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NoHall avatar
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...or am I just turning into my mother?

A girl in one of my classes told me an awful story tonight: She lives on a little street only a couple of miles from me. She was home last Friday afternoon at 5:00 (broad daylight!), and her husband (a firefighter) was asleep in the bedroom. She heard a car in the driveway, and looked out and saw a light blue van right next to the house. She said it used to be a church van--she could still see the Methodist emblem on it. There were 4 people in it--a white man and woman in the front and two hispanic men in the back. The driver was loading and cocking a semi-automatic weapon. She ran back through the house yelling for her husband. Her husband thought she was nuts, so he went to the window to see for himself. He saw the gun, too, and grabbed her and pulled her to the back of the house. They tried to set off their security alarm, but it didn't work so they called 911. Apparently the people in the van heard them running around and yelling--they suddenly drove off.

The sheriff's department pulled the van over the next day, but didn't have enough evidence to arrest them. They didn't find any weapons when they pulled them over, but the van was full of cleaning supplies and vacuum parts. The driver claimed they were selling them door-to-door off the main road. The deputy told my friend that they have arrested others who have used the "cleaning supply" front to case houses and later burglarize them. The owner/driver of the van has a criminal history.

Until the last year or so, I didn't even check to see if my door was locked before I went to bed. My parents live right next door, and my dad can see my door from his recliner. (He will sometimes call to tell me that the floodlight is on--it's on a motion sensor.) After I found out that my neighbors are on meth, I started paying more attention. Now that this whole Gary Hilton thing has gone down, I'm even more nervous. When I go to warm up my car in the mornings, I will lock myself in it just to drive it out of the garage.

I don't like being scared...it's not like me!

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JUL avatar
Beach Fanatic
#2
I wonder why their security alarm didn't work.
Your story is very frightful....You are lucky your family lives so close...maybe start a neighborhood watch program...these used to be popular but you don't hear of them very often any longer.
Stay safe.
Alicia Leonard avatar
SoWal Insider
#3
...or am I just turning into my mother?

A girl in one of my classes told me an awful story tonight: She lives on a little street only a couple of miles from me. She was home last Friday afternoon at 5:00 (broad daylight!), and her husband (a firefighter) was asleep in the bedroom. She heard a car in the driveway, and looked out and saw a light blue van right next to the house. She said it used to be a church van--she could still see the Methodist emblem on it. There were 4 people in it--a white man and woman in the front and two hispanic men in the back. The driver was loading and cocking a semi-automatic weapon. She ran back through the house yelling for her husband. Her husband thought she was nuts, so he went to the window to see for himself. He saw the gun, too, and grabbed her and pulled her to the back of the house. They tried to set off their security alarm, but it didn't work so they called 911. Apparently the people in the van heard them running around and yelling--they suddenly drove off.

The sheriff's department pulled the van over the next day, but didn't have enough evidence to arrest them. They didn't find any weapons when they pulled them over, but the van was full of cleaning supplies and vacuum parts. The driver claimed they were selling them door-to-door off the main road. The deputy told my friend that they have arrested others who have used the "cleaning supply" front to case houses and later burglarize them. The owner/driver of the van has a criminal history.

Until the last year or so, I didn't even check to see if my door was locked before I went to bed. My parents live right next door, and my dad can see my door from his recliner. (He will sometimes call to tell me that the floodlight is on--it's on a motion sensor.) After I found out that my neighbors are on meth, I started paying more attention. Now that this whole Gary Hilton thing has gone down, I'm even more nervous. When I go to warm up my car in the mornings, I will lock myself in it just to drive it out of the garage.

I don't like being scared...it's not like me!


Hi NoHall,

I've been thinking about the same stuff. I don't know if it's the economy or what but if you research through the NWF Daily news site you will see where there has been around 8 or 9 home invasions in the area around Ft. Walton and Destin, in the last couple of months. Enough, that I have been warning friends over in the Niceville area and beyond for awhile now to not open their doors for people they don't know. Bee safe:wave:
seaside2 avatar
Beach Fanatic
#4
Lots of scams for getting into people's houses: cleaning gutters, a recorded baby crying on your doorstep, you name it, crooks do it.

It is a scary world out there, especially for women alone (house wives, realtors, sales people, etc) that are vulnerable.

Note to self: Check alarm system tonight.
AugustInTransit avatar
Beach Lover
#5
My mom had a similar story except it happened to our neighbor. Jean's husband was at work and her kids were in school this one day, leaving her home all alone. She heard this strange noise upstairs and it turns out someone had crawled onto the addition underneath the master bedroom and started cutting the screen to the window. She could see him standing on the roof of the addition from a reflection in the microwave. So she immediately called her husband then the cops. We're pretty sure who ever it was had staked out her house. Of all the houses on our street, they're the only family that doesn't own some sort of larger dog. My parents have a black lab, so we figured the guy saw him wandering around the yard at all times of the day. It's just scary because my mom works nights at a hospital and she was sleeping that day. Of all the houses on our block, my mom and Jean are probably the only ones home during the day. It's just sad to think that took place where my parents felt safe enough to let their kids wander unchecked around the neighborhood.

Since I live alone and know there are ways that people can get into my house despite the deadbolt and chain on my front door, I have my old colour guard rifle next to my bed. It's a piece of wood, but if anyone ever tries to attack me, they're getting whichever end I don't grab in the face.
Beach Fanatic
#6
Crime is increasing most everywhere; what I see here in the Midwest (metropolitan crimes more-so) is violent crime; with younger assialants...OVER silly silly things.....

Lock your doors; DO NOT allow young children to answer the door;

remember your 2nd Amendment Rights folks......

A dog is one of the best alarms on the market as well;-) One that can toss out a loud bark:wave:

Remember nothing good happens after midnight...!!!!!
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Beach Lover
#7
Jimmy Macon, who is running for sheriff, (by the way, I was extremely impressed with him) held a safety training at my daughter's school. He said that many of the construction workers that are working in our area have extensive criminal records and are dangerous. He also said that the violent MS13 gang is moving into Okaloosa and Walton counties. I believe he said they were originally from El Salvador but are now heavily recruiting Mexican immigrants. He said to be aware of who and what is going on around you.
You can look people up on this website and see if they have a criminal record and what for. It shows their mugshot and gives a list of why they are incarcerated, released, or on supervision. It is a free service provided by the State of Florida. I found that a couple of people we had doing some construction for us were on the site. They had served time for theft from a construction site. We got rid of them!
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/AppCommon/
A dog is a good thing to have. Criminals are more likely to enter a house where the owners are known to have guns than a house with a large dog. If you are ever in the market for a trained protection dog check out http://discoverk9.com/workingdogs.html . We purchased a protection dog from them and she is wonderful. She gets along well with our other dogs and is wonderful with our preschool aged daughter. She is great around people (that we know) and with children. I was in Utah when Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped and I always wondered if things would have been different if they had owned a dog.

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DD avatar
SoWal Expert
#8
Crime is increasing most everywhere; what I see here in the Midwest (metropolitan crimes more-so) is violent crime; with younger assialants...OVER silly silly things.....

Lock your doors; DO NOT allow young children to answer the door;

remember your 2nd Amendment Rights folks......

A dog is one of the best alarms on the market as well;-) One that can toss out a loud bark:wave:

Remember nothing good happens after midnight...!!!!!
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One of mr. dd's favorite sayings.
Beach Fanatic
#9
Phoenix; Good info.. The Mara Salvatrucha seem to be declining in some areas; and migrating to others... They are indeed a sickening group of coward criminal...

Although the problem is very real; don't forget there are many "want-to-be-(s) in all regions... Good story HeRe ; also; a great link to educate you and your family www.knowgangs.com ..

The worrisome part to me is the 4th generation gangs; (gangs-merging with -> terrorists, militias, cartels, clans, tribes, pirates, criminal enterprises) and non-governmental organizations. . . . . .

DD, Thanks.... I am a firm believer in that.... :blush:
Beach Lover
#10
Thanks. I agree wholeheartedly about becoming educated. I am a former inner-city school teacher. My students were hardcore gang members who couldn't make it in a regular classroom. All of them were on probation and parole, some for murder. Kind of like the movie, Dangerous Minds. I had them all day, everyday...breaks in the classroom, lunch in the classroom. Sometimes for years on end. I must say I loved it! (Yes, I gave it all up to move here. :lol:) I had to educate myself on gangs to survive and be successful.
I have watched communities go from wanna-be gang affiliation to full-fledged gang infestation in a matter of years. I believe that if people were more informed there could be more done to make sure that gangs never gained a foothold. I notice that there is a sense of well being and safety in SoWal and I would like to preserve it. I don't believe in fear mongering. In my opinion fear breeds more fear and your world becomes what you think about all day long.
Alicia Leonard avatar
SoWal Insider
#11
Thanks. I agree wholeheartedly about becoming educated. I am a former inner-city school teacher. My students were hardcore gang members who couldn't make it in a regular classroom. All of them were on probation and parole, some for murder. Kind of like the movie, Dangerous Minds. I had them all day, everyday...breaks in the classroom, lunch in the classroom. Sometimes for years on end. I must say I loved it! (Yes, I gave it all up to move here. :lol:) I had to educate myself on gangs to survive and be successful.
I have watched communities go from wanna-be gang affiliation to full-fledged gang infestation in a matter of years. I believe that if people were more informed there could be more done to make sure that gangs never gained a foothold. I notice that there is a sense of well being and safety in SoWal and I would like to preserve it. I don't believe in fear mongering. In my opinion fear breeds more fear and your world becomes what you think about all day long.


Well put.:clap:
NoHall avatar
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#12
Thanks. I agree wholeheartedly about becoming educated. I am a former inner-city school teacher. My students were hardcore gang members who couldn't make it in a regular classroom. All of them were on probation and parole, some for murder. Kind of like the movie, Dangerous Minds. I had them all day, everyday...breaks in the classroom, lunch in the classroom. Sometimes for years on end. I must say I loved it! (Yes, I gave it all up to move here. :lol:) I had to educate myself on gangs to survive and be successful.
I have watched communities go from wanna-be gang affiliation to full-fledged gang infestation in a matter of years. I believe that if people were more informed there could be more done to make sure that gangs never gained a foothold. I notice that there is a sense of well being and safety in SoWal and I would like to preserve it. I don't believe in fear mongering. In my opinion fear breeds more fear and your world becomes what you think about all day long.

I live in a sleepy little suburban town in the foothills of the mountains, though...similar to the community feeling in SoWal...

We're not talking about urban violence here, we're talking about soccer moms and family neighborhoods.
Minnie avatar
Beach Fanatic
#13
Scarier, depends on what scares you. More violent definitely. More drugs, more people, more mobile society, brings crime to everyone, even in sleepy peaceful villages.

No one is immune, and ignorance is not bliss when it comes to crime, education is power.

Plus due to the media you hear about everything, everywhere now. That was not the case when I was growing up. If it did not happen in my town, we did not know about it.
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#14
I don't think the world is getting scarier, I think we hear more about every bad thing because the media doesn't have enough content to fill their time slots. Do think that drugs and the current economic state are definitely causing more crime in places that didn't previously have it though.

Basic precautions and keeping an eye on your neighbors goes a long way in ensuring your safety. I don't fear for my safety or worry about robbery, but I still always lock my doors & car and make an effort to keep myself out of potentially dangerous situations.

I was taught that criminals are lazy, so the harder you make it for them, the better off you'll be! Doors should be locked, items that are valuable should be kept out of sight, and you should be aware of your surroundings.

Living in a place where you get a phone call if your car is spotted in your driveway when you're supposed to be at work, or if a strange car was there helps too! At my last house our neighbor across the street was so protective of us girls that we joked that he'd know if we got laid before we did! :biggrin:
kathydwells avatar
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#15
I don't think the world is getting scarier, I think we hear more about every bad thing because the media doesn't have enough content to fill their time slots. Do think that drugs and the current economic state are definitely causing more crime in places that didn't previously have it though.

Basic precautions and keeping an eye on your neighbors goes a long way in ensuring your safety. I don't fear for my safety or worry about robbery, but I still always lock my doors & car and make an effort to keep myself out of potentially dangerous situations.

I was taught that criminals are lazy, so the harder you make it for them, the better off you'll be! Doors should be locked, items that are valuable should be kept out of sight, and you should be aware of your surroundings.

Living in a place where you get a phone call if your car is spotted in your driveway when you're supposed to be at work, or if a strange car was there helps too! At my last house our neighbor across the street was so protective of us girls that we joked that he'd know if we got laid before we did! :biggrin:

:funn:OMG. I live in a community like that as well. Many times I have been called during the day at work by my neighbor who has spotted a car in my drive that should not normally be there. Luckily, the car was supposed to be there. It is comforting knowing that people do look out for one another.
Beach Fanatic
#16
Move over; I'M MOVIN IN!!!!!!!!!!:wave:

The geographical area dictates crime along with economics even more so; I agree w/you Scoot... That is precisely why I am eager to relocate to paradise one day....

As far as criminals being lazy; Yes, they take the easy way out;

desperate
+
uneducated
+
unemployed

= higher crime rate .....PERIOD.....

"A good plan violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week. A pint of sweat saves a gallon of blood"

Be prepared; have a strategic plan; know your neighbors; never take the same route; if you are going to be gone for a day or two, TELL your Neighborhood "buddy" ( embarrassing enough, I have the keys to more than 4 of my neighbors' house...) :rolling:

in other words; like Scoot said; take precautions!!!!! We have a neighborhood safety meeting in the nice weather every other month and the outcome is ALWAYS GRAYTE!!!! IMHO I think folks want to feel safe and are willing to go out of their way to do so......:wave:

Defeating the criminal isn't impossible; it just takes discipline and planning.....:blush:


I don't think the world is getting scarier, I think we hear more about every bad thing because the media doesn't have enough content to fill their time slots. Do think that drugs and the current economic state are definitely causing more crime in places that didn't previously have it though.

Basic precautions and keeping an eye on your neighbors goes a long way in ensuring your safety. I don't fear for my safety or worry about robbery, but I still always lock my doors & car and make an effort to keep myself out of potentially dangerous situations.

I was taught that criminals are lazy, so the harder you make it for them, the better off you'll be! Doors should be locked, items that are valuable should be kept out of sight, and you should be aware of your surroundings.

Living in a place where you get a phone call if your car is spotted in your driveway when you're supposed to be at work, or if a strange car was there helps too! At my last house our neighbor across the street was so protective of us girls that we joked that he'd know if we got laid before we did! :biggrin:

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SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#17
Don't be scared...get proactive and take a self defense course--as an added precaution keep the kids' little league bat in the corner behind the door (an old "inner city" trick);-)


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Beach Fanatic
#18
:lolabove:

Don't be scared...get proactive and take a self defense course--as an added precaution keep the kids' little league bat in the corner behind the door (an old "inner city" trick);-)


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NoHall avatar
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#19
I'm afraid to keep any kind of weapon in my room--If someone invades my home while I'm asleep, he/she is automatically more alert than I am and would probably have no trouble disarming me. I don't relish the though of being killed with my own gun/knife/bat/whatever...

I completely agree with the advice given about being careful, etc. I just grieve the loss of a kinder, simpler world. Like Biff, I either have keys or some other access to a dozen homes in my area, and could name another dozen that I know are never locked. I have one friend whose parents live in town. The door is never locked because there were 6 kids in the family, and none of them could keep up with house keys when they were kids. My friend said that her parents don't have keys to the house anymore. But everyone in that neighborhood knows the family's cars and habits. If anyone invaded that home, they would have half the neighborhood stopping in to say hello, thinking there was a party.

I have no valuables, and I don't want to lock my door...but this is the world we live in, so my doors are locked and my windows are double-locked...:(
SoWal Insider
#20
Nohall! How can you sleep at night not knowing if your doors or locked or not! :yikes:
Are you out of your mind??


:wave:
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#21
I'm afraid to keep any kind of weapon in my room--If someone invades my home while I'm asleep, he/she is automatically more alert than I am and would probably have no trouble disarming me. I don't relish the though of being killed with my own gun/knife/bat/whatever...
(

You're freaking yourself out over this--are you planning on throwing out all your kitchen knives, fireplace pokers or monkey wrenches? I guess I can sound a bit more cavalier since I'm originally a product of the "inner city" and have a fair degree of street smarts. Unfortunately, we don't live in Mayberry RFD anymore.

First, you need to calm yourself down; and by all means, lock up your doors and windows at night. You may find that taking a self defense course might give you a bit more peace of mind and give you your sense of control back.

Time to suck it up and move forward.

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NoHall avatar
hmmmm......can't rememberAuthor
#22
Nohall! How can you sleep at night not knowing if your doors or locked or not! :yikes:
Are you out of your mind??


:wave:

I'm narcoleptic--I can sleep through just about anything! (But my doors stay locked all the time, now.)

You're freaking yourself out over this--are you planning on throwing out all your kitchen knives, fireplace pokers or monkey wrenches? I guess I can sound a bit more cavalier since I'm originally a product of the "inner city" and have a fair degree of street smarts. Unfortunately, we don't live in Mayberry RFD anymore.

First, you need to calm yourself down; and by all means, lock up your doors and windows at night. You may find that taking a self defense course might give you a bit more peace of mind and give you your sense of control back.

Time to suck it up and move forward.

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No, no, no...not freaking out at all. That's just my point. I've lived in such a safe world that I haven't had to think about this much at all until the last couple of years.

As for throwing out all my stuff, I rarely cook so I only have one sharp knife. No fireplace, so forget the poker, and I have never once needed a monkey wrench....

Don't panic about me panicking, because I'm not.
sunspotbaby avatar
SoWal Insider
#23
NoHall, I read this thread yesterday and was thinking about my childhood 30 years ago. My husband & I actually had a lengthy conversation about this because we now have 2 baby girls and as parents you always are concerned for their safety.
When we were young, we played not in a fenced yard, but on miles of land! We had no phones, were definitely out of shout range from Mom and sometimes we would be gone all day, running in the always unlocked house just before the sun went down.
Today, I think about all the sex offenders that live among us, gang members, bad neighborhoods, homeless people living in the woods... etc. Was it different then when I grew up? No, it wasn't any different. Those people and situations were always there. However, now through the internet we have instant access to news in every corner of the world every second of the day. Back then, the news was on for 30 minutes on 3 stations. We didn't know about every violent crime, kidnapping, home invasion, burglary etc. In essence, I don't think the outside world has changed much, but our exposure to it ....has. Technology has, in effect, made the world much smaller for the human race.
dmarie avatar
Beach Lover
#24
Yesterday, my Daughter sent me the following email which she received from a friend. I thought it was bogus until I read about it in the Daily News this morning:


First of all, Jonathan and I (Simona) would like for all of you to forward this to anybody that lives in the Okaloosa, Santa Rosa or Walton County area. The horrifying story below happened to Jonathan and I two weekends ago.

We were unloading some stuff out of our truck and into the garage and letting Gabrielle (our 4 year old daughter) play around the truck with her first soccer ball. We live on a corner lot of a nice neighborhood and felt comfortable letting her play in the front yard while we kept an eye on her. From the time we started, we heard an ice-cream truck playing "All Around the Mulberry Bush" in the distance and it sounded like it was on the other side of the neighborhood. About an hour later we heard this very loud music (gangster rap) stop at our stop sign for an extended amount of time (maybe 10 - 15 seconds). At that point, Jonathan stuck his head out of the garage to access the situation and to see why the car hadn't driven off. What Jonathan saw was an African American male, average build with dread locks. The car was an older two door model almost identical to a 1980 Chevy Malibu. The paint job was fairly new and a deep maroon and the car had shiny 20" chrome rims. The man was staring at Gabrielle as she played in our front yard about 20 feet away from us. At that point, the man reached over to his stereo and flipped the music from gangster rap to ice-cream truck music, "All Around the Mulberry Bush"!! The guy in the car did not realize we were standing right there and could see him eyeing our daughter because he was so focused on her. My husband walked within 10 feet of Gabrielle and the guy didn't even notice him. When he finally noticed Jonathan, he hit the gas and sped off. Things happened so fast and we were so focused on protecting our daughter that we were unable to get a plate number. We called the Okaloosa County Sheriff's office and had an officer come out but could not file a report because of the "lack of evidence". We live half way between the Wright Elementary School and Pryor Middle school area, off of Mayflower. We just wanted all of you Parents, Grandparents, Aunts and Uncles to know that this guy is out there and to warn the children because, even after he drove off, Gabrielle thought he was the ice-cream truck man based on the song he was playing. There is no doubt in our minds that if this man had just a little more time, the next time we would have seen Gabrielle would have been on a Missing Poster. We are more then lucky, we are truly blessed. We urge you to relay this story to children, family and friends because it could save lives...possibly those of your very own little ones.
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#25
I'm afraid to keep any kind of weapon in my room--If someone invades my home while I'm asleep, he/she is automatically more alert than I am and would probably have no trouble disarming me. I don't relish the though of being killed with my own gun/knife/bat/whatever...

Unless you are truly concerned about a home invasion, there is no need to have a weapon in your bedroom. I think you should have a phone in case of emergency, but a weapon seems excessive.

Shelley's self defense class is a great suggestion. I think all women should take one. :wave:
Sea Sothebys avatar
Beach Lover
#26
I just wanted to extol the virtues of two large dogs.

We believe that if anyone heard our dogs, they would be too scared to even try and break in...

I moved from a big city 11, almost 12 years ago. I have lost my citified ways, and will admit to leaving the door unlocked myself. I will be more cautious. Thanks for the reminder.

Think about getting a dog (for all the right reasons).

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