Hillary Wins Florida!

"In the Bible it says they asked Jesus how many times you should forgive, and he said 70 times 7. Well, I want you all to know that I'm keeping a chart."~Hillary Rodham Clinton

Thanks Secrestkristi for posting such positive, sincere photos of Hillary Clinton in victory--those pics are a big change from all the passive/aggressive, photoshopped spew that has characterized this Politico room...keep the faith girl!

Last night's non-victory victory rally in Florida underscored everything that's awful and ridiculous about the Clinton-Clinton '08 style. They pledged not to campaign in Florida, yet they campaigned there anyway. The primary was unofficial and no delegates were counted, yet they celebrated with a televised victory rally anyway -- ostensibly to trick some casual viewers and supporters into thinking it was a meaningful win.

Imagine, if you will, the Patriots showing up at U of P Stadium tonight and declaring victory even though they've agreed -- "pledged" if you will -- to play against the Giants on Sunday. It's an easy way to declare victory, albeit equally as cheap, dishonest and artificial.

And to observe Senator Clinton's pledge to seat the Florida delegates while, at that very moment, violating a previous pledge, was to observe a Clintonian paradox in its pristine, natural habitat....

From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/its-time-for-progressive_b_84167.html
It's now about a competition between a new and inspirational paradigm -- a watershed movement inside the Democratic Party, not to mention a total redrawing the electoral map and an advancing of Howard Dean's 50-state strategy -- versus the shifty, triangulating DLC crap-on-a-stick approach to politics that has, more often than not, made us embarrassed to be Democrats.

And we should be equally as embarrassed by the Clinton approach so far. From the relatively insignificant over-use of poll-speak like "we are sending a clear message" simply because polls indicate that voters like candidates who are "sending a clear message"; to the besmirching of a presidential legacy by shamelessly race-baiting in South Carolina; to that bizarre scene in Florida last night, the Clinton-Clinton de facto ticket has become, dare I say, Lieberman-ish in that it represents a style of doing business that, in any other race, we'd be shredding without mercy or regard to party affiliation.

We know that both of the Democratic candidates have an equally strong chance of winning in November. We know that there's plenty of overlap on the issues. We know that Senator Clinton can recite policy positions just as brilliantly as Senator Obama can induce chills in even the most cynical political junkies. And we know that both candidates will make history. So if it's more or less a tie in those columns, why should we willingly choose to support the Democrat who's cribbing political strategy from Karl Rove's whiteboard?

As such, it's absolutely astonishing that the Democratic race is as close as it is. If a Republican said something like "Jesse Jackson won here twice" or pledged to grab delegates that don't exist we'd be choking on our own tongues as we convulsed and gasped in shock-horror. There's no excuse for forgiving the Rovian games or the DLC calculation. Just because they're The Clintons doesn't make it forgivable. Up until the last two months, I've been an unwavering supporter of President Clinton. He's arguably the second or third greatest president of the 20th Century next to FDR and JFK and he's presently the Most Popular Living Ex-President In The World, but these past couple of months have been seriously painful.

So how has Senator Clinton lasted as long as she has given her campaign's fun & games? Well, for starters, it doesn't hurt that the Most Popular Living Ex-President In The World is serving as her de facto running mate -- using his position as the Most Popular Living Ex-President In The World to publicly rip Senator Obama every day during New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. (Speaking of which, it's worth noting that in New Hampshire Senator Obama came within three percentage points of both Senator Clinton and the Most Popular Living Ex-President In The World. Any other year, that would've been considered a huge win for Obama.)

It also hasn't hurt Senator Clinton's chances that, somewhere along the line, it became de rigueur among some of the top-shelf progressive bloggers to remain neutral.

I understand exactly why they did, but now that it's a two person race, there's no reason why the progressive blogosphere shouldn't get down to endorsing a candidate. And while the endorsements could easily be for either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton, they ought to be, by-in-large, endorsements that are consistent with the blogosphere's past activism against Democrats like Joe Lieberman, party machines like the DLC, and political stunts that reek of the current Bush Republican regime....

Last night's non-victory victory rally in Florida underscored everything that's awful and ridiculous about the Clinton-Clinton '08 style. They pledged not to campaign in Florida, yet they campaigned there anyway. The primary was unofficial and no delegates were counted, yet they celebrated with a televised victory rally anyway -- ostensibly to trick some casual viewers and supporters into thinking it was a meaningful win.

If Obama wants to think that Florida is irrelevant, that is his option. Seems like Rudy took a similar tactic recently and you see where he is. While I am no fan of Hillary, she did win Florida, and she did try to listen to the 4 million voters that she will be needing in the not to distant future. Hard to have sour grapes when someone makes a brilliant play, which she did. Politics is like a chess match, it is all about position, position now, and position several moves into the future. Obama is sadly, out of his league.

If Obama wants to think that Florida is irrelevant, that is his option. Seems like Rudy took a similar tactic recently and you see where he is. While I am no fan of Hillary, she did win Florida, and she did try to listen to the 4 million voters that she will be needing in the not to distant future. Hard to have sour grapes when someone makes a brilliant play, which she did. Politics is like a chess match, it is all about position, position now, and position several moves into the future. Obama is sadly, out of his league.

Thanks for the 'Hill' props. I wish I could've articulated that as well as you did, WaltonGOP!

I am really surprised that Hillary won as the 'little old lady vote' is scarce and unpredictable in Florida:roll:

I am really surprised that Hillary won as the 'little old lady vote' is scarce and unpredictable in Florida:roll:

Win, didn't win. I'll tell you this, Hillary will try her hardest to get those Florida delegates seated, so that Florida's win, will count. Let's not forget that she will likely get the superdelegate votes from Florida. I was really expecting Obama to blow her out of the water, but she is good when it comes to the shyster biz of poliTRICKS and should not be underestimated.

Did she hold her speech at a BINGO hall?

It's okay to cry, Darren. We are crying too, thinking that Billary could win.

I would hope she would be an excellent player!

I see class in back in session. No drop outs, here!

My caption:"That big ass chunk of money that is taken out of Skunkape's check every two weeks that he will never see when he is our age? Oh Heavens, screw him, ha, ha, ha!"

I see class in back in session. No drop outs, here!

I hope you're not disappointed, Miss Kitty.

If Obama wants to think that Florida is irrelevant, that is his option. Seems like Rudy took a similar tactic recently and you see where he is. While I am no fan of Hillary, she did win Florida, and she did try to listen to the 4 million voters that she will be needing in the not to distant future. Hard to have sour grapes when someone makes a brilliant play, which she did. Politics is like a chess match, it is all about position, position now, and position several moves into the future. Obama is sadly, out of his league.

Nice talking point, but utterly wrong. Obama is only out of his league if you respect this sort of political game and deception. WGOP, you know that Obama has never said Florida voters were irrelevant. You know that his only statement has been that he gave his word, just as Hillary gave her word, that he would not campaign in Florida. He kept his word, she lied and embraced her name recognition based win in a shameless attempt to put Obama's decisive win in South Carolina out of the minds of Super Tuesday voters.

Florida resembled no other primary held so far where there was actually a campaign. There was no high turnout. There was no surge in voting among young people. There were no crossover independents and republicans. In short, it was the same core voter that has turned out in every election and still gave Bush the presidency. Which, I know, is good for the GOP. It's also a shrewd move to for you to keep pointing out to the casual voter that the Democrats and Obama don't care about them. Or think they are irrelevant, as your talking point goes. You read the papers enough to know that Obama and Clinton would have benefitted the most from making a contest of Florida, because they were the only ones with the money to campaign here. The DNC, under the auspices of Howard Dean, asked the candidates to pledge not to campaign here and stripped the delegates. It was a dumb move, but it was not Obama's decision. He simply kept his word once it was given.

I think it's pretty significant that he got over half a million votes in Florida, despite never having campaigned here. I think it's significant that he had a bigger margin of victory in South Carolina, in a contested state, than she had here. Campaigning makes a difference, that's why money is so important in politics today. That is why Rudy Guiliani didn't win Florida.

So go ahead, seacrestkristi, Hnooe2000, WaltonGOP, and the rest of your lot -- go ahead and make a big deal of something you know has little meaning. Go ahead and champion the person who has no respect for their own word nor the American voter. Continue with your triangulating and your chess match. I'll be over here waiting for the day when we all decide we want to elect people who are leaders, not calculating and manipulative politicians. Championing HRC and what she did in Florida says more about your integrity and cynicism than any slam I could ever come up with....

I hope you're not disappointed, Miss Kitty.

IJS

What are you just sayin'? You're so happy I'm still here. Thanks gull, I you too!

Nice talking point, but utterly wrong. Obama is only out of his league if you respect this sort of political game and deception

This is exactly the way I read WaltonGOP's comment.

They're happy too!

"In the Bible it says they asked Jesus how many times you should forgive, and he said 70 times 7. Well, I want you all to know that I'm keeping a chart."~Hillary Rodham Clinton

So does this mean that we should forgive Hillary for all of her political sins? She's keeping track of how many of us forgive her? I don't get it.

"WGOP, you know that Obama has never said Florida voters were irrelevant. You know that his only statement has been that he gave his word, just as Hillary gave her word, that he would not campaign in Florida."

Regardless of which words came out of his mouth, do you not think that he said thus, in his actions, by agreeing to not campaign in Florida? I think that both he and Hillary said that we don't care about Florida, we are just trying to win a campaign. I can see their reasoning, but I wish someone had the balls to stand up to the DNC. If they did so, it would disrupt the status quo, and would likely not win, but we would have identified a real leader in the process. Maybe 2008 IS too early for Obama, but what about 2012?

They're happy too!

What is the logo on the girl in the middle's shirt? Is that a angry hillary/crying hillary?

Looks like, "For Real Hill" to me.

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And look how happy they looked....after a real victory, at a real victory party in a Convention Hall, not a wedding reception venue, in front of 3000 supporters and volunteers from all over the country. With another couple of thousand people outside. With a 28 point margin of victory.

I admire your passion. It reminds me of me. When will you be starting your own Obama Issues thread like I tried to do for my candidate and was well ya know.....old news. I am interested in why you put him here on my Hillary thread again. :roll: Oh well...I am trying to be nice but do believe in my freedom of speech with a passion as well. It is very sad to me that neither you nor Obama seem to be able to congratulate Hillary in a respectful manner, as one human being to another. FTLOG, this is only the primaries, it's supposed to be funn and bond us as citizens. Why can't you just say congratulations? Why couldn't Obama? They are 2 for 2 like Hillary said they have a long way to go!
Best of luck with your candidate, okay? Isn't it kinda fuNNe that we both share the same name? Sistas!