$4 a Gallon?

I agree DKA, I have been saying this all along..."HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE ARE". The price of gas will go down right after the Holidays. Then, around Spring Break, they will go right back up. Jerks.

The prices go up because of increased usage - holidays mean more travel, shopping etc.

While I'd love access to a Saudi prince's bank account and am having a hilarious mental image of the pool spilling into the cockpit during takeoff/landing, the ONLY way to lower gas prices is to USE LESS. Those one day "gas boycotts" have absolutely no effect.

Use less gas and the prices will go down. People complain about gas prices, yet I still see idling cars outside stores, and it is rare to see a car with more than one person in it. If every American decreased their gas consumption by 1% it would have a large effect on the price. For most people that means using just 1 gallon less a month!

i think 'pool' is overblown, as we all know the water would be impossible to control. the articles i've read have mentioned the possibility of a jacuzzi. a little easier to maintain.

gas prices will continue to rise, there is no escaping this fact. i've mentioned here before, i anticipate seeing large suv's sitting idle in yards, dusty, unsellable, and abandoned, in our not so far future.

I got on a rant on a similar subject on another thread (Electric Bills? maye)

anyway, the absolute real answer is to dramatically, not 1 or 2%, but 60 or 80% reduction in consumption. that means that everything that burns fossil fuel will have to change: Cars,power plants, trains, ships, industrial plants, everything. While I know that there are issues and lots of opinions on the subject, it appears that the various renewable sources are the keys: wind, solar, tides, hydro, etc. And now for the other shoe to drop: nuclear. Europe has been doing this for years and has developed techniques for building and operating these things. The safety record continues to improve. The end result is that electricity will get stable enough in cost to support hydrogen fueled cars, busses, etc, and still allow those devices that absolutely require fossil fuel to operate on it.
The real fear that we all have is how to get rid of the waste. We need to suspend playing around in space and divert our attention to this issue. When this is done and the middle east can't sell crude for $98/barrel, then we can get back to our space fantasies. This is too critical of an issue to ignore. for the past 50 years or so we have had our head in the sand (Not looking for oil, ignoring the issue). The fossil fuel reserves are finite. I would like to think that the world will last long enough to need another source of energy. (Not true, I hope the rapture happens today!!!)

This country's leaders had better get up off their collective campaign contribution butts and lead this country to energy independance. Then maybe, just maybe, the rest of this globe will follow along.

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I got on a rant on a similar subject on another thread (Electric Bills? maye)

anyway, the absolute real answer is to dramatically, not 1 or 2%, but 60 or 80% reduction in consumption. that means that everything that burns fossil fuel will have to change: Cars,power plants, trains, ships, industrial plants, everything. While I know that there are issues and lots of opinions on the subject, it appears that the various renewable sources are the keys: wind, solar, tides, hydro, etc. And now for the other shoe to drop: nuclear. Europe has been doing this for years and has developed techniques for building and operating these things. The safety record continues to improve. The end result is that electricity will get stable enough in cost to support hydrogen fueled cars, busses, etc, and still allow those devices that absolutely require fossil fuel to operate on it.
The real fear that we all have is how to get rid of the waste. We need to suspend playing around in space and divert our attention to this issue. When this is done and the middle east can't sell crude for $98/barrel, then we can get back to our space fantasies. This is too critical of an issue to ignore. for the past 50 years or so we have had our head in the sand (Not looking for oil, ignoring the issue). The fossil fuel reserves are finite. I would like to think that the world will last long enough to need another source of energy. (Not true, I hope the rapture happens today!!!)

This country's leaders had better get up off their collective campaign contribution butts and lead this country to energy independance. Then maybe, just maybe, the rest of this globe will follow along.

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Uh..Yikes!

The prices go up because of increased usage - holidays mean more travel, shopping etc.

While I'd love access to a Saudi prince's bank account and am having a hilarious mental image of the pool spilling into the cockpit during takeoff/landing, the ONLY way to lower gas prices is to USE LESS. Those one day "gas boycotts" have absolutely no effect.

Use less gas and the prices will go down. People complain about gas prices, yet I still see idling cars outside stores, and it is rare to see a car with more than one person in it. If every American decreased their gas consumption by 1% it would have a large effect on the price. For most people that means using just 1 gallon less a month!

Why is it the prices go up before the actual holiday travel starts? Has anyone started traveling for Thanksgiving yet? This seems more like a preemtive strike by the oil companies when they know people are less likely to be swayed by high prices at the pumps. I saw a pie chart the other day that shows where all the money in the cost of a gallon of gas goes. About 1/3 of it was listed as profit. That's profit NOT gross income, but net income. I would believe that with the economy on the verge of a depression not a recession the government would be well warranted and welcomed to step in and possibly scale some of that back.

I would believe that with the economy on the verge of a depression not a recession the government would be well warranted and welcomed to step in and possibly scale some of that back.

You really think Texas T HalliBush is going to take on big oil for the lil' people?

I think the prices jump before the holidays because the price of crude fluctuates on estimated useage.

I'm not saying they aren't making $$$, just that using less overall means it will cost less overall.

Usually it is Congress that holds hearings to investigate any issue. Obviously big oil money comes in red and blue.

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) - In the annals of excess, it could be a new high: a more than $300 million dollar, super-sized luxury airplane, bought and outfitted solely for the private comfort of a Saudi Arabian billionaire.
Once done, the Airbus A380, the world's biggest passenger plane, will be a "flying palace" for Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the manufacturer announced Monday.
Airbus SAS would not give a specific price tag for the VIP double- decker jet, with its football field-length wings, saying only that it would cost more than the aircraft's list price of $320 million.

"Prince Alwaleed is the first, and so far the only customer of this aircraft," said David Velupillai, the spokesman of the Airbus, which announced the luxury order at the Dubai International Airshow.

It's all just spending cash for bin Talal?Citigroup Inc.'s biggest individual shareholder and the world's 13th richest person with assets around $20 billion. As a member of the Saudi royal family he benefits from the country's vast oil wealth. But much of bin Talal's huge fortune comes from his investment firm, the $25-billion Kingdom Holding Co., which has stakes in Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., Fairmont Raffles Hotels International Inc., Time Warner Inc., Apple Inc., PepsiCo Inc., Walt Disney Co. to name a few major corporations.

So, how much of all this sheet are we willing to put up with?

We have the technology, the people, everything we need to get rid of this huge monkey on our backs. Georgy Porgy can't do by himself, even if he wanted to (Probably wouldn't).

The demand for oil is increasing world wide with a big chunk of it going to China. We worry about global warming, and it is good that we do, but at the rate we are going, there won't be enough cash in the USA to feed ourselves, much less buy oil.

Gotta' cut this oil buring out! NOW!!!

The prices go up because of increased usage - holidays mean more travel, shopping etc.

... the ONLY way to lower gas prices is to USE LESS. Those one day "gas boycotts" have absolutely no effect.

Use less gas and the prices will go down. People complain about gas prices, yet I still see idling cars outside stores, and it is rare to see a car with more than one person in it. If every American decreased their gas consumption by 1% it would have a large effect on the price. For most people that means using just 1 gallon less a month!

Since June, I have lowered my personal consumption of petroleum
distillates by more than 50%


It can be done

While on vacation in Oregon a few weeks ago, I rented a Toyota Hybrid. I was really impressed. (Except for the back window-poor design-distorts image in rearview mirror).

Anywho, I got home and looked at getting Hybrid Saturn Vue. I was disappointed that my PT Cruiser gets better Gas Milage. So I'm back to combining trips/errands, second thinking my routes/ and canceling my road trip to 19 hour round trip to Miami next week.

About the Prince of Planes....For what he is paying for one plane, he could feed entire third world countries for a lifetime. Shame on him.

And is the Airbus really necessary? Bigger is not always better.
The bigger they are the harder they fall. Seems like a prime target to me.



dka

Caught part of a VERY interesting History Channel show last night all about alternative energy sources.

Basically, we have the technology right now where we can transition from Fossil fuels supplemented w/ Renewable to Renewable supplemented w/ Fossil fuels. We just have to be willing to make those choices and demand a change!

For example, there are European countries where 20% of their power comes from wind. We use wind for less than 1%.