Please, Please, Please Indiana....

I got on the phone to make some calls. I got a list of 15 people, all men. So far, four calls...four women have answered and wanted to know what I wanted with their husbands. Oops.

Hey Mermy, what's up with Carmel? I think they're prejudiced against Southerners...

Tis -- you should make some calls since you don't have an accent. :funn:

I got on the phone to make some calls. I got a list of 15 people, all men. So far, four calls...four women have answered and wanted to know what I wanted with their husbands. Oops.

Ha-ha! You don't call and ask for the husband in the Midwest unless you are a relative. You just got a bunch of men in trouble because some Southern floozy called for them! :rofl:

I slightly disagree on the thought of superdelegates overriding something. IMO, superdelegates don't override anything. They follow the rules and vote just like the rules say they can, and just like I did in SC for Obama. What would be the problem if on day one all the superdelegates would have came out and said we are all voting for Hillary instead of later in the process.

To me, that argument is just like Hillary saying that if the Dems used the Republican's nominating rules, I would already be the nominee, which is equally ludicrous. Everyone started with the same rules and now must live by them. Now if people want the rules changed, get to it.

Ha-ha! You don't call and ask for the husband in the Midwest unless you are a relative. You just got a bunch of men in trouble because some Southern floozy called for them! :rofl:

Oh, I don't dispute that it is within their rights to swing to a candidate other than the one who received the most pledged delegates. I just think it would be tragic for the future of the party if they did that.

Watching Carville last night on Nightline just convinced me that if this goes on much longer, we are going to see a convention fight that is a virtual repeat of Chicago in 1968...a generational fight that leads people to feel contempt for the party and the process. Indiana could be a game changer, and while I'm not terribly optimistic they will it would be such a fantastic relief.

I got on the phone to make some calls.

I agree it would be tragic, but my point is that I think portraying them as overriding something is not a valid argument as if they pledged to a candidate early then how could they be overriding anything. They are voting their conscious just like everyone else. I also think it points out that the Republicans aren't the only party ran by old codgers who make up the establishment. They were the party at least smart enough to not give the establishment too much power.

Or maybe "the Party leaders" knew this and set it up that way to begin with. I can see it now, "ok let's say we are the party of the people, and we are progressive, and we support the little people, but in the end make sure we can be the master puppeteer." Sad state of affairs no doubt, but politricks at its best.

So, why do you all think this is true? Why are there not more citizens willing to be involved in our government process?

I am appalled at how little most people know or care about our process...and, those who do care and want to make a difference, are labeled Elite...and I am not just speaking of Senator Obama.

What is it with our citizens?

Have you made any calls? It really is difficult. People by and large are not civil. I hate making calls. I love to canvass, but calls are hard. But, I'm glad to do it.

After 12 pointless calls, I found a guy who wasn't sure where he was supposed to go....47 minutes, and I got one vote out of it. Boy, did that make my day.

Well, Fiddle-Dee-Dee BeachSiO2! You used to be so much fun! All this political talk is just makin' my head swim!

Override was a poor word choice, I apologize. Honestly, I just don't think the SDs will swing to her in numbers substantial enough to change the outcome. I do think that Carville and the old DLC guard will hammer Obama and Dean hard and often all the way through the summer if this goes on, because they want to regain control of the party. I think most of the events of the primary season have shown just how democratic the party is, and how money and name recognition and donor lists don't trump ideas. Look at Obama and compare that to Paul, and I think you'll see that the old guard doesn't have a complete stranglehold on the DNC. With that said, there is something nice about a stranglehold -- one could use it to choke Carville and Wolfson. You're right, however...this all just needs to play out. The three pleases in the title weren't for the Obama campaign -- they were for me and my poor nerves on a very personal level.

Have you made any calls? It really is difficult. People by and large are not civil. I hate making calls. I love to canvass, but calls are hard. But, I'm glad to do it.

After 12 pointless calls, I found a guy who wasn't sure where he was supposed to go....47 minutes, and I got one vote out of it. Boy, did that make my day.

I just see so much apathy in day to day life--regular folks do not seem to connect to the fact that they can have an active "say" in what happens. So many want to complain about what "they" are doing...but, seem genuinely surprised when I ask what they have done: have your written or called or emailed your Congressperson? Have you written a letter to the editor? Have you signed up to work in a campaign? Have you gone to a meeting? etc., etc.

Maybe too many of us are working so hard to keep it all together...but, it seems like the idea of advoacy and public service got left behind somewhere.

Okay. Rant over.