Redfish Village Beach Access

Nope - he was neither positive or negative. JR Seemed to be trying to make a suggestion to help out both sides but both sides are not gonna get any closer together on this one.

What was the suggestion?

John R...as I said in our earlier communication this morning, I am surprised to learn that you did not know where the property is...

this is the part i'm confused about. i pm'd you requesting use and that's it. i got no response, and used it anyway. i have/had no communication back from you in the form of a PM.

I do not plan on getting into this hornet's nest except to let everyone know that it is my understanding that NO properties located between Big Redfish Lake and the CR83 access own to the water's edge. There is a platted public beach in front of all of them. To the west of CR83 is another issue entirely as most of those deeds read to the water's edge. I don't know if this matters, I just thought it may help in the highlighted section above.

Brad...could you save me some time and energy by pointing me to the recorded platted public beach you reference; where in the Walton County records, for that sub-division, is that defined and recorded?

Good to hear from you!

this is the part i'm confused about. i pm'd you requesting use and that's it. i got no response, and used it anyway. i have/had no communication back from you in the form of a PM.

I responded to your private post; if you didn't get my response to your private post, why did you go ahead and use the comment?

Also, why are you using a private post to discuss these issues with me? Please use the open forum in the future.

My understanding of the meeting is that an alternative was offered: Redfish Village should make use of the 4 public beach access walkways that are in the neighborhood right in front of the Redfish Village Development. There are four roads that become six roads going directly to these walkways directly across C-30A from Redfish Village. Why can't these roads and walkways be used to spread out these folks and do less damage to the beach? The access is already there!

if i recall correctly, mr. zeitlin was the one who mentioned it, that his people could use any of them, but they preffered to offer the shuttle service

Also, why is it the neighborhood's responsibility to offer a solution to Redfish Village's dilemma. The neighborhood didn't create the Redfish Village access problem; Redfish Village did that by themselves.

it's not, but they seem to feel it's their job to fight against what RF want's to do with their property. who created the problem will eventually be decided by the court. or arbitration, or something. so, based on that, if RF gets their desired outcome, it will be percieved(sp?) the the BMB group created the problem, if indeed the outcome is in favor of thr BMB group, then it will appear the RF created the problem.

guess we'll have to wait and see.

My understanding of the meeting is that an alternative was offered: Redfish Village should make use of the 4 public beach access walkways that are in the neighborhood right in front of the Redfish Village Development. There are four roads that become six roads going directly to these walkways directly across C-30A from Redfish Village. Why can't these roads and walkways be used to spread out these folks and do less damage to the beach? The access is already there!

That was not offered as an alternative but it is an existing situation that was discussed. The neighbors also object to people walking and driving through their neighborhood and fear their peace will be disturbed and their roads and beaches trashed. (The attachment below was sent out quite awhile ago and is kind of funny in a way, but not really.) However there's nothing legally they can do about that.

John R made a comment about the developers using the public access at 83 as an alternative but he probably didn't realize that the developer is on the hook to provide a private access to the east of 83 at the end of Sand Dunes Road. The 2nd lot they're working on now to the west of 83 is a material change and contracts will probably be voided by many purchasers.

I responded to your private post; if you didn't get my response to your private post, why did you go ahead and use the comment?

Also, why are you using a private post to discuss these issues with me? Please use the open forum in the future.

as i mentioned, i did not receive any correspondance from you.

this is the extent of my PM to you: i hope you don't mind if i use that in my sig line for a while. lmao.

i'm confused as how the above constitutes discussing the issues with you.

What was the suggestion?

i suggest that since you are so close with the BMB group, you acquire a copy of the minutes from them, as your trolling is wearing thin.

as i mentioned, i did not receive any correspondance from you.

this is the extent of my PM to you: i hope you don't mind if i use that in my sig line for a while. lmao.

i'm confused as how the above constitutes discussing the issues with you.

What was your "suggestion"?

this is the part i'm confused about. i pm'd you requesting use and that's it. i got no response, and used it anyway. i have/had no communication back from you in the form of a PM.

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i spit my cereal out reading that one. good thing i turned my head, or my computer would have fried. i'm still laughing. confused as to the cross-post though. but i did get a response.;-) hopefully you'll get to the bottom of this surfrider thing somehow. why not come to the next meeting?


Are you just coming off or going on your meds?

SJ...well said; what are the two developments you mention? I only know of Redfish Village that is trying to get private access for their owners, guest, renters and invitees.

I didn't say that the two developments were trying to get private access, even though Redfish Village is trying to do so. Rather, I state that they will be using the public access at hwy 83. In addition to Redfish Village owners and guests using that public access, the new subdivision located adjacent and north of Redfish Village will also be using that public access at 83. I forget the name of that s/d, but it is the 4th of the developments which I mention heavily impacting BMB. Those developers have already illegally built a bridge across the wetlands around the northern edge of Big Redfish Lake, which was totally unnecessisary.

Brad...could you save me some time and energy by pointing me to the recorded platted public beach you reference; where in the Walton County records, for that sub-division, is that defined and recorded?

Good to hear from you!

It's in the original plat for the Blue Mountain Beach Subdivision. The property appraisers office at the Annex could probably help you find it quite easily. Good luck finding what you need.

are these developers the sames ones affiliated with mosaic who built several houses in rosemary beach without a florida contractors license?

are these developers the sames ones affiliated with mosaic who built several houses in rosemary beach without a florida contractors license?

yes, they are the same...did they get into trouble for that?

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If you're going to post something like this, please provide a link, a source, or something more substantial or it will be deleted.

Looks like its a bunch of inexperienced developers with inadequate planing. Building anything in Walton County can be a difficult process unless you have a full understanding of all the laws and requirements. I will be shocked if the county cuts them any slack. In the end, I think they are going to learn a very hard lesson about building in Walton County without proper knowledge of development planing.

Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me which lender is financing Redfish Village?

according to walton county public records regions and first tennesse bank

It's in the original plat for the Blue Mountain Beach Subdivision. The property appraisers office at the Annex could probably help you find it quite easily. Good luck finding what you need.

Thanks Brad...appreciate the help.

Looks like its a bunch of inexperienced developers with inadequate planing. Building anything in Walton County can be a difficult process unless you have a full understanding of all the laws and requirements. I will be shocked if the county cuts them any slack. In the end, I think they are going to learn a very hard lesson about building in Walton County without proper knowledge of development planing.

In the defense of the developers--they are NOT inexperienced and they and their families have been full-time residents of SoWal for at least 4+ years. They are not newcomers to the area and are experienced working through the county. They are not, as someone stated, fresh from Atlanta and trying to make a quick buck. They have been caught in a bad situation with the downturn of the market--just like every other developer and builder in the area. This is not the first project here that they have done. Before moving here, these guys also had experience in other markets.

Nobody could have planned for the downturn of this market. If only we had all listened to Shelly . . .

Fly for Fun, since you don't live or work here, you can't say that you have even a clue about what it takes to get anything done in Walton County. The fact of the matter is that Walton County is so inefficient that it literally takes years to get a project through to a development order. Turnover at the county offices is so high that you may have to work with a new county planner every 12 months. This project has probably been in the works for over 3 years and at that time the market was doing great. Obviously they would not have proceeded with the project if they could have forseen the market today. They are not stupid.

I remember when presales of this development opened up and someone on this board posted about the "great investment opportunity." Several members of SoWal.com were excited that they had a reservation. It was a good project and a good deal at the time.

I think its time for the gossip and speculation to end.

I didn't say that the two developments were trying to get private access, even though Redfish Village is trying to do so. Rather, I state that they will be using the public access at hwy 83. In addition to Redfish Village owners and guests using that public access, the new subdivision located adjacent and north of Redfish Village will also be using that public access at 83. I forget the name of that s/d, but it is the 4th of the developments which I mention heavily impacting BMB. Those developers have already illegally built a bridge across the wetlands around the northern edge of Big Redfish Lake, which was totally unnecessisary.

SJ...from your post #17:

Since I first found out about the four new developments in BMB on Big Redfish Lake, I have been against all four. The impact will be tremendous. For years, I have stated that Walton County needs more public parking for the beach accesses. On any given day in the season, the 83 access is full. Now, you are going to have two developments sending more people to that location. Parking has also been critical at Grayton Beach.

Didn't mean to imply that you said two developments were trying to get private access. The question was meant to ask just who is the second development. Were you thinking of the development adjacent and north of Redfish Village? Isn't that called Lakefront? I could be wrong about the name.

If Redfish Village developers gets permission to use the lot at 260 Blue Mountain Rd. as a private access for it's owners, guests, renters and invitees, what is to stop the Redfish Village home owners association from selling a right to use the access to the Lakefront development and/or others? The current Redfish Village developers will have sold their condos and moved on to their next project; they don't care and the neighborhood has no protection from the continued and additional abuse of 75 feet of beach as a dumping ground.

In the defense of the developers--they are NOT inexperienced and they and their families have been full-time residents of SoWal for at least 4+ years. They are not newcomers to the area and are experienced working through the county. They are not, as someone stated, fresh from Atlanta and trying to make a quick buck. They have been caught in a bad situation with the downturn of the market--just like every other developer and builder in the area. This is not the first project here that they have done. Before moving here, these guys also had experience in other markets.

Nobody could have planned for the downturn of this market. If only we had all listened to Shelly . . .

Fly for Fun, since you don't live or work here, you can't say that you have even a clue about what it takes to get anything done in Walton County. The fact of the matter is that Walton County is so inefficient that it literally takes years to get a project through to a development order. Turnover at the county offices is so high that you may have to work with a new county planner every 12 months. This project has probably been in the works for over 3 years and at that time the market was doing great. Obviously they would not have proceeded with the project if they could have forseen the market today. They are not stupid.

I remember when presales of this development opened up and someone on this board posted about the "great investment opportunity." Several members of SoWal.com were excited that they had a reservation. It was a good project and a good deal at the time.

I think its time for the gossip and speculation to end.

How do you defend attempting to sell something you don't own?

How do you defend attempting to sell something you don't own?

My comments were in response to Fly for Fun's comments insinuated that these guys are amateurs who don't have experience working in Walton County.

They did make a mistake in marketing a "private beach access" before they had approval for one. Obviously it is a sensitive issue for both sides, but I think everyone should stop acting like they're in high school and work together for a solution.

I don't have an opinion of the development one way or the other, but I don't like it when individuals are personally attacked and trashed on these boards.

SJ...from your post #17:

Since I first found out about the four new developments in BMB on Big Redfish Lake, I have been against all four. The impact will be tremendous. For years, I have stated that Walton County needs more public parking for the beach accesses. On any given day in the season, the 83 access is full. Now, you are going to have two developments sending more people to that location. Parking has also been critical at Grayton Beach.

Didn't mean to imply that you said two developments were trying to get private access. The question was meant to ask just who is the second development. Were you thinking of the development adjacent and north of Redfish Village? Isn't that called Lakefront? I could be wrong about the name.

If Redfish Village developers gets permission to use the lot at 260 Blue Mountain Rd. as a private access for it's owners, guests, renters and invitees, what is to stop the Redfish Village home owners association from selling a right to use the access to the Lakefront development and/or others? The current Redfish Village developers will have sold their condos and moved on to their next project; they don't care and the neighborhood has no protection from the continued and additional abuse of 75 feet of beach as a dumping ground.

That name Lakefront (or maybe Lakeplace) at Redfish sounds right. I hear your concern about the homeowners association for Redfish Village selling rights to use the access. However, as I understand from the attorney frepresenting Redfish Village, only Redfish Village owners and guests, will be allowed to use thprivate access, and that language would be incorporated into the deed for that private access property, and it would remain forever with the property.