have a vested interest in seeing the market regain strength and the area remain economically strong. The negative tone to otherwise valid points certainly does nothing to help the market or those who own real estate in the market. In fact, I found this board last year by doing a Google search, and I am sure people from all over the country who are interested in this area have stumbled upon this board. Once doing so, I am sure many people are left scratching their heads and wondering why there is so much animosity and bitterness about this area. Also, if the earlier post about personal bankruptices, etc. is true (which is certainly not the fault of any one person but rather choices people made with their own money), then I am sure those people would rather read about the current state of the market without feeling like they are being mocked. In short, let the free flow of opinions continue, but let&#039;s try to present those opinions in a more respectful manner.</blockquote> :clap_1: :clap_1: 
 
Very well put George - Thank you for your post!

[QUOTE]Robert Kiosaki (Rich Dad, Poor Dad) is currently touring the country as a keynote speaker (along with "The Donald") for the traveling road show "Real Estate Wealth Expo" (tagline: One Weekend Can Make You a Millionaire)" -- next stop is May 6/7 in Atlanta.[/QUOTE] 

I have read both books, and yes, there are many pearls in there. What I think is misleading is they recommend just about everyone get leveraged to the hilt and buy up property. Yes, it works if you do your homework, yes its hard work, unless you are just in the right market at the right time (remember day traders in the 90s). The methods they expouse depend on rapidly rising values. All the short term net worth comes from increasing appraisals. Getting people to go in thinking all RE is going to go up 10% a year is misleading.

When everyone starts doing something, time to bail.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="">Robert Kiosaki (Rich Dad, Poor Dad) is currently touring the country as a keynote speaker (along with &quot;The Donald&quot;) for the traveling road show &quot;Real Estate Wealth Expo&quot; (tagline: One Weekend Can Make You a Millionaire)&quot; -- next stop is May 6/7 in Atlanta.</blockquote> 
I have read both books, and yes, there are many pearls in there. What I think is misleading is they recommend just about everyone get leveraged to the hilt and buy up property. Yes, it works if you do your homework, yes its hard work, unless you are just in the right market at the right time (remember day traders in the 90s). The methods they expouse depend on rapidly rising values. All the short term net worth comes from increasing appraisals. Getting people to go in thinking all RE is going to go up 10% a year is misleading. 
 
When everyone starts doing something, time to bail.

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