Guns to work bill--Good idea?

The NRA is, for the third time pushing a bill in the Florida Legislature that would allow employees to bring guns to work locked inside of their car. The bill directly pits private property rights against gun rights. In the past this bill had been submitted by local State Senator Durrel Peaden, Peaden was also the Senator that submitted and got passed the expansion of the 'castle doctrine' in Florida to include any place that you have a legal right to be.

You mean we can't now?? Ooopppsee

Only kidding

Peaden was my Doc at one time, long ago.


I'm more worried about the insane people with guns than the sane ones.

But that does bring up the question if someone steals your car or breaks into it and gets your gun. Hmmmmmmm:shock:

I don't think we need any more bills making it easier to carry guns. It is easy enough already.

Here's to the Florida Legislature for tackling those "important" issues. Money is tight enough in Florida, do we really need a disgruntled waiter with a loaded 9mm in his car when you under tip? I'm sure this will only help tourism. :roll:

I feel that if it is your gun and your car then you should be able to carry it.

Here's to the Florida Legislature for tackling those "important" issues. Money is tight enough in Florida, do we really need a disgruntled waiter with a loaded 9mm in his car when you under tip? I'm sure this will only help tourism. :roll:

the worse I have ever done was throw the .26 cents tip they left me......

And next they will let U.S. Postal employess carry them inside of their U.S mail trucks. That means they won't have to go home first when they get fired from their job or pissed off at someone!

... The bill directly pits private property rights against gun rights....

I'm not sure I understand -- private property rights being what? the employer's property or the auto, being the property of the gun owner?

Personally, I don't like to wait for the cops to protect me or my loved ones, or a complete stranger for that matter. I like the idea of being able to defend myself, including the ability to carry a concealed weapon. HOWEVER, I have some major issues with everyone's ability to train with firearms. The training I am referring to is much more involved than just knowing how to properly fire a weapon. I think people carrying concealed weapons need to take advanced courses dealing with many factors including how not to over-react, how to use firearm as last resort, how to recognize true threats from perceived threats, when to use deadly force, etc. As noted, in Florida, one can "justly" kill another for something as simple as a trespass. If everyone was packing heat, I'm sure that people would be less likely to commit violent crimes, but we'd probably get many otherwise would-be innocent people wounded or killed in the process, and I think we would be more fearing as a society, when we don't have to be. I have no problem beating someone with a Peachtree switch, and making them think twice about their decision to go postal. :funn:

I'm not sure I understand -- private property rights being what? the employer's property or the auto, being the property of the gun owner?

Last time the Florida Chamber was against the bill because it would not allow business owners to ban firearms from their private property. Evidently, in some of the employee parking lots they specifically ban weapons from vehicles. I am not sure how you would get caught violating this law, but if you do get caught you are fired or reprimanded.

Not even beginning to discuss the different sides, it really is and has been an interesting debate. The Florida Chamber and the NRA are some of the biggest supporters of the Republican controlled legislature. First time I can remember them being at opposite sides of a bill. So far, the Chamber has been able to win. But Marion Hammer never gives up. This may be the year she wears them down.

I see both sides of this issue. While certainly wanting to be able to keep a gun in my vehicle for protection, if I so choose, I also understand a business owner not wanting someone getting mad and stepping out to the car to cool down.

And next they will let U.S. Postal employess carry them inside of their U.S mail trucks. That means they won't have to go home first when they get fired from their job or pissed off at someone!

I think there has been an amendment filed to the bill excluding postal workers due to their history of "goin postal"

This is a pucking stupid idea!

You do not need a gun at work.

You do not need a gun in your car.

If for some reason you do need to carry a gun for your job, you would be issued one or able to get a permit to circumvent this.

People who think that having a gun keeps them safe or that they would be calm and accurate enough during a situation for a gun to do them any good are living in one crazy fantasy world!

People who think that having a gun keeps them safe or that they would be calm and accurate enough during a situation for a gun to do them any good are living in one crazy fantasy world!

For the most part I would have to agree. But people are convinced that they could handle the situation, ala Ahnold if something were to happen. The problem is that people carry guns but they do not put in the amount of practice that is needed to be able to responde accurately to a situation. If people are going to carry guns, they should have to do like law enforcement and show proficiency on a regular basis.

What am I legally entitled to do as far as carrying a handgun in FL? I let my permit to carry concealed expire that I had in GA.

Even law enforcement personnel have much lower accuracy than we would like to believe - so Vigilante Bob isn't going to do much better! ;-)

The minimal overlap between the people I feel have the maturity, common sense, and training to carry guys and the people who actually do is scary!

When we had a store, both my father and my brother brought their guns to work. Never had to actually use them, but I distinctly remember my brother casually strolling up to the front more than once with the shotgun in hand. There is no way in heck they would have carried the cash drawers back and forth from home to the store without them. It was wild, wild SoWal back then.

I'm not certain I want everyone being able to bear arms these days, though. If I have the legal right to carry one without training or at least getting a concealed weapon permit, so do the criminally insane.

I'm not sure I understand -- private property rights being what? the employer's property or the auto, being the property of the gun owner?

Personally, I don't like to wait for the cops to protect me or my loved ones, or a complete stranger for that matter. I like the idea of being able to defend myself, including the ability to carry a concealed weapon. HOWEVER, I have some major issues with everyone's ability to train with firearms. The training I am referring to is much more involved than just knowing how to properly fire a weapon. I think people carrying concealed weapons need to take advanced courses dealing with many factors including how not to over-react, how to use firearm as last resort, how to recognize true threats from perceived threats, when to use deadly force, etc. As noted, in Florida, one can "justly" kill another for something as simple as a trespass. If everyone was packing heat, I'm sure that people would be less likely to commit violent crimes, but we'd probably get many otherwise would-be innocent people wounded or killed in the process, and I think we would be more fearing as a society, when we don't have to be. I have no problem beating someone with a Peachtree switch, and making them think twice about their decision to go postal. :funn:

What I want is a course offered to the public that would teach us, i.e. the general public, how to tell the wacko carrying the concealed weapon from the gun nut carrying the concealed weapon. I personally have never been able to tell the difference until I see the wacko and the victims on the evening news.

Personally I prefer the two hundred plus years of Supreme Court rulings on the matter over the NRA's opinion, but that would be a debate for a different thread.

Last time the Florida Chamber was against the bill because it would not allow business owners to ban firearms from their private property. Evidently, in some of the employee parking lots they specifically ban weapons from vehicles. I am not sure how you would get caught violating this law, but if you do get caught you are fired or reprimanded.

Not even beginning to discuss the different sides, it really is and has been an interesting debate. The Florida Chamber and the NRA are some of the biggest supporters of the Republican controlled legislature. First time I can remember them being at opposite sides of a bill. So far, the Chamber has been able to win. But Marion Hammer never gives up. This may be the year she wears them down.

I see both sides of this issue. While certainly wanting to be able to keep a gun in my vehicle for protection, if I so choose, I also understand a business owner not wanting someone getting mad and stepping out to the car to cool down.

I see. I guess the way you get caught is after you either shot the employees or customers, or you shot the criminal. I recall a story from a year or so ago, where a quicky-mart employee, against the company policy, successfully defended the store and himself by shooting an armed burglar. He was fired by the quicky-mart for violating store policy. I can understand the store owner's reason to limit liability by their policy, but damn, give me a break.

I grew up with a bunch of people who all took their shotgun or rifles to school so that they could go directly to the fields for hunting, when school adjourned. Never once at school, was there a gun "incident." The school even had a cotton field adjacent to the practice fields, and often, people would hunt doves, while we were practicing football. Of course there are always fruck-ups who take it to the extreme, and I've been witness to one or two who pulled their revolver on other people, threatening to blow their brains out, but I guess they weren't drunk enough to do it -- just trying to act larger than life. Today is slightly different with some of the anti-depressant drugs which really mess some people up, terribly bad, leading to mass murder, and often suicide. That opens an entirely new can of worms. I've seen it on TV and first hand, and had another reminder just two weeks ago from a former school mate who is no longer walking the Earth.

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If for some reason you do need to carry a gun for your job, you would be issued one or able to get a permit to circumvent this.
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Getting a concealed carry permit doesn't over-ride and employer's policy of not allowing weapons. In addition, concealed carry peeps are somewhat limited in where they are allowed to carry.

If your employer doesn't allow guns, obviously your job doesn't require guns! (And they probably have the aforementioned policy because it's a problem/safety concern).

My point was that those in a profession that truly require firepower already have it legally - this proposal isn't for them, it's for the trigger happy wack-a-doo that the NRA loves to champion. :angry:

I hear you. I was misreading your statement.

Hurlbert Field used to have an NRA weekend course on gun safety and legal issues about carrying gun/guns. Probably still have them. I went with my 12 year son (at the time) who was getting into hunting and it was educational as well as funn. After the course, you (adults) were entitled to apply for a concealed weapons permit.

I am a member of NRA and I am glad I learned about guns with my son. We have a healthy respect for them and know how to use them when/if needed. Practice helps too. Being female, on the road a lot and sometimes home alone, I like knowing I can protect myself and my home, confidently, if needed. That said, loaded guns and kids don't mix. Guns should be locked up and unloaded.

My father quit the NRA because it got too political. :roll:

I grew up in a home/world where guns were present, but kept locked up when not in active use, and safety and responsibility were the main concern. An ex-marine taught us to shoot paper targets and trap at age 10 and you had to complete the Hunter's Safety Course before you could get a permit for deer hunting. Home invasion/security was a matter of locks, large dogs, and nosy neighbors, not firearms. Guns were for targets and animals that tasted good!

I am a member of NRA and I am glad I learned about guns with my son. We have a healthy respect for them and know how to use them when/if needed. Practice helps too. Being female, on the road a lot and sometimes home alone, I like knowing I can protect myself and my home, confidently, if needed. That said, loaded guns and kids don't mix. Guns should be locked up and unloaded.

It's a catch 22. If you don't want your kids shooting you, themselves, or their friends, you are correct about guns being locked up and unloaded. However, for self protection, an empty and locked gun serves no purpose, unless you want to throw the gun safe at the criminal. I grew up with plenty of loaded guns in the house, and was taught to fire most any kind of gun from a very young age. Never once was I tempted to pick up a gun without permission, unless I, or my family were physically threatened. However, I shot most every gun in our house that wasn't a collector's item. I took hunter safety courses, but they seemed like common sense after getting good training from my dad. I even learned how to disassemble and reassemble, as well as clean, most guns in our house. I had great respect for the power of a gun, just like I have a great respect for the power of the Gulf. The problem didn't lie with me and our plenitude of loaded firearms around the house. The problem lied with my friends who might be visiting, and had no clue about guns, other than what they saw on tv. I had to teach my friends that my dad would use his belt on them if they touched a gun in our house. -- my grandma may have used a Peach Tree switch, but my dad used a belt. :shock:

It's a catch 22. If you don't want your kids shooting you, themselves, or their friends, you are correct about guns being locked up and unloaded. However, for self protection, an empty and locked gun serves no purpose, unless you want to throw the gun safe at the criminal. I grew up with plenty of loaded guns in the house, and was taught to fire most any kind of gun from a very young age. Never once was I tempted to pick up a gun without permission, unless I, or my family were physically threatened. However, I shot most every gun in our house that wasn't a collector's item. I took hunter safety courses, but they seemed like common sense after getting good training from my dad. I even learned how to disassemble and reassemble, as well as clean, most guns in our house. I had great respect for the power of a gun, just like I have a great respect for the power of the Gulf. The problem didn't lie with me and our plenitude of loaded firearms around the house. The problem lied with my friends who might be visiting, and had no clue about guns, other than what they saw on tv. I had to teach my friends that my dad would use his belt on them if they touched a gun in our house. -- my grandma may have used a Peach Tree switch, but my dad used a belt. :shock:

I agree......My kids know about guns and respect them, yet their friends may be over and I don't want to take any chances. My gun is loaded and out of the safe at night. Due to different laws in different states, my gun is in a locked safe in the car...the 3 step rule.....unlock, load, switch the safety. Sucks, I know....but I know it's there if I have a chance to get to it. Also travel with 2 dogs (one big one)...I think I can get the gun loaded and ready if I needed. Never needed it, but I did have an occassion when I didn't have a gun and needed one. That man is still in prison.

Does Florida consider a car an extension of your domicile? Louisiana does, thus it is legal to carry a firearm in your car without any need for special licensure. To my knowledge there is no epidemic of roadway or workplace shootings.