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Oregon Apartment Complex Bans Flying the American Flag - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

An Oregon apartment complex is banning its residents from flying American flags, not only from their dwellings but also their vehicles, KATU in Portland reported.

Residents' outrage started when Jim Clausen, whose son is in the military and on his way back to Iraq, was told he couldn't fly an American flag from the back of his motorcycle.

If he didn't take the flag down, he was told he'd face eviction, the station reported.

"It floored me," Clausen told the station. "I can't believe she was saying what she was saying. It [the flag] stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly the flag."

Sharron White, a long-time resident, was told by management to take down the flag she's flown on her car for eight years because "someone might get offended."

"I just said to her, 'They'll just have to get over it,'" White told the station.

The ban also applies to flag stickers on cars, as well as sports flags.

KATU attempted to contact management at the apartment complex, but no one returned their calls.

Click here to read more on this story from KATU.

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AlphaCrab avatar
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#2
No. What is "serious" is how Fox "Noise" has now quickly becomes Sowal "Noise". I am inclined to believe Fox Noise is now becoming the mouth piece of Sowal.Com. :angry: ..and part of the vast right wing conspiracy here in the Panhandle!

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sunspotbaby avatar
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#3
Seriously? conspiracy? :roll: No one is forcing you to participate. You have free will, no?
AlphaCrab avatar
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#4
Seriously? conspiracy? :roll: No one is forcing you to participate. You have free will, no?

Actually the "conspiracy" part was just for chuckles...

Seriously though, it just seems that Fox Noise likes to get certain people all up in arms over absolutely nothing, you know like Merry Christmas being replaced with Happy Holidays by the left wing media. "Fox to base, Fox to base, come in please." :floor:
sunspotbaby avatar
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#5
You ought to be "up in arms" when some jackass says you can't fly the American Flag in ....AMERICA. :idontno:
Lynnie avatar
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#6
Yes, My Daddy would be all over this. And, others are reporting the same story. Oh well, Fox was first and so~~~~~~~
Banned
#8
The last line from the article reads - - -

"We're told the ban includes sports flags and even flag stickers on cars."

So it seems they ban all flags of all types, it isn't a ban on the American flag so put your weapons away and calm down.
Lynnie avatar
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#9
The last line from the article reads - - -

"We're told the ban includes sports flags and even flag stickers on cars."

So it seems they ban all flags of all types, it isn't a ban on the American flag so put your weapons away and calm down.

I saw that last sentence, too. They were probably rethinking what they were thinking when they were saying what they were saying specifically, pointedly and quite direct about the American Flag. Holding it (American Flag) inclusive to a news source lets them off the hook a tad......but, just a tad. ;-)

Afterall, America is a melting pot and is there a better symbol than the American Flag to show that apartment complex's diversity? :idontno:
Jdarg avatar
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#10
Is it private property?
Lynnie avatar
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#11
Is it private property?

Good point. The article doesn't address this, but usually apartments are privately owned.

I would still fly my American Flag, however. If it meant eviction, I would gladly leave a slum lord like that.
Beach Fanatic
#12
No. What is "serious" is how Fox "Noise" has now quickly becomes Sowal "Noise". I am inclined to believe Fox Noise is now becoming the mouth piece of Sowal.Com. :angry: ..and part of the vast right wing conspiracy here in the Panhandle!

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Jdarg avatar
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#13
Good point. The article doesn't address this, but usually apartments are privately owned.

I would still fly my American Flag, however. If it meant eviction, I would gladly leave a slum lord like that.

I would probably leave too.

It is very much a non story if it is private property- where are the personal property rights people? The owner should be able to make the rules for his own land, right?
Lynnie avatar
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#14
I would probably leave too.

It is very much a non story if it is private property- where are the personal property rights people? The owner should be able to make the rules for his own land, right?

I don't know? But, when you're renting the rights to someone else???

Their local news thought it was a pretty viable story. :idontno:
Jdarg avatar
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#15
I don't know? But, when you're renting the rights to someone else???

Their local news thought it was a pretty viable story. :idontno:

I think it would be a story if the landlord denied them running water or electricity or access to the building, but is it a legal right to be able to display the flag on property that does not belong to you? What if the same tenant was denied the right to display a swastika? Is that a story? I'm still not saying I agree with the landlord, but I find these type of things interesting.

The reporting news channels knew this would be a draw- you are smart enough to know that.
Lynnie avatar
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#16
I think it would be a story if the landlord denied them running water or electricity or access to the building, but is it a legal right to be able to display the flag on property that does not belong to you? What if the same tenant was denied the right to display a swastika? Is that a story? I'm still not saying I agree with the landlord, but I find these type of things interesting.

The reporting news channels knew this would be a draw- you are smart enough to know that.

You're right. It's not newsworthy.
Beach Lover
#17
Now, to be clear...I believe this is ridiculous and I am baffled why anyone would do this....however, SunSpot...I'd guess that a big part of your political ideology has to do with the US Government staying out and off of your "personal property". If I am wrong in assuming this, I apologize. However, if I am right.....isn't that all the ACLU is defending in this case? A persons right to not have other people (or the g'vmt) tell them what to do on their own personal property? The apartment buling in question is "private property"...just b/c we don't agree with the persons opinion doesn't give them less rights as an American. Ever.


You ought to be "up in arms" when some jackass says you can't fly the American Flag in ....AMERICA. :idontno:
Lynnie avatar
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#18
Now, to be clear...I believe this is ridiculous and I am baffled why anyone would do this....however, SunSpot...I'd guess that a big part of your political ideology has to do with the US Government staying out and off of your "personal property". If I am wrong in assuming this, I apologize. However, if I am right.....isn't that all the ACLU is defending in this case? A persons right to not have other people (or the g'vmt) tell them what to do on their own personal property? The apartment buling in question is "private property"...just b/c we don't agree with the persons opinion doesn't give them less rights as an American. Ever.

Holy Smokes! The ACLU is now involved? Is it confirmed that it is private property? And, is this in their leases? I don't know about OR, but in states I am aware, tenants have rights unless otherwise outlined in a lease, which is legal and binding.

If they want to implement a change, the leases must properly be amended. To discuss eviction with a tenant over an 'unknown' right seems over the top. Were they served notices in writing or threatened verbally? Evidently, the complex did see the error of their ways and retracted their 'new rule.'
picky
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Oregon Apartment Complex Bans Flying the American Flag - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

An Oregon apartment complex is banning its residents from flying American flags, not only from their dwellings but also their vehicles, KATU in Portland reported.

Residents' outrage started when Jim Clausen, whose son is in the military and on his way back to Iraq, was told he couldn't fly an American flag from the back of his motorcycle.

If he didn't take the flag down, he was told he'd face eviction, the station reported.

"It floored me," Clausen told the station. "I can't believe she was saying what she was saying. It [the flag] stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly the flag."

Sharron White, a long-time resident, was told by management to take down the flag she's flown on her car for eight years because "someone might get offended."

"I just said to her, 'They'll just have to get over it,'" White told the station.

The ban also applies to flag stickers on cars, as well as sports flags.

KATU attempted to contact management at the apartment complex, but no one returned their calls.

Click here to read more on this story from KATU.

I don't think, based on the Freedom to Display The American Flag Act of 2005 (signed a year later by then President Bush), that it's legal for the apartment manager to ban the flag. There is some wiggle room in the Act but it doesn't seem to apply to this particular situation. As follows:


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Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


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This Act may be cited as the `Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005'.


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(1) the term `flag of the United States' has the meaning given the term `flag, standard, colors, or ensign' under section 3 of title 4, United States Code;

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(2) the terms `condominium association' and `cooperative association' have the meanings given such terms under section 604 of Public Law 96-399 (15 U.S.C. 3603);

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(3) the term `residential real estate management association' has the meaning given such term under section 528 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C. 528); and

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(4) the term `member'--
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(C) as used with respect to a residential real estate management association, means an owner of a residential property within a subdivision, development, or similar area subject to any policy or restriction adopted by such association.




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A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any policy, or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a member of the association from displaying the flag of the United States on residential property within the association with respect to which such member has a separate ownership interest or a right to exclusive possession or use.


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(2) any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to protect a substantial interest of the condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association.



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Speaker of the House of Representatives.

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Vice President of the United States and

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President of the Senate
Jdarg avatar
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#20
Mermy, this sounds like it applies to people who actually own property- like condos, townhomes, in 'hoods with HOAs.

A good news story would have researched the legality of it all to find out if the apartment owner or renters had the rights.
picky
#21
Mermy, this sounds like it applies to people who actually own property- like condos, townhomes, in 'hoods with HOAs.

A good news story would have researched the legality of it all to find out if the apartment owner or renters had the rights.

Thank you jdarg for approaching this in a logical manner rather than getting all huffed up with an opinion that might or might not have had anything to do the legality of the situation! It gets a little tiresome to have every topic viewed as only an opportunity to hurl insults at the other side. Facts have evidently becomes footnotes to the story rather than cornerstones. Too boring I suppose...:roll:

I think the flag act by including the term "residential real estate management association" means landlords, so this does not apply to only actual owners of real estate. And from what I understand, the last bit about reasonable restriction is where the wiggle room that is open for courtroom debate comes in. I could imagine a ban on flying those enormous flags (like the kind they wave at car dealerships) in a residential setting would not be a new story, for example.

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Jdarg avatar
SoWal Expert
#22
Thank you jdarg for approaching this in a logical manner rather than getting all huffed up with an opinion that might or might not have had anything to do the legality of the situation! It gets a little tiresome to have every topic viewed as only an opportunity to hurl insults at the other side. Facts have evidently becomes footnotes to the story rather than cornerstones. Too boring I suppose...:roll:

I just found this one interesting, I don't know why. By tomorrow, it won't matter if the property owner or the tenant is right - because there will be so many people whipped into a frenzy by news stories only reporting one side. If the tenants are right, then report the law backing it up. Even if the property owner is in the legal right, he will most likely want to move!
picky
#23
I just found this one interesting, I don't know why. By tomorrow, it won't matter if the property owner or the tenant is right - because there will be so many people whipped into a frenzy by news stories only reporting one side. If the tenants are right, then report the law backing it up. Even if the property owner is in the legal right, he will most likely want to move!

I think it's interesting, too. It makes me think back to 9/11/01. Within days every bumper sported an American flag decal and sales of our flag went through the roof. Everyone wanted to display a flag. And now??
AlphaCrab avatar
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#24
I think it's interesting, too. It makes me think back to 9/11/01. Within days every bumper sported an American flag decal and sales of our flag went through the roof. Everyone wanted to display a flag. And now??[/quote]

...And now...The story is dead, this thread is dead, and I am going to bed.
AlphaCrab avatar
Beach Fanatic
#25
edit: Personal attacks are not allowed on SoWal.com

In my online community in Pa. (my former residence) personal attacks like that were deemed not acceptible and inappropriate--I guess that is just not the case here. :idontno:
picky
#26
I think it's interesting, too. It makes me think back to 9/11/01. Within days every bumper sported an American flag decal and sales of our flag went through the roof. Everyone wanted to display a flag. And now??[/quote]

...And now...The story is dead, this thread is dead, and I am going to bed.

Oh, please don't let us stop you. :wave:

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