Hey, what's happening in SoWal on MLK weekend? We're thinking about driving down. In our town the MLK holiday is the white folks' vacation getaway (as in anyone with an ounce of money goes snow skiing). How ironic is that? I refuse to pay to be cold, so we typically beach it on MLK weekend.
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Beach Fanatic
I think that a racist is someone who talks about Dr. King's "morals" as if his personal decisions have anything to do with his "dream" for african americans and all people of the world.
Tootsie,
That is a non sequitur and incredibly ignorant. I'd expect any Christian preacher to practice what they preach. I would have said the same thing on Bakker if the government named a holiday after him. I have a problem with a man that preaches morality, and lives far more an immoral life than his congregation. I have a problem with a man that preaches equality, then expects race based compensation (not for all minorities, mind you, just American blacks). It all boils down to consistency. As I mentioned before, his actions undermined his great and powerful speeches. The fact that you are too small minded to grasp that does not reflect on me. Until you are a little better read, I'd suggest that you keep the racist barbs to yourself.
SoWal Guide
Tootsie,
That is a non sequitur and incredibly ignorant. I'd expect any Christian preacher to practice what they preach. I would have said the same thing on Bakker if the government named a holiday after him. I have a problem with a man that preaches morality, and lives far more an immoral life than his congregation. I have a problem with a man that preaches equality, then expects race based compensation (not for all minorities, mind you, just American blacks). It all boils down to consistency. As I mentioned before, his actions undermined his great and powerful speeches. The fact that you are too small minded to grasp that does not reflect on me. Until you are a little better read, I'd suggest that you keep the racist barbs to yourself.
his personal life may not meet with your approval, but his courage to "dream" made all the difference for so many people in our country and beyond. that's all I'm saying.
SoWal Expert
Tootsie,6thGen, I don't think your statement is racist. Speaking of Christianity, I believe the word on the street is that all humans are imperfect. Don't get me started on the Catholic Church leaders. I hear you on the expectations we have of others, but in truth, the only people we can control are ourselves, and too often, we cannot even do a good job of that. Go see my thread regarding the chocolate chip cookies and you will see that I know better than to eat an entire sleeve of cookies, but my stomach over-rides my brain sometimes, so I never know what to expect from even myself. ;-)
That is a non sequitur and incredibly ignorant. I'd expect any Christian preacher to practice what they preach. I would have said the same thing on Bakker if the government named a holiday after him. I have a problem with a man that preaches morality, and lives far more an immoral life than his congregation. I have a problem with a man that preaches equality, then expects race based compensation (not for all minorities, mind you, just American blacks). It all boils down to consistency. As I mentioned before, his actions undermined his great and powerful speeches. The fact that you are too small minded to grasp that does not reflect on me. Until you are a little better read, I'd suggest that you keep the racist barbs to yourself.
Beach Fanatic
his personal life may not meet with your approval, but his courage to "dream" made all the difference for so many people in our country and beyond. that's all I'm saying.
I'll spell it out for you. His belief in practicing race based compensation (specifically government subsidies and job programs) undermines his message of equality, or judging a man by his character rather than skin color (notice he's the one that brought up character, not me). Beside that fact, any economics 101 student understands that the subsidy programs do more harm than good for the individual that the government is supposedly trying to help. Second, his personal indiscretions undermined his Christian message, not necessarily his political speeches.
SoWal Staff
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Beach Fanatic
6thGen, I don't think your statement is racist. Speaking of Christianity, I believe the word on the street is that all humans are imperfect. Don't get me started on the Catholic Church leaders. I hear you on the expectations we have of others, but in truth, the only people we can control are ourselves, and too often, we cannot even do a good job of that. Go see my thread regarding the chocolate chip cookies and you will see that I know better than to eat an entire sleeve of cookies, but my stomach over-rides my brain sometimes, so I never know what to expect from even myself. ;-)
I agree. And I believe that clergy, Protestant or Catholic, who opening and repeatedly engage in questionable actions should be dealt with accordingly.
Darlene is my middle name, not my nickname
Tootsie,
That is a non sequitur and incredibly ignorant. I'd expect any Christian preacher to practice what they preach. I would have said the same thing on Bakker if the government named a holiday after him. I have a problem with a man that preaches morality, and lives far more an immoral life than his congregation. I have a problem with a man that preaches equality, then expects race based compensation (not for all minorities, mind you, just American blacks). It all boils down to consistency. As I mentioned before, his actions undermined his great and powerful speeches. The fact that you are too small minded to grasp that does not reflect on me. Until you are a little better read, I'd suggest that you keep the racist barbs to yourself.
So obviously you do not like the man or what he stood for. You have your opinion, tootsie as well as I, have mine. Ours are different from yours. That is how things work. God forbid we all felt the same about everything.
However, you do not have to attack tootsie for her beliefs. Nor are we attacking you for yours. You can make your point without specifically calling someone "small minded". IMHO.
Beach Fanatic
So obviously you do not like the man or what he stood for. You have your opinion, tootsie as well as I, have mine. Ours are different from yours. That is how things work. God forbid we all felt the same about everything.
However, you do not have to attack tootsie for her beliefs. Nor are we attacking you for yours. You can make your point without specifically calling someone "small minded". IMHO.
But it's cool for her to call me a racist? Gotcha.
SoWal Guide
But it's cool for her to call me a racist? Gotcha.
I was talking in general about people who discount MLK's ideals and contributions to our nation based on his personal life - they do not know that they are racist, but in many cases they certainly are. in your case, I would say its an absolute. IMO.
I am not saying that Dr King's proposals were all appropriate, but they were a start. we've come a long long way because of his courage to make a difference.
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Beach Fanatic
I was talking in general about people who discount MLK's ideals and contributions to our nation based on his personal life - they do not know that they are racist, but in many cases they certainly are. in your case, I would say its an absolute. IMO.
I am not saying that Dr King's proposals were all appropriate, but they were a start. we've come a long long way because of his courage to make a difference.
I would say that as an absolute, you are poorly educated and run your mouth about things of which you have absolutely no idea. I listed one of the most respected conservative publications to back me up. You listed your feelings and opinions. If it helps, read Thomas Sowell. He agrees with me. By the way, now that Friedman passed, he's my favorite living, publishing economist. And he's black. So much for the racist thing.
SoWal Insider
From your publication link 6th generation:
"On many college campuses, MLK Day has replaced Presidents’ Day as a day off in the academic calendar, as if King were more important and more worthy of veneration than Washington and Lincoln put together"
which I find interesting since Lincoln is represented as abolishing slavery in schools, but his actual motives for such were purely economics based, or how vain Washington was when getting his portrait taken, and his use of high heeled boots.
Perhaps our college campuses which now have more minorities who received grants who had the academic abilities, but may not have been accepted , had it not been for MLK's efforts, see a person more worthy of veneration given the choice of Holidays.
Food for thought IMO.
"On many college campuses, MLK Day has replaced Presidents’ Day as a day off in the academic calendar, as if King were more important and more worthy of veneration than Washington and Lincoln put together"
which I find interesting since Lincoln is represented as abolishing slavery in schools, but his actual motives for such were purely economics based, or how vain Washington was when getting his portrait taken, and his use of high heeled boots.
Perhaps our college campuses which now have more minorities who received grants who had the academic abilities, but may not have been accepted , had it not been for MLK's efforts, see a person more worthy of veneration given the choice of Holidays.
Food for thought IMO.
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Beach Fanatic
Then take the argument on the merits. First, what are you feelings on Jim Bakker? Second, how do you feel about minorities being discriminated against when it comes to academic admission? By, the way, the minorities I'm speaking of are Asian, not black. At Berkley and Harvard, they are pushing away qualified Asian students based on the color of their skin so they can admit more black and Hispanic students.
SoWal Expert
Jim Bakker? 
How does he fit into this? Talk about apples and oranges. He contributed zilch to society. He and his wife stole and lied and cheated so many people- financial adultery that ruined many lives. Also, he is hardly held up as anybody that ever actually made a difference in anything or to anybody, other than a negative difference in bank accounts, and building Heritage USA (is that place still in existance? Google time!) Hardly a good comparison- try again.
How does he fit into this? Talk about apples and oranges. He contributed zilch to society. He and his wife stole and lied and cheated so many people- financial adultery that ruined many lives. Also, he is hardly held up as anybody that ever actually made a difference in anything or to anybody, other than a negative difference in bank accounts, and building Heritage USA (is that place still in existance? Google time!) Hardly a good comparison- try again.
FunnChef - AlisonCooks.com
I would say that as an absolute, you are poorly educated and run your mouth about things of which you have absolutely no idea. I listed one of the most respected conservative publications to back me up. You listed your feelings and opinions. If it helps, read Thomas Sowell. He agrees with me. By the way, now that Friedman passed, he's my favorite living, publishing economist. And he's black. So much for the racist thing.Being well educated in not mutally exclusive to institutional learning! It also includes knowing how to represent yourself in a civil manner when discussing a heated issue. It also includes being a genuine lover of history and knowing that facts are based on the HUMAN factor. No one in history was ever perfect but the good that they created in society is what they should be revered for, not their personal life. I am sure you can think of many cases throughout history where this is the case! MOST great thinkers, artists, scientists and theologians certianly did not possess the most savory moral character! Take off your ignorant cap!
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SoWal Guide
Being well educated in not mutally exclusive to institutional learning! It also includes knowing how to represent yourself in a civil manner when discussing a heated issue. It also includes being a genuine lover of history and knowing that facts are based on the HUMAN factor. No one in history was ever perfect but the good that they created in society is what they should be revered for, not their personal life. I am sure you can think of many cases throughout history where this is the case! MOST great thinkers, artists, scientists and theologians certianly did not possess the most savory moral character! Take off your ignorant cap!
well said allifunn:clap_1: the human factor. I'm from Bham so I have always witnessed how many whites were a little too enthusiastic about discovering King's personal side - and using this information against anything and everything he stood for.
I'm not saying that 6thgen's statement are racist. but, knowing folks who spew forth statement much like his (who consider themselves to be highly intelligent, and therefore would not think of themselves as racist in any way) my guess is that he's one of the worst. Sorry to say I've seen it many many times in this life. :roll:
SoWal Guide
I would say that as an absolute, you are poorly educated and run your mouth about things of which you have absolutely no idea. I listed one of the most respected conservative publications to back me up. You listed your feelings and opinions. If it helps, read Thomas Sowell. He agrees with me. By the way, now that Friedman passed, he's my favorite living, publishing economist. And he's black. So much for the racist thing.
are we supposed to be impressed here? :roll:
the racist part of you is pretty much a given, sorry. being well-read does not exempt you from this unfortunate state of being.
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FunnChef - AlisonCooks.com
I listed one of the most respected conservative publications to back me upThis is just MHO but as far as I am concerned
Conservatism = stale, stagnet, darkness, judgemental
Liberalism = change, growth, enlightenment, tolerance
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I think MLK is best remembered as an ideal, rather than for what he really was. The content of Mr. King’s moral character leaves much to be desired, but he did more for civil rights than anyone since Lincoln.
I won't disagree with your point because I'm not familiar with what King did behind closed doors, but your statement is small minded because you so casually discount Mohandas Gandhi, whose methods were followed by King.
A note to all - calling a fellow poster ignorant or racist is a personal attack, which is not allowed on this board. Do it again and you'll be banned. Please attack the issue, not the poster. Also I'll add, resorting to personal attacks simply reveals your inadequecies.
SoWal Guide
Meow
Thank you Kurt.
SoWal Guide
I listed one of the most respected conservative publications to back me upThis is just MHO but as far as I am concerned
Conservatism = stale, stagnet, darkness, judgemental
Liberalism = change, growth, enlightenment, tolerance
you liberal! :clap_1: I'm gonna start calling you Libby!
SoWal Insider
I listed one of the most respected conservative publications to back me upThis is just MHO but as far as I am concernedHey!! I like this A LOT!! Your qoute is going up on my fridge today! :clap_1:
Conservatism = stale, stagnet, darkness, judgemental
Liberalism = change, growth, enlightenment, tolerance
(I need a smilie pushing the printer button)
Beach Fanatic
My My My!
Maybe we would all be better off if we returned more to the old fashion golden rule!
TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED! That would solve a world of problems including racism and the way we talk to each other on the board!
Maybe we would all be better off if we returned more to the old fashion golden rule!
TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED! That would solve a world of problems including racism and the way we talk to each other on the board!
SoWal Expert
My My My!:clap_1:
Maybe we would all be better off if we returned more to the old fashion golden rule!
TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED! That would solve a world of problems including racism and the way we talk to each other on the board!
SoWal Insider
Then take the argument on the merits. First, what are you feelings on Jim Bakker? Second, how do you feel about minorities being discriminated against when it comes to academic admission? By, the way, the minorities I'm speaking of are Asian, not black. At Berkley and Harvard, they are pushing away qualified Asian students based on the color of their skin so they can admit more black and Hispanic students.
Jim Bakker?
As far as Jim Bakker, what Jdarg said above is my opinion.
As far as Asian students being pushed away who are qualified it just equates to numbers. Far more Asian students make application to prominent universities vs. Blacks and Hispanics.
Here is link to a affirmative action study done by Princeton University
The conclusion of the study is the negative impact on African American and Hispanic students if affirmative action practices were eliminated.
Would you prefer a spot went to an unqualified student whose white parent made a large contribution to the university? which BTW- happens all the time.
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