Just leave it in
God's hands!
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Worry. Do you worry? Why worry about things you cannot control?
Just leave it in
God's hands!
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Just leave it in
God's hands!
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SoWal Insider
I understand the bellybutton comment, but why wouldn't God have an appendix?
:funn:Why not, the Geico men have them?
SoWal Expert
I thought the idea was that you only had a belly button if you were "born" w/ an umbilical cord, so Adam/Eve wouldn't have one.
Appendix is still a head scratcher. Random thing to not have, like a gall bladder!
Appendix is still a head scratcher. Random thing to not have, like a gall bladder!
SoWal Insider
Do you like the King James Norwegian Jesus or a more tinted Jesus? I believe a stylized Jesus is the same idea Uncle Timmy has put forward carried out for Northern European consumption. Man creates an idea of God, and refines it down to a very palatable, recognizable version for his own comfort. Everlasting life is the ultimate mental comfort food. It allows you deal with your less than stellar situation on earth, by focusing on your future "reward". Virgins anyone??
Beach Fanatic
Virgins anyone??[/quote]
Whqat kind of virgins?
Political?
Economic?
Spiritual?
Sexual?
Emotional?
Relational?
Sowal?
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SoWal Insider
Virgins anyone??[/quote]islamofascistvirgins!
Whqat kind of virgins?
Political?
Economic?
Spiritual?
Sexual?
Emotional?
Relational?
Sowal?
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I think we have HUGE egos to think that we can understand the vastness of God.
Spoken like a Christian. I'm glad I didn't say it!
If that is true, why would God take the form of only a human, which thus far is found to exist on only one planet? Also, why did God wait to take the human form, thousands of years after the humans walked the planet?
That's a really cool thing to think about. As a Christian, my mind tends to go this way: What if there are other beings on other planets? And what if he loves them just as much? Or--even better--what if there is a place that looks like Genesis' Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve didn't eat the apple, where the people are still walking with God in the cool of the day? It's a nice thought.
And I have lots of thoughts about why he waited thousands of years, but I'm going to ponder them in my heart for a while. (And fold my laundry.)
I will add that God would have a belly button if God were human, but then again, that wouldn't make God, God, because then God's momma would be God, unless God made God, and if that is the case, we have much bigger questions, rather than who is God. How can God make God, if God didn't exist prior to the creation of God? See how confusing the math is?
Even though you're being a complete smart@$$, this is the one big mamby-jamby question that really intrigues me. (I already told you I don't have an answer to it; only thoughts.) The one comment I'll make before I get to the aforementioned laundry is that how come this is such a fly in the ointment and the Big Bang isn't? Why doe scientists rewind to the Bang, but never ask what Banged? Einstein told us that something can't come from nothing, so we know that SOMETHING had to be there before the Bang. ALL of the arguments about the Origins of Man are really about the Develoment of Man; we still don't know where we really, really came from.
I thought the idea was that you only had a belly button if you were "born" w/ an umbilical cord, so Adam/Eve wouldn't have one.
Appendix is still a head scratcher. Random thing to not have, like a gall bladder!
Belly buttons are scars which are only borne by those who were borne. No mother, no belly button. Appendices are just a piece of intestine (like the piece right behind the belly button) which nobody really needs.
For what it's worth, I don't have an appendix, and the back half (inside) of my belly button has been removed, too. Therefore, I must be God.
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SoWal Expert
Belly buttons are scars which are only borne by those who were borne. No mother, no belly button. Appendices are just a piece of intestine (like the piece right behind the belly button) which nobody really needs.
For what it's worth, I don't have an appendix, and the back half (inside) of my belly button has been removed, too. Therefore, I must be God.
I know you can live just fine w/out an appendix, just wasn't sure how it fit into the birth/creation scenario and was worried I was missing a major theological point!
My personal theory is that God was the "big bang" and evolution is sort of different versions - like Neanderthal was Human Version 4.1. Covers most of the evolution/creation controversy it if you don't look at that theory TOO closely and assume that the Bible's time spans were more figurative than exact time frames because they began as an oral history.
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I know you can live just fine w/out an appendix, just wasn't sure how it fit into the birth/creation scenario and was worried I was missing a major theological point!
Um. Yeah. You're not missing anything. That's some sort of 6th Uncle Timmy Generation diversion crapola.
My personal theory is that God was the "big bang" and evolution is sort of different versions - like Neanderthal was Human Version 4.1. Covers most of the evolution/creation controversy it if you don't look at that theory TOO closely and assume that the Bible's time spans were more figurative than exact time frames because they began as an oral history.
Sounds logical to me...
Beach Fanatic
The one comment I'll make before I get to the aforementioned laundry is that how come this is such a fly in the ointment and the Big Bang isn't? Why doe scientists rewind to the Bang, but never ask what Banged? Einstein told us that something can't come from nothing, so we know that SOMETHING had to be there before the Bang. ALL of the arguments about the Origins of Man are really about the Develoment of Man; we still don't know where we really, really came from.
Science isn't necessarily about the why or who but the how.
And with a lot of quantum physics and creational science pointing these days to dark matter, string theory and a now believed 11 dimensions (as I understand it: 3 spatial, 1 time, 1 string, 5 superstring, and the newly "discovered" M-theory dimension making strings mathematically possible), I believe science is getting closer to the man behind the curtain, but it's the curtain that science will never be able to see behind. It's just an impossibility and a lock for which there exists no key.
I for one believe Big Bang or what have you, merely came to exist thru what we would know as a space-time rift or some indiscoverable dimensional plane. To God it's merely "his" fingertip. I'm completely fascinated by the details our collective minds discover and try to piece together. Not that I pretend to understand it in any great detail, but I enjoy the Cliff's Notes science documentaries provide. I love the details but don't get so bogged down by them that I forget the big picture, which to me is; someday science will explain most all the HOW, but without God's permission we will always always be one answer short.
Who wants all the answers anyway?? That takes the funn out of it!
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Science isn't necessarily about the why or who but the how.
And with a lot of quantum physics and creational science pointing these days to dark matter, string theory and a now believed 11 dimensions (as I understand it: 3 spatial, 1 time, 1 string, 5 superstring, and the newly "discovered" M-theory dimension making strings mathematically possible), I believe science is getting closer to the man behind the curtain, but it's the curtain that science will never be able to see behind. It's just an impossibility and a lock for which there exists no key.
I for one believe Big Bang or what have you, merely came to exist thru what we would know as a space-time rift or some indiscoverable dimensional plane. To God it's merely "his" fingertip. I'm completely fascinated by the details our collective minds discover and try to piece together. Not that I pretend to understand it in any great detail, but I enjoy the Cliff's Notes science documentaries provide. I love the details but don't get so bogged down by them that I forget the big picture, which to me is; someday science will explain most all the HOW, but without God's permission we will always always be one answer short.
Who wants all the answers anyway?? That takes the funn out of it!
This thread is like a trainwreck--I can't take my eyes off it. Yet I love reading things like this post, TNJed.
One of the things I was thinking about today (and I have to be brief--I'm off to meet with a client) was exactly along these lines. I don't think mankind will ever be able to answer SJ's question about who made God, but the reason I can't go along with Uncle Timmy's humanistic reasoning is because I, as a human being, want to know not only how, where, and when, but who and why. Theists are accused of creating gods to soothe themselves; the very fact that humans need to be soothed is miraculous in itself. That--and not the intestinal construction--is the image of God. We are rational, emotional beings. Pretty amazing.
One more thing, and I have to run:
Three engineering students are discussing what sort of god must have designed the human body. The first says, "God must be a mechanical engineer. Look at all the joints."
The second says, "I think God must be an electrical engineer. The nervous system has thousands of electrical connections."
The third said, "Actually, God is a civil engineer. Who else would run a toxic waste pipeline through a recreational area?"
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Beach Fanatic
Theists are accused of creating gods to soothe themselves; the very fact that humans need to be soothed is miraculous in itself. That--and not the intestinal construction--is the image of God. We are rational, emotional beings. Pretty amazing.
Yup
SoWal Insider
The idea of one infallible book containing the true word of God is quite a leap of ......, and a complete suspension of .......
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The idea of one infallible book containing the true word of God is quite a leap of ......, and a complete suspension of .......
No doubt about it...;-)
While the vocal minority of evangelical Christians appear to be nuttier than squirrel poop, the silent majority--including yours truly--doesn't think about things all that differently than you do. (Or maybe I'm not all that silent!
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Meow
No doubt about it...;-)
I hope I'm driving home one point: While the vocal minority of evangelical Christians appear to be nuttier than squirrel poop, the silent majority--including yours truly--doesn't think about things all that differently than you do.
Amen.
SoWal Expert
Even though you're being a complete smart@$$, this is the one big mamby-jamby question that really intrigues me. (I already told you I don't have an answer to it; only thoughts.) The one comment I'll make before I get to the aforementioned laundry is that how come this is such a fly in the ointment and the Big Bang isn't? Why doe scientists rewind to the Bang, but never ask what Banged? Einstein told us that something can't come from nothing, so we know that SOMETHING had to be there before the Bang. ALL of the arguments about the Origins of Man are really about the Develoment of Man; we still don't know where we really, really came from.
I've always questioned what banged to make the Universe, and I wasn't trying to be a smart@ss. ;-) I think it is a good question.
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I've always questioned what banged to make the Universe, and I wasn't trying to be a smart@ss. ;-) I think it is a good question.
Oh, no--I should have qualified that remark. I adore you for being a smart@$$ (I might have a little crush, in fact! ;-)) and it's a wonderful question!!!
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SoWal Expert
SoWal Expert
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
hmmmm......can't remember
I might have overstated that...
Um...how about this:
"Smart@$$" wasn't meant in a derogatory manner, and I admire your question in a purely scholarly, platonic way.
Um...how about this:
"Smart@$$" wasn't meant in a derogatory manner, and I admire your question in a purely scholarly, platonic way.
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SoWal Insider
No doubt about it...;-)
While the vocal minority of evangelical Christians appear to be nuttier than squirrel poop, the silent majority--including yours truly--doesn't think about things all that differently than you do. (Or maybe I'm not all that silent!
Agreed. NoHall you really have a nice way of putting things. My Episcopal priest said to me today that one of the reasons he loves the Episcopal church is because questions are welcomed and encouraged. This is a man who went to Oxford and has an office lined with books and is a true teacher on Sundays. He is not especially outspoken but is deeply, deeply respected. He presides over a school that teaches evolution with no reservations. It's a mix that makes me go
but in a good way. When we stop asking questions, we stop learning!I've learned a bunch from this thread, for example.
SoWal Insider
The Archdiosese does not discount the theories of evolution and realizes that science will always be making progress, and there is much we do not know yet. It's just a matter of trying to reconcile the two, religion and theories of evolution that prove to be difficult.
For example the complexity of DNA. It's an amazing thought to think such a complex engine could be totally accidental. Leaves a lot to question.
On the opposing side, this weekend I asked my husband who went to Catholic school, if he ever questioned Chapter 5 of Genesis where it claims the descendants of Adam and Eve lived to be 800 and 900 years old. He hadn't, since they apparently skipped over that part.
However, we googled some supposed answers by the church and this is what we found:
1) Adam and Eve's DNA was so perfect that their descendants lived longer.
2) The possibility of some sort of greenhouse effect.
3) God's will
Which left me to question if this was so, then why have we not found any evidence of this scientifically? We have found remains obviously of Neanderthal man, but none of those who were supposedly born 6000 yrs ago according to Genesis? Also, there was a documented society residing in Eqypt prior to Genesis, so scientific evidence was available to support the churches theory, but we see do not see any scientific evidence of any greenhouse effect through artifacts and such.
Then there's the question of reports of apparitions, demonic possessions, and other spiritual "evidence".
So many questions, none that will ever be answered in my lifetime, which makes me wonder why some who have never asked these questions, and take the Bible literally, feel the need to force scripture down the throats of those on message boards totally unrelated to religion?
For example the complexity of DNA. It's an amazing thought to think such a complex engine could be totally accidental. Leaves a lot to question.
On the opposing side, this weekend I asked my husband who went to Catholic school, if he ever questioned Chapter 5 of Genesis where it claims the descendants of Adam and Eve lived to be 800 and 900 years old. He hadn't, since they apparently skipped over that part.
However, we googled some supposed answers by the church and this is what we found:
1) Adam and Eve's DNA was so perfect that their descendants lived longer.
2) The possibility of some sort of greenhouse effect.
3) God's will
Which left me to question if this was so, then why have we not found any evidence of this scientifically? We have found remains obviously of Neanderthal man, but none of those who were supposedly born 6000 yrs ago according to Genesis? Also, there was a documented society residing in Eqypt prior to Genesis, so scientific evidence was available to support the churches theory, but we see do not see any scientific evidence of any greenhouse effect through artifacts and such.
Then there's the question of reports of apparitions, demonic possessions, and other spiritual "evidence".
So many questions, none that will ever be answered in my lifetime, which makes me wonder why some who have never asked these questions, and take the Bible literally, feel the need to force scripture down the throats of those on message boards totally unrelated to religion?
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SoWal Expert
I need a bunch of new voo doo candles. I love that they come in so many "flavors"- if anybody is goingto NOLA, I need to give you my candle list.
Skunky
I need a bunch of new voo doo candles. I love that they come in so many "flavors"- if anybody is goingto NOLA, I need to give you my candle list.
Maybe you better leave that task to the professionals;the neighborhood isn't that great.
Beach Fanatic
This is what is so amazing to me: Yes, evolution does occur, no argument. But at the same time, so much of what governs this little piece of dirt we live on does not change, like the laws of gravity, entropy, mathematics. And they work the same for all of us regardless of age, sex, religion, race, background, language. Really cool stuff.
Look at the elements, helium, hydrogen, gold, etc. They don't change. Really cool stuff.
Look at the elements, helium, hydrogen, gold, etc. They don't change. Really cool stuff.
Beach Fanatic
Never thought of it quite like that. That is 
.So if you're worrying about uncertain stuff just think of the elements. I'm thankful there are really smart peeps who know 
to do math and study science.
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