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because it doesn't have a place on the political forum.

Ditto for me too, Andy A! I just tried to rep you and will as soon as I am able. Looks like I already gave too many good reps to a couple others on this thread. Thanks for speaking out for the truth cp, cck, Andy A, and anyone else I may have left out who has been brave enough to speak up with some truth and real life issues. Punzy asked me not to stay long, maybe that's why I'm still here. I used to sort of like Obama but between the preacher and the hate I've received from his supporters on this board I really have a hard time even listening to the man. :blink: :wub:

Enough is enough. You are lying. I have never been hateful to you, and in fact quite the opposite is true. You attacked me, and accused me of doing something I did not do and then demanded an apology all over the board rather than give the apology I so obviously deserved. You have not intelligently discussed one point of policy, and have only smeared me, hatched a conspiracy theory about Obama supporters, and played the victim all over this board.

Geowickey and others have tried to redirect you, to ask you to comment on how you think Hillary can win the nomination and ultimately the Presidency. Heck, I tried really hard to engage you on a discussion of health policy since you are a nurse. Every response is, lalalalala...Hillary rocks! She's a winner in my book.[:clap::wub::wave::wub::clap::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:/I]

So, no, SCK, I don't have much respect for you at this point. You have tried to paint me as some sinister cultist attacking you rather than your opinions, and that is just not the case. But because I don't respect you that does not mean I don't respect other Clinton supporters who support her based on issues.

This all started because I came home from a long day of campaigning door to door in the South Carolina rain, and kept seeing some literature stuck on women voters' doors. This literature had been used in New Hampshire similarly the day before the election there, and it had been widely reported that the information in the pamphlet was inaccurate. The Clinton campaign had pretended not to know it was a lie the first time, but the second time around there is no way to pretend that it was anything other than what it was -- a politically convenient lie dropped too late for a response from the Obama campaign. I said she was disgusting. I hope you realize that came from a place deep in my heart that was broken. I had campaigned for Bill, I believed in Bill and defended Bill. I was so disillusioned by the dirty politics that it physically hurt me. Before that day, I preferred Obama but would have voted for Hillary. To see how wrong, how blindly devoted I'd been made me tremendously sad, and angry, and I was tired. I think people read my comments in that context on that thread. I was disgusted, and had good reason to be. The other night "War Room" was on tv, and watching it made me cry. I remembered cheering "Four More Months" at the rallies, and the happiness and hope and elation we all felt. I loved the Clintons, but they are divisive. They are willing to do anything to win, even if it means tearing the party apart, and I hate that I can't believe in them anymore and that I feel used for supporting them in the first place. I lost something that day, and I used strong words to express that loss.

Your attacks on me have colored perceptions of me on this board, and I'm learning when one is swift-boated, ignoring them does not seem to work on a message board.

I, like you, wish Kurt would reopen your thread so people can see for themselves what's what....

http://www.sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=350865&postcount=355

I honestly don't care how long you post here or how often. I'd just appreciated it if you would stop making references to me and being hateful and twisting my words. :wave:

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Beach Fanatic
#2
Does anyone really want to hear a response to this? In the lounge? :blush:
30A Skunkape avatar
Skunky
#3
Does anyone really want to hear a response to this? In the lounge? :blush:

YES!!!:popcorn:
Sheila avatar
SoWal Insider
#4
Does anyone really want to hear a response to this? In the lounge? :blush:

Is there a reason you wouldn't want to respond? I for one would like to read a well thought out response from you. :popcorn:
ASH avatar
Beach Fanatic
#5
Personal attacks should not be acceptable. Some day you may need to do business with each other.
Discussing specific positions for a candidate is what should be happening. Hopefully both of you will put aside the finger-pointing and dig out your favorite candidates positions and discuss like big kids. Just my opinion. Neither of you is improving your reputation from the discussions I have read. :scratch:
30A Skunkape avatar
Skunky
#6
Personal attacks should not be acceptable. Some day you may need to do business with each other.
Discussing specific positions for a candidate is what should be happening. Hopefully both of you will put aside the finger-pointing and dig out your favorite candidates positions and discuss like big kids. Just my opinion. Neither of you is improving your reputation from the discussions I have read. :scratch:

I notice you have been active here for at most one month;all attempts at a rational discussion were exhausted. Search the political forum for the Universal Health Care thread...read it and report back with an opinion as to what happened. Welcome aboard, by the way!:wave:
ASH avatar
Beach Fanatic
#7
Will do. Stay tuned.
NoHall avatar
hmmmm......can't remember
#8
As MANY people have pointed out, the Hillary threads have little content regarding political positions. They are mostly a string of personal attacks :moon: on people who attempt say anything less than, "OMG! :clap: I LOVE Hillary! She should be Queen of the Whole Universe! :wub: :biggrin:"

So the response belongs in the lounge. (Unless Daddy-O wants to build a padded room. That's where it really belongs.)
Rita avatar
margarita brocolia
#9
Punzy ... For anyone who has been on the board long enough to know about the "quote" glitch (I still see it happen from time to time) and who knew sk's passion for Hillary there was simply NO questions!

You deserved an apology!

Your post here is on target. I think this part of your post is extremely important for sk to comprehend:
"So, no, SCK, I don't have much respect for you at this point. You have tried to paint me as some sinister cultist attacking you rather than your opinions, and that is just not the case. But because I don't respect you that does not mean I don't respect other Clinton supporters who support her based on issues."

And I'll include that I would also look forward to a response - in the lounge.

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Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal Expert
#10
Ash, I know you are fairly new to the board, but Punzy has intelligently voiced her opinions of her candidate based on the issues. I give everyone a little H3LL for wanting any politician to be our leader, but I give an A+ to Punzy for knowing her candidate's position on the issues, and posting them on the board. I cannot say the same for seacrestkristi, who only likes her candidate because she is a woman and her daughter respects her, her husband "sometimes" supports her, and she has tried yet repeatedly failed to push forward a socialist healthcare plan. Run a search on Obama and I think you will be occupied with much reading from Punzy, discussing policies.
tistheseason avatar
Beach Fanatic
#11
Rapunzel - While I have long been impressed with your self constraint that you have shown, I am glad you are finally speaking out! SeacrestKristi has repetatively used your name -- and recently Skuny's too -- and accused you of one thing after another. Even as she attempts to "make nice" she brings someone's name into it and makes accusations.

Seacrestkristi - I urge you to try to a few posts that don't include anyone's names. Or any mooning smiles, either. You might be surprised at the different reaction you will receive from people.
Beach Lover
#12
such passion.
Teresa avatar
SoWal Guide
#13
rapunzel. proud of you for having your say. but also afraid that it cannot result in any change in SCK or in others who support her kind of behavior. you should know that most on this board are highly intelligent people who know you, trust you and know the score. you need not defend anything. remember the rule about trolls?

on the other hand, I applaud you. its past time for people to tell SCK that her behavior is not acceptable on this board. I am tired of the sweet, enthusiastic, victim, poor me, passive nastiness and outright poor manners exhibited in her every post.

fortunately for us we can choose who we interact on this board just as in real life. I do enjoy and cherish all the different views, personalities, etc.on this board. but sometimes you must make a hard choice to not associate. I have chosen.

you mean a lot to me and I don't like seeing you allow people to pull you into their misery. I have learned it does not work. but I understand. a wench has gotta do what a wench has gotta do. I'm behind you all the way.

you are a courageous friend.

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Beach Fanatic
#14
CraPola~ I thought I ran far, far away from this...​

BUT, H3LL YE-A$$

Lets hear it
:popcorn:​




Does anyone really want to hear a response to this? In the lounge? :blush:
ASH avatar
Beach Fanatic
#15
OK Skunkape, I went over much of the other posts. Whew!!!!! :wacko:Who knew?
Sounds like some passionate positions. I would rather see someone comment on their favorite candidate for some reason - any reason. I recall back 20 some odd years ago, having arguments with my Father-In-Law about his own political affiliation. He didn't have a clue what he was voting for. This was the party he was on and that was that. And he would be just mean about it. I couldn't discuss any of the particular positions that I felt strongly about. This was how his party felt and therefore that was how he felt whether he agreed or not. It was sad.
We are all welcome to read whatever thread we wish to. I will go on record to state that if this one goes ugly, you just won't find me lurking around here. Life is just too short to get that worked up. If I want to get stressed, I'll jump in my car and go drive around Destin a bit. :floor:
CPort avatar
Beach Fanatic
#16
Ok, I really want to know from someone what is Obama's healthcare plan?
Teresa avatar
SoWal Guide
#17
Ok, I really want to know from someone what is Obama's healthcare plan?

hey cp - if you really want to know I advise you take this one to the political forum. good question.
CPort avatar
Beach Fanatic
#18
hey cp - if you really want to know I advise you take this one to the political forum. good question.
yes, I really want to know, I just found the thread started in Dec. on universal healthcare that I missed while away. thanks
ASH avatar
Beach Fanatic
#19
I typed in Barackobama.com and it has an area that covers their position on all major issues. Be warned, it is nearly as long as the past thread on health care for reading.
This country has enough major issues that I feel quite sorry for whoever has to take over the whitehouse. There is not enough money anywhere to fix all the problems we'd all like to see fixed. I don't think it's going to matter what the new president starts working on first, it is going to infuriate whoever thinks their problems are more important. :confused:
CPort avatar
Beach Fanatic
#20
hey Ash , what is that in your tar? It looks like an eel but then I don't have my glasses on.:wave:
ASH avatar
Beach Fanatic
#21
It is a 41" Northern Pike from Lake of the Woods MN. The little guy is my oldest grandson. :wub:He was telling me about how big the fish was. LOL!
CPort avatar
Beach Fanatic
#22
so cute!!
Beach Fanatic
#23
because it doesn't have a place on the political forum.



Enough is enough. You are lying. I have never been hateful to you, and in fact quite the opposite is true. You attacked me, and accused me of doing something I did not do and then demanded an apology all over the board rather than give the apology I so obviously deserved. You have not intelligently discussed one point of policy, and have only smeared me, hatched a conspiracy theory about Obama supporters, and played the victim all over this board.

Geowickey and others have tried to redirect you, to ask you to comment on how you think Hillary can win the nomination and ultimately the Presidency. Heck, I tried really hard to engage you on a discussion of health policy since you are a nurse. Every response is, lalalalala...Hillary rocks! She's a winner in my book.[:clap::wub::wave::wub::clap::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:/I]

So, no, SCK, I don't have much respect for you at this point. You have tried to paint me as some sinister cultist attacking you rather than your opinions, and that is just not the case. But because I don't respect you that does not mean I don't respect other Clinton supporters who support her based on issues.

This all started because I came home from a long day of campaigning door to door in the South Carolina rain, and kept seeing some literature stuck on women voters' doors. This literature had been used in New Hampshire similarly the day before the election there, and it had been widely reported that the information in the pamphlet was inaccurate. The Clinton campaign had pretended not to know it was a lie the first time, but the second time around there is no way to pretend that it was anything other than what it was -- a politically convenient lie dropped too late for a response from the Obama campaign. I said she was disgusting. I hope you realize that came from a place deep in my heart that was broken. I had campaigned for Bill, I believed in Bill and defended Bill. I was so disillusioned by the dirty politics that it physically hurt me. Before that day, I preferred Obama but would have voted for Hillary. To see how wrong, how blindly devoted I'd been made me tremendously sad, and angry, and I was tired. I think people read my comments in that context on that thread. I was disgusted, and had good reason to be. The other night "War Room" was on tv, and watching it made me cry. I remembered cheering "Four More Months" at the rallies, and the happiness and hope and elation we all felt. I loved the Clintons, but they are divisive. They are willing to do anything to win, even if it means tearing the party apart, and I hate that I can't believe in them anymore and that I feel used for supporting them in the first place. I lost something that day, and I used strong words to express that loss.

Your attacks on me have colored perceptions of me on this board, and I'm learning when one is swift-boated, ignoring them does not seem to work on a message board.

I, like you, wish Kurt would reopen your thread so people can see for themselves what's what....

http://www.sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=350865&postcount=355

I honestly don't care how long you post here or how often. I'd just appreciated it if you would stop making references to me and being hateful and twisting my words. :wave:

Sorry I'm about to double dip. First, I would like to remind you of the fact that I am a person before a nurse. That is only my occupation. Secondly, I tried to be nice on the universal health care thread. You said take away nurses and add more administrative assistants, who are secretaries not even trained in patient care) for patient care. Then you implied the nurse who was taking care of your office's patient caused her breast flap to fail. It sounds like she shouldn't have been on the general floor but ICU. That's not the nurses fault. No wonder your docs redid the surgery for free. There is a nursing shortage continuously in this country. What is the reason?
I have also searched for the box of cornflakes you posted in response to something I said with Hillary's photo on it but could not find it. I am tired of fighting with you and your real-life friends. Can anyone show me another 'glitch' anywhere? You know, I really don't believe you did that on purpose. I don't know how it happened? Whatever. I am sick of it. I will reach out my hand out again to you and I am now trying to again even though you have now called me a liar who you've lost all respect for. Here is my hand. Will you take it in peace and friendship and let me move forward already? :bang:Pleeease, gull? Pretty please? :wub: I am also posting next just a couple of instances I could find.

Also, your friend tistheseason, who said something about my anniversary being ruined was my own fault. Where do you get off woman? I never said my anniversary was ruined! Royal B, which I kept calling Triple B;-), was really special. You madam, have a nerve. My anniversary rocked! :biggrin: Despite all the silliness from sowal. I don't have to log on. That is the key.

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Beach Fanatic
#24
http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=11363&highlight=Hillary+President+2008

You know, I'm sorry, Punzy. When I go back and research, the only thing you did was call my candidate a 'disgusting' cheater and then I was repeatedly quoted as the one who was saying it by your buddies adding their comments. It was your husband that called her a sexual predator enabler, I guess. Then all the other well, nasty stuff. It just was :yikes:. I tried to make up in my 'Hillary Wins Florida' thread. http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=19747&highlight=Hillary+Wins+Florida Just an excerpt of your kind words then, Rapunzel~"So go ahead, seacrestkristi, Hnooe2000, WaltonGOP, and the rest of your lot -- go ahead and make a big deal of something you know has little meaning. Go ahead and champion the person who has no respect for their own word nor the American voter. Continue with your triangulating and your chess match. I'll be over here waiting for the day when we all decide we want to elect people who are leaders, not calculating and manipulative politicians. Championing HRC and what she did in Florida says more about your integrity and cynicism than any slam I could ever come up with...."

I even reached out and asked if we could be 'kristi sistas' and your husband answered back in a negatory fashion. When I jokingly asked if I could come to your first 'Iowa caucus party' one of your nice friends readily chimed in asked if they could be the bouncer. :( It must be hard when they are also your real-life friends. At least it can't be said that I didn't try. SJ, you are so full of yourself. You always know just what to say. I believe 'repulsive' is the word you used for my candidate. Sorry, I have tried to represent something good. :wub: Toots I just read somewhere on here where you called yourself proudly 'loudmouth and obnoxious' and then a friend chimed in saying that's why they loved you so much. I don't know you in person but why do you feel the right to judge me so harshly? I cannot tell you how many folks have come on to tell me how glad they are that I was back and that I have given a few people strength and the courage to speak up. Thanks peeps.

Gosh, when I go back and read though, SJ and skunky had a lot nastier and unfounded things to throw in about Hillary. I was willing to take it though because that's what I get for starting a political thread. I happen to believe the hate for her is because she is a woman who would like to be president, regardless of the fact that she has the educational and political background and I feel is more qualifed than any other candidate but I realize that is only my opinion and will listen to whatever you say. I have told you I admired your devotion. That stands. :cool: I feel your pain.
Beach Fanatic
#25
Sorry, I'm really breakin' all the rules now and triple dipping! It's Good Friday, wouldn't it be a wonderful to just make up and be friends? :wub:
OMG, was that a random thought or what?!
Carol G avatar
Beach Fanatic
#26
Punzy, I'm really impressed by this post; I tried to give you rep for it, but it's not letting me for some reason - so I'll just go on record saying "you rock!" Your posts are always thoughtful and reasoned, sometimes passionate and obviously fueled by strong emotions, but never hateful. I've lurked in the political forum for a long time and have read all the pertinent posts, and here's the kicker (can't believe I'm typing this out loud here) I'm a long-time supporter of Hillary.

The reason I hesitate to publicly admit that here is because I'm not interested in debate, I hate to argue politics, and generally like to avoid getting dirty with all the ugliness and nastiness that seems to go along with political debate. Like ASH says below, if I want more stress in my life, I'll just go drive through Destin! :lol: HOWEVER, I really do enjoy reading about all of it and quietly educating myself.

I have learned more from you and your posts about Obama than from anyone, and have been most inspired by you to educate myself about him and his beliefs. And at this point, because of that, I'm actually on the fence. If I had to vote for one of these two candidates tomorrow, I have no idea who I'd vote for. If I thought you were anything other than passionately convicted, well-educated and sincerely interested, (not to mention courageous for being so public with your views) I would have ignored you long ago. And I think anyone who has followed this from the start can see that for themselves, just by the quality of your posts. I don't always agree with you, but I know every time I read something you've written, my mind will be opened a bit more. A sincere "Thank You" for that.

I don't know SeacrestKristi, but I do think it's sad that she has continued to focus on the pettiness instead of the possibility for thoughtful exchange. Communication on message boards should always be taken with a grain of salt, and people need to develop wisdom about when to press an issue and when to let it go and move on. We have such a unique opportunity here; this election is unprecedented in so many ways, and we are so lucky to be alive to witness and be a part of it.

Please keep posting, and please know that (I think anyway) most of us reading these posts can see through the BS to the heart of the matter, and that you have nothing to worry about.

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