Pennsylvania Dem primary

I really hope that Obama blows Hilary out of the water so she'll go away, but don't think it will realistically happen.

He was on the Daily Show last night and rocked! Quite the contrast to her appearance which made my skin crawl!

Hillary by 11 points. Fun fact of the dayennsylvania has the second oldest population among states, second only to Florida.

Hillary wins PA, unless Obama buys her out.

Hillary wins PA, unless Obama buys her out.

She might win, but not by the numbers she was showing 2 months ago.

Obama really caught up to her- she has to be pretty uncomfortable today.

Do you think she'll give up if he gets more votes than her?

Bama will do well in Philly and Pittsburg, the rest of the state (which is central Alabama per James Carville) and "older" will go to Moma.

Old folks, like me, up there will vote for Moma, young, wipper snappers will vote for Bama. Hill will win by 7%. But the race won't end until the rest of the Dem. Machine corners Hill and Bill with torches and forces them out.

Bama will do well in Philly and Pittsburg, the rest of the state (which is central Alabama per James Carville) and "older" will go to Moma.

Old folks, like me, up there will vote for Moma, young, wipper snappers will vote for Bama. Hill will win by 7%. But the race won't end until the rest of the Dem. Machine corners Hill and Bill with torches and forces them out.

Line of the day. Unfortunately the DNC is too busy not solving the Florida-Michigan issue.

Do you think she'll give up if he gets more votes than her?

no

Hillary's body was taken over by Charlton Heston upon his death:

When you pry (the DNC nomination) from my cold dead fingers.

I can tell you that I've never had so many political phone calls in my life. 10 over 2 days - 8 from Hillary's people & 2 (Michelle Obama & Franco Harris) for Obama.

Most of the people I've talked to are voting for Hillary. (Don't shoot the messenger!)

Off to vote soon........

Puck - NBC is calling it for Hillary!

10% of the voters in the primary recently changed their party affiliation just so they could vote in this primary. Only 3% had never voted before in Pennsylvania.

What do you think the odds are that the candidate they are voting for today will be the same one they vote for in November?

I am not surprised. Again, I do think Obama closing the gap on her lead was more newsworthy than her win. On to Indiana and North Carolina.

Also, I am trying to find hard figures on the number of Republicans that registered as Democrat for the PA primary. I have seen numbers at 150,000 and 780.

Okay, now someone explain to me just what this means? Does this give Hillary a chance now to win?

Not surprised that Obama did not pull it out. I heard from a couple of talking heads that he was refusing to participate in the 'street cash' program, whatever that is, and that without dumping cash into the populous precincts he would not be able to pull it off. I think the story is in how close he came.

I can tell you that I've never had so many political phone calls in my life. 10 over 2 days - 8 from Hillary's people & 2 (Michelle Obama & Franco Harris) for Obama.

Most of the people I've talked to are voting for Hillary. (Don't shoot the messenger!)

Off to vote soon........

You got a call from Franco Harris!!

I am really so over this presidential election. I'd like to vote against all of them.

I agree with wrobert....a lot depends on this last 15% yet to report. Right now, she has a double digit lead. My thinking this morning was that if she won by 6% or less, then it was an Obama win. 7-10% is a draw. More than 10%, and her argument with the superdelegates may continue to hold sway.

I found two things interesting in the exit polls --22% of the people who voted for Clinton said she was not honest and trustworthy, and when asked who would be the nominee, 55% of the people who voted today said Obama, only 43% said Clinton. So, 10 to 12% of the people who voted for Clinton to keep this thing going knowing she won't overcome his lead. I guess they enjoy weakening the party and watching the Clintons hatchet their nominee. It's so frustrating.

The NY Times Editorial Board (who endorsed Clinton) says it best:

The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it.

Voters are getting tired of it; it is demeaning the political process; and it does not work. It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election.

If nothing else, self interest should push her in that direction. Mrs. Clinton did not get the big win in Pennsylvania that she needed to challenge the calculus of the Democratic race. It is true that Senator Barack Obama outspent her 2-to-1. But Mrs. Clinton and her advisers should mainly blame themselves, because, as the political operatives say, they went heavily negative and ended up squandering a good part of what was once a 20-point lead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23wed1.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

And I have to say, that speech he gave was pretty excellent.

With 98.91% of the vote in, it looks like we are in single digits.

Clinton: 54.3%
Obama: 45.7%

That's 8.6%, and she's picked up 10 delegates total (He was up by 70, now only 60).

CNN, interestingly, is still reporting 55/45. If you want to check my source -- http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

So, not a bad night all in all.

Things to listen for tomorrow --

• Clintons surrogates will start talking about her leading the popular vote. This is wrong on many levels, most notably that it gives equal weight to open primaries, closed primaries, and caucuses, which make the representative total by state WAAAY off. Worse, it rquires that Clinton count Florida and Michigan -- Obama picked up 0 votes in Michigan. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
• The Clinton camp will be begging for money. Terry McAuliffe was on CNN asking for money and giving them totals raised throughout the night. They brought in $2 million. That's not enough to cover her outstanding invoices, and her big donors are tapped out. I gave Obama money just to keep his spirit's up with her big haul.
• If we're hearing about a 10 point victory instead of an 8.6 (I won't begrudge them saying 9) we can infer the media is just reading us the Clinton press releases at this point.

thanks for the update punzy and all. I haven't heard or watched a single thing in weeks... love reading my news right here.

btw punzy - what is obama's position on universal haircare?

Hillary by 11 points. Fun fact of the dayennsylvania has the second oldest population among states, second only to Florida.

Hey Punzy, I guess we like living with the old folks. It must make us feel younger.

At least our PA neighborhood was pro Obama if the number of Obama signs was an indicator.

My thinking this morning was that if she won by 6% or less, then it was an Obama win. 7-10% is a draw. More than 10%, and her argument with the superdelegates may continue to hold sway.

So how is a thin loss, really a win? Isn't a win, really a win? In every sporting event, a win by a hair, still takes home all the prize money and trophy. With the brief interview of Obama last night, I'd say he definitely had a look of loss on his face. He was looking like a deer in headlights. (I would be too, after 15 months of poliTRICKIN'.)

Maybe I'm a little slow, but I just heard about "operation chaos," today. If you Obama fans really want to be pissed off for the rest of the day, google it.

So how is a thin loss, really a win? Isn't a win, really a win? In every sporting event, a win by a hair, still takes home all the prize money and trophy. With the brief interview of Obama last night, I'd say he definitely had a look of loss on his face. He was looking like a deer in headlights. (I would be too, after 15 months of poliTRICKIN'.)

Because in this contest the name of the game is picking up enough delegates to secure the party nomination. Such a narrow win doesn't do much for Hillary who needs to play catch-up. He has also seriously depleted her campaign of cash-she has gone broke and gained nothing on him.

I here you on the delegates, but the press doesn't really cover that issue very well, and they simply focus on who the "winner" is, which, IMO, helps keep the reigns tight on Obama. If he cannot break out, the Dem party becomes more divided, which works right into Operation Chaos.

Because in this contest the name of the game is picking up enough delegates to secure the party nomination. Such a narrow win doesn't do much for Hillary who needs to play catch-up. He has also seriously depleted her campaign of cash-she has gone broke and gained nothing on him.

Does anyone know who would be leading now if it was winner take all like the general election, previously it was Obama. Is that the next refrain we are going to hear from HRC?

Yea....10% victory is a draw....now that's funny

This comes from the same group that says she should quit because she is less than 1% behind in the popular vote!

No matter how you Hillary haters spin it....this race is far, far, far, from over.

Superdelegates are already swaying in the wind.....

As far as the negative ads.....please....This race is throwing softballs compared to races in the past.

I also find it interesting that everyone hates the NY Times UNTIL they have an article that meets their agenda.....

Be afraid punzy......the "witch" is still brewing evil spells....;-)