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Housing in U.S. Poised to Worsen, Derivatives Show (Update1)

By Darrell Hassler and Hamish Risk
Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- The slumping U.S. housing market is about to get a lot worse, according to traders of mortgage-backed securities and the so-called derivatives on which they are based.
The ABX index, which measures the risk of owning bonds backed by home-loans to people with poor credit, rose 30 percent since Aug. 9 to the highest since January. There are more than $500 billion of such notes outstanding.
The increase in the index shows traders expect mortgage delinquencies and foreclosures to increase at a time when the number of homes for sale as measured by the National Association of Realtors is at a 13-year high. The percentage of home-loan payments more than 60 days delinquent rose to 7.23 percent in July from 5.9 percent a year earlier, the fastest rate of increase since 1998, Moody's Investors Service said Oct. 17.
``Delinquency trends and home prices'' show a weakening real estate market, said Scott Eichel, head of credit trading for New York-based Bear Stearns & Co., the biggest underwriter of bonds backed by mortgages. ``A lot of investors that have concerns about the housing market'' are using the ABX index to speculate on a continued drop, he said.
Sales of new and existing homes probably will drop 9.4 percent to 6.76 million in 2006 from a record last year, McLean, Virginia-based mortgage buyer Freddie Mac said Oct. 10. Home sales have risen the past five years.
ABX Index
The ABX index, created by London-based Markit Group Ltd., measures prices of credit-default swaps based on the $565 billion of bonds secured by so-called subprime mortgages and home-equity loans. Credit-default swaps are financial instruments based on bonds and loans that are used to speculate on the ability of borrowers to repay debt. An increase in price indicates deterioration in the perception of credit quality; a decline suggests improvement.
The index tracks 20 asset-backed securities that contain loans rated BBB-, the lowest level of investment grade debt. Based on the index, it costs an investor $267,000 to protect $10 million of bonds against default for five years, up from $205,000 in August. The investor would get face value for the bonds in exchange for the securities should a borrower fail to adhere to the debt agreements.
`Unequivocally Bad'
``The unequivocally bad housing data we've seen'' is prompting investors to seek to profit from potential declines in mortgage-backed securities, said Greg Lippmann, the head of asset-backed trading at Deutsche Bank AG in New York who helped create the ABX indexes in January.
Contracts covering $5 billion of home-loan debt change hands daily, he said. Derivatives are contracts whose value is derived from stocks, bonds, loans, currencies and commodities, or linked to specific events such as changes in interest rates or the weather.
The housing boom spawned new types of mortgages that allowed consumers to buy homes they may not have been able to afford otherwise.
About 18 percent of all mortgages issued in the first half of the year were to borrowers considered most likely to default, such as those with high credit-card balances, up from 2.4 percent in 1998, based on data from the Mortgage Bankers Association. The Washington-based trade group's 2,700 members represent 70 percent of the home-loan business.
The amount of bonds backed by subprime loans more than doubled since 2001, according to the Bond Market Association, a New York-based trade group of more than 200 securities firms.
Worst Month
A Merrill Lynch & Co. index of debt securities derived from home-equity loans rated AA to BBB is having its worst month this year, falling 0.01 percent. They have returned 4.54 percent since the end of December. Banks and lenders such as Countrywide Financial Corp. in Calabasas, California, and Washington Mutual Inc. of Seattle typically take mortgages and package them into bonds for sale to investors. The bonds are then divided into pieces of varying risk.
More borrowers are finding it harder to meet interest payments following 17 interest-rate increases by the Federal Reserve since mid-2004.
The default rate for subprime loans rose to 7.35 percent in July from 5.51 percent a year earlier, according to investment bank Friedman Billings Ramsey Group Inc. in Arlington Virginia.
Nine percent of all subprime loans made in 2006 may default within five years, the worst performance since at least 1998, Glenn Schultz, head of asset-backed securities at Charlotte, North Carolina-based Wachovia Corp., said in an Oct. 17 report.
`More Visibility'
``People have a little more visibility on the slowdown than they did two or three months ago,'' said Andrew Chow, who manages $5.5 billion of asset-backed securities and credit-default swaps at Seneca Capital Management in San Francisco.
Bill Gross, manager of the world's biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co. in Newport Beach, California, forecasts the housing slump will cause the economy to slow and force the Fed to lower interest rates to 4.5 percent next year. The central bank's target for overnight loans between banks is 5.25 percent. Pimco is a unit of Munich-based Allianz SE.
The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo said on Oct. 17 that its index of builder confidence this month rose to 31 from 30 in September, the first increase in a year.
Housing starts in September rose to an annual rate of 1.772 million from a 1.674 million pace in August, the Commerce Department in Washington said Oct. 18. The median estimate of 61 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News was for a decline to an annual rate of 1.64 million.
Falling Prices
Even with the gains, the National Association of Realtors this month predicted prices of new homes may fall for the first time in 15 years. The trade group on Oct. 11 estimates that the median price of a new U.S. home probably will drop 0.2 percent to $240,500. The inventory of homes on the market rose to a record 3.92 million, the group said Sept. 25.
Most credit-default swap trading is in securities rated BBB or BBB- because they are the most volatile and have the greatest chance to be profitable, said Jack McCleary, head of asset-backed trading for UBS AG in New York.
Subprime mortgages with those credit ratings historically have had losses of about 5 percent of the loan value, McCleary said. Some investors are betting that losses may increase to 12 to 14 percent in the next three years, which could exponentially increase value of credit-default swaps, he said.
``In effect, it's a lottery ticket,'' he said.

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Paula avatar
PaulaBeach Fanatic
#2
Mango, I live in Ann Arbor and I think that article had Ann Arbor, MI listed as one of the top 10 cities for mortgage foreclosures. We have several houses in our neighborhood -- two right next to us -- that have been on the market for over a year and the prices are going down every few weeks. There won't be foreclosures involved for those families, but they families are likely to lose $ on their homes if and when they sell. (Unless they decide to rent the homes out for a few years). It's tough for lots of people.
Mango avatar
MangoSoWal InsiderAuthor
#3
Mango, I live in Ann Arbor and I think that article had Ann Arbor, MI listed as one of the top 10 cities for mortgage foreclosures. We have several houses in our neighborhood -- two right next to us -- that have been on the market for over a year and the prices are going down every few weeks. There won't be foreclosures involved for those families, but they families are likely to lose $ on their homes if and when they sell. (Unless they decide to rent the homes out for a few years). It's tough for lots of people.

Paula:
I think you may be referring to a differnet article. This one is gauging delinquencies on subprime mortgages. Those are mortgages that were made to people with less than stellar credit.
Sorry to hear about the families trying to sell. :(
SHELLY avatar
SHELLYSoWal Insider
#4
"Interest never sleeps nor sickens nor dies; it never goes to the hospital; it works on Sundays and holidays; it never takes a vacation. . . . Once in debt, interest is your companion every minute of the day and night; you cannot shun it or slip away from it; you cannot dismiss it; it yields neither to entreaties, demands, or orders; and whenever you get in its way or cross its course or fail to meet its demands, it crushes you."--Countrywide Financial

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goofer avatar
gooferBeach Fanatic
#5
Sounds like my wife.:funn:
Miss Kitty avatar
Miss KittyMeow
#6
Sounds like my wife.:funn:

:floor: ...thanks for the early morning laugh!!!
John R avatar
John Rneeds to get out more
#7
so i bought too early??;-) i'll just service my loan nicely, and hop on a lower rate in a year.
SHELLY avatar
SHELLYSoWal Insider
#9
Here's one at usatoday.com today for the Flippers out there:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2006-10-22-young-flipper-usat_x.htm

Also, this week NBC Nightly News is doing a series 'Housing on the Bubble'.

I've been following this investulator's "tale of woe" from day-one on his website iamfacingforeclosure.com. It is a situation that is overwhelmingly pathetic on so many levels. This kid who probably can't figure out how to unscrew a child-proof cap on a bottle of aspirin was able to buy 6 houses in several states; run up $140,000 in credit card debt; and borrow over $2-million--WITHOUT A JOB!

Yes, this real estate run-up was based on fundamentals....Not!
JellyfishBeach Lover
#10
That guy is a a fraud, habitual liar and a moron. Anyone who feels sorry for him is an idiot as well. I love the fact he seems to have no remorse whatsoever, just looking for the next deal to bail him out. The system didnt use him, he used the system. Next stop BK and possibly jail if the lenders want to get tough.
BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
BlueMtnBeachVagrantBeach Fanatic
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"Interest never sleeps nor sickens nor dies; it never goes to the hospital; it works on Sundays and holidays; it never takes a vacation. . . . Once in debt, interest is your companion every minute of the day and night; you cannot shun it or slip away from it; you cannot dismiss it; it yields neither to entreaties, demands, or orders; and whenever you get in its way or cross its course or fail to meet its demands, it crushes you."--Countrywide Financial

Is this a coincidence?
From http://iamfacingforeclosure.com ....


Regardless of the source, it's as true as tax and death.
SHELLY avatar
SHELLYSoWal Insider
#12
Is this a coincidence?
From http://iamfacingforeclosure.com ....

No, it was on purpose....the quote fit the subject thread. (The "author," however, was artistic license.😀 )

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Mango avatar
MangoSoWal InsiderAuthor
#13
"Interest never sleeps nor sickens nor dies; it never goes to the hospital; it works on Sundays and holidays; it never takes a vacation. . . . Once in debt, interest is your companion every minute of the day and night; you cannot shun it or slip away from it; you cannot dismiss it; it yields neither to entreaties, demands, or orders; and whenever you get in its way or cross its course or fail to meet its demands, it crushes you."--Countrywide Financial

Sounds like my wife.:funn:

:lolabove: :floor:

I do not know how any Lender would have made a stated income loan to someone who is only 24 years, he was still in diapers, and they let him get 6 mortgages! Sorry, but yes 1) he is young and stupid and commited fraud, but the Lenders are also largely responsible for allowing this happen. An underwriter of a mortgage has every right to question the income stated on his loan application without it being age discriminatory.
A loan like that would have been desk denied before it even reached the underwriter at the Bank in my shop.

I think I may have to become a fraud investigator. I would have too much funn. ;-)

and John R, you didn't buy too early. There shouldn't be any "timing" on buying a house you love to live in, and from past experience, foreclosures aren't the grayt buys they may appear. Banks are not in the "management business, and most of the homes have been neglected prior to the Bank taking over, so there are always inherent problems with them.
Paula avatar
PaulaBeach Fanatic
#14
Paula:
I think you may be referring to a different article. This one is gauging delinquencies on subprime mortgages. Those are mortgages that were made to people with less than stellar credit.
Sorry to hear about the families trying to sell. :(

You're right Mango. The people I know who are trying to sell are not in dire straights and most likely have good credit but they certainly have had to make some significant changes in their lives to be able to manage their houses (e.g., take on extra jobs to handle two mortgage payments because they can't sell one of the houses). I can't remember the exact WSJ article I saw, but I do know that Ann Arbor was on a list related to problems in the housing market (a list we really didn't want to be on, though as with SoWal, it's a good time to buy in our neighborhood!). If I had a little $, I know I'd invest in a nice small house in our neighborhood in Ann Arbor and rent it out. But SoWal has my extra $ for mortgage payments, as well as my :wub:.

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Mango avatar
MangoSoWal InsiderAuthor
#15
You're right Mango. The people I know who are trying to sell are not in dire straights and most likely have good credit but they certainly have had to make some significant changes in their lives to be able to manage their houses (e.g., take on extra jobs to handle two mortgage payments because they can't sell one of the houses). I can't remember the exact WSJ article I saw, but I do know that Ann Arbor was on a list related to problems in the housing market (a list we really didn't want to be on, though as with SoWal, it's a good time to buy in our neighborhood!). If I had a little $, I know I'd invest in a nice small house in our neighborhood in Ann Arbor and rent it out. But SoWal has my extra $ for mortgage payments, as well as my :wub:.

I hear ya gullfriend. :wub:
SHELLY avatar
SHELLYSoWal Insider
#16
I can't remember the exact WSJ article I saw, but I do know that Ann Arbor was on a list related to problems in the housing market (a list we really didn't want to be on, though as with SoWal, it's a good time to buy in our neighborhood!).

Here's the WSJ Article and Chart.

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SHELLY avatar
SHELLYSoWal Insider
#17
I think I may have to become a fraud investigator. I would have too much funn. ;-)

A law firm is sponsoring a Mortgage Fraud Blog with all kinds of articles and updates. Tune in and watch as this mess unwinds before our eyes!

And for those who are "in the biz" and know the lingo, THIS STORY about fraud in Florida (where else?) unwinds like a Hitchcock novel.

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Mango avatar
MangoSoWal InsiderAuthor
#18
A law firm is sponsoring a Mortgage Fraud Blog with all kinds of articles and updates. Tune in and watch as this mess unwinds before our eyes!

And for those who are "in the biz" and know the lingo, THIS STORY about fraud in Florida (where else?) unwinds like a Hitchcock novel.

Thanks Shelly. I think this one is my favorite:
Emzie Huletty, Jr., mortgage broker, Georgia, was sentenced to two years in prison and ordered to pay over $226,000 in restitution. Huletty was indicted in August 2005 on six counts of wire fraud and three counts
According to the indictment, Huletty owned Truth Financial Services
:lolabove: :funn:
BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
BlueMtnBeachVagrantBeach Fanatic
#19
...
And for those who are "in the biz" and know the lingo, THIS STORY about fraud in Florida (where else?) unwinds like a Hitchcock novel.

from the article....
"TRIBUNE INVESTIGATION
Findings:
?Thirty-six homes, mostly in working-class Pinellas County neighborhoods, sold for an average of $60,000 above the asking price.
?The sellers received near or below the original asking price.
?The rest of the money - at least $2 million collectively - was paid to investor groups involved in the deals.
?In two cases, two sets of settlement documents were created: one for the broker that shows a "payoff" and one for the lender that does not. Federal and state laws prohibit misrepresenting where the money goes in closing documents."

Shelly, educate me;-) . Is the bottom line that the investor group is formed (shielding personal liability) to buy houses, falsely inflating the value during the loan application process, going to closing, paying the seller their asking price and pocketing the difference (after paying off the appraiser, title company, RE agent)? Then the investor group is saddled with over-priced homes and associated mortgages which they more than likely will default on unless of course the house were to actually go up in value beyond the loan value when they sell the house.

BUT if the house does NOT go up in value, then if they default, they still keep this "illegal inflated value difference" (difference between what the seller gets and what the loan is for) and the mortgage companies are left holding the bag (what's left).

Bottom line is the mortgage companies are screwed because they loaned much more money than the house is worth (negative collateral). But then again didn't the mortgage companies turn around and bend over?

It just seems so obvious, criminally speaking, that I can't imagine how the organizers of the group thought they would "get away" with it in the long term.

I might be missing something here.


No, it was on purpose....the quote fit the subject thread. (The "author," however, was artistic license. )
BTW the coincidence I mentioned earlier about the saying...yours was quoted from Countrywide, the other in the picture was from somebody else. Yet they both "show up" in the same thread.


I hate to say it, but you're starting to win me over just a wee bit with all your "negativity". You may not want a person like me in your camp as I come with a lot of baggage! :roll:

At least my basis was established in 2002 so if it goes below that, well... just damn.
Paula avatar
PaulaBeach Fanatic
#20
Thanks for the article, Shelly.

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