Redfish Village Beach Access

John I think there are three or four partners in Mosaic.

which entity owns the properties being discussed here? New orchard group or mosaic?

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John I think there are three or four partners in Mosaic.

Kevin, I am sure there are, but not sure how many are also involved in RFV.

Here we go again. It looks like beachbumguy is edroedrog. Are you guys the same ones who blamed 9/11 on Bush?

Link doesn't work...

Snapshot below:

http://www.sowal.com/bb/gallery/showimage.php?i=4876

In other words... Mosaic Capital Partners II changed their name to New Orchard Group in October of 2005 (state of Georgia).

SJ, I don't know what it has to do with the subject either but let's give beachbumguy a little latitude.

Beachbumguy, can this bit of info help our cause?

Well it may not be important to you all, but it seems like it would be kind of important to know what the name of the developer/company who is doing this development.

If something goes wrong with the development who exactly is responsible/liable?

New Orchard Group, New Orchard Group II, Mosaic Capital Partners I or II?? Redfish Village LLC? H20 Properties?

Kevin Thompson, this has nothing to do with 9/11 and George Bush.

It is simply a question as to who in the hell the developer is and why are there all these different corporations involved with the same individuals?

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the individuals trying to avoid any personal liability.

Ok I will bite. Where is your property?

What is your position on this issue?

What do you mean by "if something goes wrong with the development"?

And are you saying you think that it is bad for the developers to use LLC's? I use LLC's for my own personal real estate purchases I hope you don't think I am a bad person for that?

What exactly are you trying to say in your post. It is suspect when you jump in and ask innocently "who is this mosaic and new orchard" and an hour later you type in "Redfish Village, LLC" when I do not even see that LLC listed in the list you posted. Your cute little methods are irritating just say what you mean! My motivation is right there for you to argue I want the beach access west of 83 because I am east of 83. Call me selfish but I think it is the best alternative for Blue Mountain Beach. I live in a residential preservation area and west of 83 is mostly condominiums. But you and Edroedrog one in the same constantly come on here and try to make it seem like there is some big conspiracy beyond a developer trying to do something whether for money or not. I have said it before I know people involved and like them so your efforts to smear them as innocent or naive as you try to sound upsets me.

........My motivation is right there for you to argue I want the beach access west of 83 because I am east of 83. Call me selfish but I think it is the best alternative for Blue Mountain Beach. I live in a residential preservation area and west of 83 is mostly condominiums. But you and Edroedrog one in the same constantly come on here and try to make it seem like there is some big conspiracy beyond a developer trying to do something whether for money or not. I have said it before I know people involved and like them so your efforts to smear them as innocent or naive as you try to sound upsets me.

KT, I've followed your posts with some amusement.

You have repeated your idea above before in this thread (no problem with that). But I'll be damned if you don't appear to look like a RFV insider of some sort.

What's my reason for this observation?

Repeatedly, you have stated that you want the beach access west of 83 because you are east of 83.

Like a clever(?) attorney for RFV, your statement implies that there is going to be a private beach access for RFV on one side or the other. Either way, RFV would get what they want.

BUT, the POINT to this thread is that RFV is not entitled to either lot on either side of the 83 access....PERIOD.

Lack of neighborhood COMPATIBILITY is the reason (as per Walton County's Land Use Code for residential infill zone lots).


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You could possibly actually own property on the west side as you say.

It's funny how many "influential" people who live or own property on the "east" side of 83....

George Ralph Miller - RFV attorney, ex-county attorney
Pat Blackshear - Director of Planning, Walton County
Anita Page - SWCC (South Walton Community Council)
Richard Fowlkes - BMBCA (Blue Mtn Beach Community Assoc)

These neighbors probably don't want RFV pedestrian or vehicular traffic going down their public streets either.

Here's a clip from the BMBCA (Richard Fowlkes and Anita Page are directors/members) meeting on October 2nd, 2006 regarding RFV and the (then) recent purchase of the 2nd bathroom lot. I bolded what is par for the course in South Walton County:

Redfish Village Developers Buy An Additional Lot On Blue Mountain Road

Developers of Redfish Village, finding they were unable to provide a private beach access to their clients at Redfish Village within the Blue Mountain Beach subdivision, purchased an additional beachfront lot just west of highway 83 at 260 Blue Mountain Road. BMBCA had fought Redfish Village?s attempt to develop a lot within the subdivision for anything other than a single family home as required by code. The new location is the former home site of Sandra Cawthon located three homes west of the highway 83 beach access.

Initially we are told the developer wanted to build two homes on their new property, which has an Infill land use designation. That designation allows up to 8 units per acre but with the size of the lot being much smaller than an acre they could have built three units. The Infill designation also allows for a commercial element. We worked with Commissioner Meadows in an attempt to see the developers did not violate any county rules and regulations. As discussions progressed the developer decided to drop the new buildings from two to one and then decided to not build any homes on the lot at all. They will be installing two bathrooms and two outdoor showers. There will be a place to park bikes and two parking places for maintenance. It is the intention of the developers to get people to the beach access via trolley. The route of the trolley is to be down 30-A up highway 83 and then right onto Blue Mountain Road to the property and back the same way.

Because the developer will be tearing down the duplex home on this site and replacing it with two bathrooms this will be a minor development and they will not be required to go before the BCC, so the commissioners will not be involved in the change at this property.

Unfortunately with more development there will be more and more individuals attempting to get to the beach. Our beach access points are very limited as is the parking but that will not stop new visitors. It is probably a good thing that some of these people from Redfish Village are being diverted from the regional beach walkover at highway 83 and the three neighborhood beach walkovers in the Blue Mountain Beach subdivision to their own site. It is also probably a good thing that there will be just two bathrooms at the site rather than three homes with all the parking that can come with those structures.

The first bolded part regarding the minor development order was wrong on BMBCA's part. I'm a little disappointed in their just bending over regarding this. The rest of us had to fight to make this a major development order as it should have been.

The rest of the bolded stuff, especially in red, is the "not in my backyard mentality" of the very group that was formed to help protect and be an advocate for our local neighborhoods. In the same BMBCA meeting they discuss all kinds of things in areas located further away from them (and not part of their subdivision) than the 260 lot such as Gulf Trace.

Notice the item in blue....It is also probably a good thing that there will be just two bathrooms at the site rather than three homes with all the parking that can come with those structures.

Now that I have re-read the above, it almost sounds word for word what Jason Bryan, of Walton County Planning Technical Review Committee who is assigned to this project, said during the TRC a couple of weeks ago....

That is, he stated that the use of the 260 Blue Mountain Road lot as a bathroom lot for private access for 80 condos (over 300 people) was a better use for this property than having condos built on it.

A neighbor stood up and "took issue" with his statement and stated that he felt condos would be a much better use for this property. Pretty obvious.

Keep in mind that only 3 units could probably be built on this property from what I've seen (ABSOLUTE max would be 4).

Mr. Jason Bryan was off base when making such a statement. I believe this shows the flagrant slant and favoritism that the Planning Commission and Walton County is making regarding this project.

Is this idea (of what is a better use for the lot), BMBCA is trying to convince the County of? OR is this the idea that the County is trying to convince BMBCA of (and BMBCA apparently agrees with)? Either way the idea is not acceptable AND I have little or no faith in BMBCA as a result.

In summary, I don't think RFV or Walton County expected all the opposition that they have received. This IS one bad project where the small voices collectively can have an impact in preventing.

Kevin Thompson:

How have i smeared your friends at Mosaic I, II, or III; New Orchard Group I, II; Redfish Village LLC?

Just asking simple questions. You seem might defensive. Is someone hitting too close to home for you or something??

Just seems odd that there are so many different corporations involved in this one project when it appears that the actual people in the corporations are the same.

Since you are such good friends with these people why don't you tell us the name of the corporation who is in charge of this development and who the individuals are in that specific corporation.

The neighbors have a right to know who they are dealing with don't you agree? It just seems kind of confusing with all these different companies for one project when the individuals in the corporations are all the same.

Vagrant, I believe KT has stated the his property is on the "East" side of 83. Typo on your part? Have I missed something?

I know that a couple of you who are opposed to the private access also have your properties listed for sale. For you guys in particular, why do you care whether there are two bathrooms or five condos on a property near the property which you intend to sell? Just curious.

I know that a couple of you who are opposed to the private access also have your properties listed for sale. For you guys in particular, why do you care whether there are two bathrooms or five condos on a property near the property which you intend to sell? Just curious.

Good point Joe. See a lot of talk here but no action.

Vagrant just because you think my position (and all those other influential people east of 83) is not as idealistic as yours, it is still ok to have. At least I am the only one admitting that part of my motivation is "not in my backyard". Is that part of yours or are you only selfless and "fighting the good fight". From the way you say it, Anita Page, Richard Fowlkes and Pat Blackshear would all be insiders. Is it possible that somebody has a position that is different than yours and maybe they have as much right as you do to have that position? You are very emphatic and you post like your word is the final word.

I know that a couple of you who are opposed to the private access also have your properties listed for sale. For you guys in particular, why do you care whether there are two bathrooms or five condos on a property near the property which you intend to sell? Just curious.

Maybe because "gulf and toilets view" and "frequent passing din of tolleys loaded with wet tourists" might not come across as attractive selling points in the MLS copy?

Maybe because "gulf and toilets view" and "frequent passing din of tolleys loaded with wet tourists" might not come across as attractive selling points in the MLS copy?

You have a good point, but I don't see those bathrooms in the listings. (I am sure that these owners will be disclosing that information to the buyers in the Seller's Property Disclosure, or else they risk lawsuit from the buyers. ;-))

does anyone know where one can get renderings of these bathrooms that are going to be on this lot on the gulf? are they going to be public or private bathrooms?

how do they plan to restrict access/use of these private bathrooms?

are you going to need a restricted passkey or is there going to be some sort of secret handshake or password?

how do they plan to restrict access/use of these private bathrooms?

are you going to need a restricted passkey or is there going to be some sort of secret handshake or password?

the developer mentioned gates across the north and south sides of property, so there would probably be passcodes or passcards for the users.

does anyone know where one can get renderings of these bathrooms that are going to be on this lot on the gulf? are they going to be public or private bathrooms?

BeachBumguy. We need to have a beer/Cosmo or just a nice steak. FYI-Be careful on this tread SJ will clear up the facts about property and KT will attack you if you talk bad about his buds.

Here are the renderings http://www.redfishvillage.com/renderings.html. Do not believe everything you see or read from the Trailer Park(I am trying to be nice ATM). You might want to ask the Trailer for a new set of drawings. KT-They do have them don't they?(Sorry ATM)

KT-I am not BeachBumGuy but I LIKE his style..

does anyone know where one can get renderings of these bathrooms that are going to be on this lot on the gulf? are they going to be public or private bathrooms?

Has anyone talked to District 4 Senator? He is a member of the Committee on Environmental Preservation and Conservation.

I have been reading on the flsenate site mostly lobbyist section tonight and found that he is on this site as someone that could be of SOME help.

BMBV-Has anyone talked to him about what is going on. I am NOT certain he is aware of the "enhancement".

Has anyone talked to District 4 Senator? He is a member of the Committee on Environmental Preservation and Conservation.

I have been reading on the flsenate site mostly lobbyist section tonight and found that he is on this site as someone that could be of SOME help.

BMBV-Has anyone talked to him about what is going on. I am NOT certain he is aware of the "enhancement".

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I drove by the area today. I see why some are concerned.