Why do people do that to their own community?!?!?! :bang: :pissed: Why do they do it at all?!?!?!? :bang: :pissed: Their very own community is devistated and they think well.... Guess I'll just go out and steal some stuff :pissed: :bang: :bang: :bang:
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...I'd shoot the tourist banker ...Except I don't know how to shoot a gun.
It's a point-and-click interface.
Have you lined up accomodations since you evac-ed? Our rental mgt. company (1-2-1 Vacations) is currently working with it's property owners, encouraging them to convert to long-term at winter rates. Do you have a place to stay?
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It's a point-and-click interface.
Have you lined up accomodations since you evac-ed? Our rental mgt. company (1-2-1 Vacations) is currently working with it's property owners, encouraging them to convert to long-term at winter rates. Do you have a place to stay?
I bought in SoWal last year, when I had a leave from work (where I had just returned last week, relishing the forthcoming routine). So, I have a furnished house with internet, phone, a/c. Don't care about what people say about a bubble. Don't care what people say about falling house values. This place has earned its value manyfold in the three days. So, I am one of the extremely fortunate ones. Too fortunate. Maybe the next hurricane will get me.
Although I am wandering around SoWal like a stunned zombie. If you look closely, you'll see lots of others.
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If I were there I'd be chillin' in a St. Charles Mansion sipping someone's 100 dollar a bottle scotch. But without music and open bars who wants to be in NO?
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Interesting use of words.
Very interesting word choices. Are you associating the word choices with skin color?
I think the white girl finding the white bread is going to have some soggy white mush for dinner. Perhaps the black lady will share some of her dry food, which is smartly protected by the Hefty looking trashbag. Or is that a TV in the bag? Just kidding.
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Very interesting word choices. Are you associating the word choices with skin color?
I think the white girl finding the white bread is going to have some soggy white mush for dinner. Perhaps the black lady will share some of her dry food, which is smartly protected by the Hefty looking trashbag. Or is that a TV in the bag? Just kidding.
You sayin' that blacks know how to loot better?
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You sayin' that blacks know how to loot better?
No, I am saying that the black lady appears to be more intelligent than the white lady.
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I would shoot them both, if I knew how to shoot. I am not a big semantics person, but Cil is right that AP apparently is.
The local prison has apparently rioted and prisoners have taken over the jail. Some have escaped.
The local prison has apparently rioted and prisoners have taken over the jail. Some have escaped.
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I would shoot them both, if I knew how to shoot. I am not a big semantics person, but Cil is right that AP apparently is.
The local prison has apparently rioted and prisoners have taken over the jail. Some have escaped.
Chill out!
With that attitude you are very likely to prejudge an honest person, who is carrying his own food, as a criminal, and when you shoot him, YOU would be the criminal. I for one am glad you are not armed.
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Chill out!
With that attitude you are very likely to prejudge an honest person, who is carrying his own food, as a criminal, and when you shoot him, YOU would be the criminal. I for one am glad you are not armed.
Well, yeah, you have a point. Wouldn't do it just for carrying it. Looting is looting is looting, though. Morally, I am purely utilitarian in my perceptions on this. Don't care if it is a mother stealing an ounce of penicillin to save her sick child (a typical moral hypothetical). Don't care if they are black or white. The survival of the city is literally at stake right now. It really is. I am perfectly willing to make sacrifices to save the greater number.
Stores have been opened by local authorities, in accordance with the law (or close to it). WalMarts & other stores in Jeff Parish has been cleaned out BY THE AUTHORITIES to provide food to shelters. That's cool with me. That's what they are supposed to do.
No jury in LA would convict me, so no crime would be committed. Technically.
Oddly, I abhor guns and violence.
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Very interesting word choices. Are you associating the word choices with skin color?Yes. It would seem that the coverage is a bit skewed.
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However, the looting pic is from the AP, while the finding one is AFP/Getty/Images, so perhaps the two different news agencies use their respective words for all ethnicities.
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This whole situation reminds me of Lord of the Flies. Even the most priviledged and well bred society can become savages under the right circumstances. How depraved we all are. It's horrifying to watch what humans will do to one another.
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I think he means it :blink:
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After reading this story of some local Noogan's that ended up in LA during the storm. I'm not so sure that the looters are just people trying to get the stables of life. Seems the looting started before they even knew things were bad.
Chattanooga Couple Survives Hurricane, Marauding Gangs In New Orleans
Make Dramatic Midnight Escape From The French Quarter
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]posted September 1, 2005[/font]
A Chattanooga couple survived several terrifying days in the French Quarter of New Orleans in the midst of a powerful hurricane and marauding gangs.
"The looters were equally as terrifying as the hurricane," said Darrin Ledford, who was safe back at his office at ImageWorks in the Saddlery Building on South Broad Street on Thursday.
He and his girlfriend, Kelly Ziegler, went to New Orleans on a bus trip, arriving last Thursday. Mr. Ledford said, "We knew there was a storm around Miami, but it was not a concern."
But he said the hurricane had taken a turn toward New Orleans by Saturday, and they prepared to leave. Then they found that their Delta flight had been canceled and no rental cars were available.
"I feel that Delta stranded thousands of people by getting out so early," he said.
Mr. Ledford said they hunkered down at the Chateau Sonesta, a four-story hotel built in the mid-1800s that had weathered numerous storms.
He said the hotel staff was great. "We owe our lives to them."
The remaining guests were placed in interior rooms on the second and third floors as the big hurricane roared toward New Orleans.
Mr. Ledford said when the storm hit "the winds were like a pressure washer. Objects that you would think could not be moved were gone in a blink of an eye. In a storm like that, we were nothing. We were totally helpless."
He said they lay hunkered down as items crashed around them.
Then they "felt a very strong sense of relief" when the repeated powerful gales finally calmed.
Mr. Ledford said afterwards they went outside to survey the damage, though they were warned not to stray far from the hotel. He said they began to see looting and men carrying guns on the streets.
They went back inside and looked down "and saw things that really frightened us."
He said the hotel had stockpiled food, "and we knew the people outside knew that. We could see them looking up at us. We were afraid they were going to come in after us."
Mr. Ledford said New Orleans residents had initially been happy that the levee had held. Then came word that it had started to breach.
He said, "We could see the water coming toward us. That is when the looting really got bad."
He said they were escorted by armed guards as they switched to a taller hotel, the plush Royal Sonesta. They were placed in a second floor balcony room.
Mr. Ledford said the hotel manager, Hans, had some connections and somehow was able to arrange for two tour buses to come to rescue the hotel guests. He said the bus had to come at night because the gangs on the streets did not want them to leave.
He said they got on the bus in the dark, and it started out along the water-filled streets. He said it was one of the first vehicles to leave the city.
Mr. Ledford said residents at one point built a barrier to block the business, but police officers drew their guns and moved the barrier out of the way.
He said they and the other guests were peering ahead watching the driver negotiate the narrow streets of the French Quarter through the high water. "We knocked over a few things in getting out," he said.
Finally, the two buses escaped the besieged city and made it to I-10. The guests were then taken to Houston along one of the few highways open.
He said after reaching there, American Airlines made special provision for the New Orleans refugees to fly first class home.
Mr. Ledford said the experience seems even more harrowing as they see reports of the death-dealing devastation dealt by the hurricane.
He said they are urging everyone to make contributions to the American Red Cross.
Mr. Ledford said, "If we were not able to somehow make it out, those contributions would be headed for us right now."
Chattanooga Couple Survives Hurricane, Marauding Gangs In New Orleans
Make Dramatic Midnight Escape From The French Quarter
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]posted September 1, 2005[/font]
A Chattanooga couple survived several terrifying days in the French Quarter of New Orleans in the midst of a powerful hurricane and marauding gangs.
"The looters were equally as terrifying as the hurricane," said Darrin Ledford, who was safe back at his office at ImageWorks in the Saddlery Building on South Broad Street on Thursday.
He and his girlfriend, Kelly Ziegler, went to New Orleans on a bus trip, arriving last Thursday. Mr. Ledford said, "We knew there was a storm around Miami, but it was not a concern."
But he said the hurricane had taken a turn toward New Orleans by Saturday, and they prepared to leave. Then they found that their Delta flight had been canceled and no rental cars were available.
"I feel that Delta stranded thousands of people by getting out so early," he said.
Mr. Ledford said they hunkered down at the Chateau Sonesta, a four-story hotel built in the mid-1800s that had weathered numerous storms.
He said the hotel staff was great. "We owe our lives to them."
The remaining guests were placed in interior rooms on the second and third floors as the big hurricane roared toward New Orleans.
Mr. Ledford said when the storm hit "the winds were like a pressure washer. Objects that you would think could not be moved were gone in a blink of an eye. In a storm like that, we were nothing. We were totally helpless."
He said they lay hunkered down as items crashed around them.
Then they "felt a very strong sense of relief" when the repeated powerful gales finally calmed.
Mr. Ledford said afterwards they went outside to survey the damage, though they were warned not to stray far from the hotel. He said they began to see looting and men carrying guns on the streets.
They went back inside and looked down "and saw things that really frightened us."
He said the hotel had stockpiled food, "and we knew the people outside knew that. We could see them looking up at us. We were afraid they were going to come in after us."
Mr. Ledford said New Orleans residents had initially been happy that the levee had held. Then came word that it had started to breach.
He said, "We could see the water coming toward us. That is when the looting really got bad."
He said they were escorted by armed guards as they switched to a taller hotel, the plush Royal Sonesta. They were placed in a second floor balcony room.
Mr. Ledford said the hotel manager, Hans, had some connections and somehow was able to arrange for two tour buses to come to rescue the hotel guests. He said the bus had to come at night because the gangs on the streets did not want them to leave.
He said they got on the bus in the dark, and it started out along the water-filled streets. He said it was one of the first vehicles to leave the city.
Mr. Ledford said residents at one point built a barrier to block the business, but police officers drew their guns and moved the barrier out of the way.
He said they and the other guests were peering ahead watching the driver negotiate the narrow streets of the French Quarter through the high water. "We knocked over a few things in getting out," he said.
Finally, the two buses escaped the besieged city and made it to I-10. The guests were then taken to Houston along one of the few highways open.
He said after reaching there, American Airlines made special provision for the New Orleans refugees to fly first class home.
Mr. Ledford said the experience seems even more harrowing as they see reports of the death-dealing devastation dealt by the hurricane.
He said they are urging everyone to make contributions to the American Red Cross.
Mr. Ledford said, "If we were not able to somehow make it out, those contributions would be headed for us right now."
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Travel2Much, I tend to believe that you could not look a poor mother or father in the eyes and shoot them for looting a gal of milk or water for there children!!!
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As a private citizen, probably not. I don't want guns near me (lucky me to live in NOLA, now). I probably would give the person my own medication. I would probably give my last drop of water. I would beg with her not to do it and do everything within the law to get what was needed. Would I give my life and home? Don't know.
If a government official, I would certainly open up every store in an effort to ensure I had adequate food to distribute. I have the power to do that. That is my responsibility as a government official. But, I darn well wouldn't throw open the doors to everyone at the beginning and say "help yourself". The whole city, gunshops, whatever, was ransacked within hours. Hospitals are under fire. People are dying everywhere. All over the city.
That was a stupid stupid stupid decision of the NOLA police.
Sorry, I have too much respect for the law to budge. It is a complete tragedy. In the classical greek sense. Sophocles could write a darn play about it.
Interesting question, though: If the problems could have been significantly lessened by shooting the mother with a sick child in the first instance, and thousands of lives could have been saved, would it be a necessary sacrifice?
I intellectualize everything.
If a government official, I would certainly open up every store in an effort to ensure I had adequate food to distribute. I have the power to do that. That is my responsibility as a government official. But, I darn well wouldn't throw open the doors to everyone at the beginning and say "help yourself". The whole city, gunshops, whatever, was ransacked within hours. Hospitals are under fire. People are dying everywhere. All over the city.
That was a stupid stupid stupid decision of the NOLA police.
Sorry, I have too much respect for the law to budge. It is a complete tragedy. In the classical greek sense. Sophocles could write a darn play about it.
Interesting question, though: If the problems could have been significantly lessened by shooting the mother with a sick child in the first instance, and thousands of lives could have been saved, would it be a necessary sacrifice?
I intellectualize everything.
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After reading this story of some local Noogan's that ended up in LA during the storm. I'm not so sure that the looters are just people trying to get the stables of life. Seems the looting started before they even knew things were bad.
Chattanooga Couple Survives Hurricane, Marauding Gangs In New Orleans
Make Dramatic Midnight Escape From The French Quarter
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]posted September 1, 2005[/font]
A Chattanooga couple survived several terrifying days in the French Quarter of New Orleans in the midst of a powerful hurricane and marauding gangs.
"The looters were equally as terrifying as the hurricane," said Darrin Ledford, who was safe back at his office at ImageWorks in the Saddlery Building on South Broad Street on Thursday.
He and his girlfriend, Kelly Ziegler, went to New Orleans on a bus trip, arriving last Thursday. Mr. Ledford said, "We knew there was a storm around Miami, but it was not a concern."
But he said the hurricane had taken a turn toward New Orleans by Saturday, and they prepared to leave. Then they found that their Delta flight had been canceled and no rental cars were available.
"I feel that Delta stranded thousands of people by getting out so early," he said.
Mr. Ledford said they hunkered down at the Chateau Sonesta, a four-story hotel built in the mid-1800s that had weathered numerous storms.
He said the hotel staff was great. "We owe our lives to them."
The remaining guests were placed in interior rooms on the second and third floors as the big hurricane roared toward New Orleans.
Mr. Ledford said when the storm hit "the winds were like a pressure washer. Objects that you would think could not be moved were gone in a blink of an eye. In a storm like that, we were nothing. We were totally helpless."
He said they lay hunkered down as items crashed around them.
Then they "felt a very strong sense of relief" when the repeated powerful gales finally calmed.
Mr. Ledford said afterwards they went outside to survey the damage, though they were warned not to stray far from the hotel. He said they began to see looting and men carrying guns on the streets.
They went back inside and looked down "and saw things that really frightened us."
He said the hotel had stockpiled food, "and we knew the people outside knew that. We could see them looking up at us. We were afraid they were going to come in after us."
Mr. Ledford said New Orleans residents had initially been happy that the levee had held. Then came word that it had started to breach.
He said, "We could see the water coming toward us. That is when the looting really got bad."
He said they were escorted by armed guards as they switched to a taller hotel, the plush Royal Sonesta. They were placed in a second floor balcony room.
Mr. Ledford said the hotel manager, Hans, had some connections and somehow was able to arrange for two tour buses to come to rescue the hotel guests. He said the bus had to come at night because the gangs on the streets did not want them to leave.
He said they got on the bus in the dark, and it started out along the water-filled streets. He said it was one of the first vehicles to leave the city.
Mr. Ledford said residents at one point built a barrier to block the business, but police officers drew their guns and moved the barrier out of the way.
He said they and the other guests were peering ahead watching the driver negotiate the narrow streets of the French Quarter through the high water. "We knocked over a few things in getting out," he said.
Finally, the two buses escaped the besieged city and made it to I-10. The guests were then taken to Houston along one of the few highways open.
He said after reaching there, American Airlines made special provision for the New Orleans refugees to fly first class home.
Mr. Ledford said the experience seems even more harrowing as they see reports of the death-dealing devastation dealt by the hurricane.
He said they are urging everyone to make contributions to the American Red Cross.
Mr. Ledford said, "If we were not able to somehow make it out, those contributions would be headed for us right now."
It is amazing that these people got out at all and flew 1st class to boot.
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The quote in the story says the people "found bread...at a store" but could they mean that they bought it if the store was open? With no other info on these tow stories, it sure looks like journalistic racism. Maybe the writer didn't tell the whole story or use all of the right wording? Were they both written by the same writer? :idontno: :idontno: :idontno:
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Most recently, I heard that all of the cars from a Cadillac dealer were stolen. I guess they thought they could get out of town on a gallon of gas and some twenny foes with spinnas.
got any pics?Author
some twenny foes with spinnas.
They get better gas mileage with spinners :cool:
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