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futurebeachbum avatar
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2 Unfairs don't make a fair - From an LA Times Opinion Piece.


There is so much to enjoy about the Democrats' Harry Reid problem, and yet I find the whole spectacle horribly depressing.

First, let's recap the bright side. The addlepated and vindictive Senate majority leader deserves the grief he's getting for saying -- according to the new book, "Game Change" -- that Barack Obama would make a promising Democratic presidential contender because he's "light-skinned" and can speak "Negro dialect" only when he wants to.

Just last month, Reid insinuated that fellow senators standing in the way of "Obamacare" were carrying on the tradition of the racists who stood in the way of civil rights in the 1960s. You've got to love it when the gods punish race-card players so poetically.

But one thing the moment doesn't call for is more "gotcha."

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said over the weekend that Reid should step down from his leadership position because of his comments. For this we needed the first African American head of the Republican Party?

Steele is obviously right that there's a double standard when it comes to such racial gaffes. A Republican says something stupidly offensive or offensively stupid about race and he must be destroyed, even if he apologizes like Henry in the snows of Canossa. But when a Democrat blunders the same way, the liberal establishment goes into overdrive explaining why it's no big deal.

But by demanding Reid's resignation, Steele is making an idiotic, nasty and entirely cynical game bipartisan. Yes, there's a double standard, bu] the point is that the standard used against conservatives is unfair, not that that unfair standard should be used against Democrats as well. (My Emphasis)

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2 Unfairs don't make a fair - From an LA Times Opinion Piece.
There is so much to enjoy about the Democrats' Harry Reid problem, and yet I find the whole spectacle horribly depressing.

First, let's recap the bright side. The addlepated and vindictive Senate majority leader deserves the grief he's getting for saying -- according to the new book, "Game Change" -- that Barack Obama would make a promising Democratic presidential contender because he's "light-skinned" and can speak "Negro dialect" only when he wants to.

Just last month, Reid insinuated that fellow senators standing in the way of "Obamacare" were carrying on the tradition of the racists who stood in the way of civil rights in the 1960s. You've got to love it when the gods punish race-card players so poetically.

But one thing the moment doesn't call for is more "gotcha."

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said over the weekend that Reid should step down from his leadership position because of his comments. For this we needed the first African American head of the Republican Party?

Steele is obviously right that there's a double standard when it comes to such racial gaffes. A Republican says something stupidly offensive or offensively stupid about race and he must be destroyed, even if he apologizes like Henry in the snows of Canossa. But when a Democrat blunders the same way, the liberal establishment goes into overdrive explaining why it's no big deal.

But by demanding Reid's resignation, Steele is making an idiotic, nasty and entirely cynical game bipartisan. Yes, there's a double standard, bu] the point is that the standard used against conservatives is unfair, not that that unfair standard should be used against Democrats as well. (My Emphasis)

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Yea, those conservatives have always looked out for the well being of African Americans.:roll:
30ashopper avatar
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Yea, those conservatives have always looked out for the well being of African Americans.:roll:

Republicans generally try and treat everyone equally while democrats tend single groups out based on race, sex, or income and treat them differently. Which party is doing more harm than good?

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30ashopper avatar
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#4
On the subject of the original post, I think any public figure that gets caught referring to a race using some form of derogatory slang (e.g. "negro") should be run out of the capital.. and based on current polling that's exactly what's going to happen next fall to Reid. Good riddance to him.

The fact that some political figures in the democrat party are actually defending this idiot just rubs salt in the wound IMHO. Nobody should be defending Reid for this.
Bob avatar
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Republicans generally try and treat everyone equally while democrats tend single groups out based on race, sex, or income and treat them differently. Which party is doing more harm than good?
republicans generally try to treat people equally?
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republicans generally try to treat people equally?


Yes, gays, African Americans, and non-christians are treated equally.
Beach Lover
#8
There is just too much straight up hate coming for the republicans.
They hate everything the Dems do with such passion, and no thought. I really do not like how split they have become on every issue. I like Obama. I hope he can actuallly get something done, but he and his party are up against some real political predjudice from the very pissy uncooperative Republicans. Meanwhile us plain old working folk are stuck in the middle of a debate that makes little sense, and is keeping us form progressing along in to the 21 century.
We are governed by a bunch spoiled brats who don't have the balls to make the hard decisions necessary to pull us out of the giant mess we got left with from an 8 year period of darkness.
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#9
republicans generally try to treat people equally?

Maybe I should have said libertarians. :biggrin:
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beats on hood
#10
I'll never forget when daughter was filling out her application for a learner's license. She asked me in a rather loud voice, "Momma, what race am I?" We were the only Caucasians in the room; everyone else was African-American. They started laughing; I started laughing. There was space for one letter. Did she put "W" for white (which isn't a race) or "C" for Caucasian?

It must be even more confusing for Blacks/African-Americans. What one letter do they use? I was just researching race, and the categorization of people by race has changed over the years. During much of Harry Reid's like, Negro was the polite term. But he should know that it is now considered an ethnic slur. In my research I couldn't find where "Black" is the name of a race, or "White," for that matter.

And what does my colleague who is black but not of African descent put down on an application form when asked for his race? Like he says, he's not an African-American. So what race is he?

I'm not saying that I categorize people according to race, but apparently it matters to the driver's license bureau, to colleges on their applications, etc.
sunspotbaby avatar
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#11
interesting. I don't understand it, but i'm colorless. (at lease until March)

The turning point came when Stokely Carmichael coined the phrase black power at a 1966 rally in Mississippi. Until then, Negro was how most black Americans described themselves. But in Carmichael's speeches and in his landmark 1967 book, Black Power: The Politics of Liberation in America, he persuasively argued that the term implied black inferiority.

How old was Harry Reid when the word Negro became taboo? - By Brian Palmer - Slate Magazine
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#12
Human seems to fit all.
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#13
What Harry Reid said wasn't the problem - HOW he said it was.

Negro? WTF?!?
Beauty hunter avatar
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#14
I hate to break up the party (Republican/Democratic) debate, but to applaud or disparage an entire group is like saying because one person or more in a group is prejudiced that all the people in that group are prejudiced. Each individual has to be gauged by his/her individual words/actions. The man in question in this debate obviously said something stupid and inflammatory. This does not necessarily mean everyone in his party agrees with him. It would be the same thing as one individual in one ethnic group blaming another entire ethnic group for a negative comment from one individual in that group. What does this hamster wheel debate accomplish? If there is a purpose, then please say what it is. If the point is to just get things out in the open and air grievances I can understand that, but I don't understand complaining without looking for a SOUND SOLUTION. If you just like to argue please excuse me for interrupting. Carry on... :wave:
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beats on hood
#15
What Harry Reid said wasn't the problem - HOW he said it was.

Negro? WTF?!?
Plus he said (but didn't actually use these words) that Obama doesn't speak Ebonics, as verbalized by Tony Harris, an African-American anchor on CNN, yesterday.
Teresa avatar
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#16
IMO, Reids words are just not even close to being important enough to warrant such publicity.

Reid's words were a private statement that ended up published in a book. too bad they had to be aired publicly. what he (or anyone) says privately is really not my concern. His statement was not said in a derogatory manner, even though it can be taken that way.

Game Change is a political gossip book (also referred to as poli-porn) filled with quotes and stories by unnamed sources. it may be a really interesting book to read. from what I understand it is full of personal statements and stories about candidates and politicians. read it and enjoy it, but I would not take a single word of it seriously. the stories are just stories - and they are the same old stories that have taken place in the USA since George Washington was elected president. only now we get to really see inside the private lives of politicians and their wives and families - and we get to read all about the details and watch the story unfold as named and unnamed "witnesses and friends" tell it to a reporter.

to anyone who is in a frenzy over Reid or anything else in the book, I say this: Get a Life.

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scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#17
I think it's important in that it says a lot about the reality of race in this country ............ but it should be a blip and comedy fodder, not a multi-day dead horse beating.
Matt J avatar
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I think it's important in that it says a lot about the reality of race in this country ............ but it should be a blip and comedy fodder, not a multi-day dead horse beating.

Why not? It's absolutely pointless and distracts the masses from wars, health care, financial crisis, and various other worth while issues.
futurebeachbum avatar
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Why not? It's absolutely pointless and distracts the masses from wars, health care, financial crisis, and various other worth while issues.

Sure makes me long for the days when political service was just that; a service to the nation.

I'd like to see statesmanship, compromise and an interest in the greater good of the republic be the norm instead of lobbyists, media attention and big $ any way you can get them.
30ashopper avatar
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#20
IMO, Reids words are just not even close to being important enough to warrant such publicity.

Why not? It's absolutely pointless and distracts the masses from wars, health care, financial crisis, and various other worth while issues.

Exactly. Which is why we should all go back to parsing what Sarah Palin is saying. now that, is real news.

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Teresa avatar
SoWal Guide
#21
Exactly. Which is why we should all go back to parsing what Sarah Palin is saying. now that, is real news.

I don't have a clue as to what SP is saying these days.

If I KNEW what SP was saying, I may be a bit more concerned because she is spouting whatever she is spouting to a captured audience of americans. I'm uncomfortable with her positions on issues and the way she speaks on those issues (often demeaning those on the other side of the fence from her. often without much substance or thought pattern).

Reid's words were stupid. and personal. not scary. (his statement was thoughtless and not meant to be broadcasted). should I be concerned with his private remarks? no.

SP's words are (perhaps) stupid. and highly public - giving some legitimacy to them - at least for a lot of viewers. scary. I say perhaps because I have no clue the words coming out of her piehole. should I be concerned about her public remarks? well, I don't know. you tell me.
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#22
Palin was a candidate, so I think she's fair game for citicism. People like Limbaugh, Robertson, Beck, etc. I personally ignore, they aren't politicians, they're 'hollywood'. Reid, well certainly, he's the leader of the U.S. Senate.
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beats on hood
#23
I don't have a clue as to what SP is saying these days.

If I KNEW what SP was saying, I may be a bit more concerned because she is spouting whatever she is spouting to a captured audience of americans. I'm uncomfortable with her positions on issues and the way she speaks on those issues (often demeaning those on the other side of the fence from her. often without much substance or thought pattern).

Reid's words were stupid. and personal. not scary. (his statement was thoughtless and not meant to be broadcasted). should I be concerned with his private remarks? no.

SP's words are (perhaps) stupid. and highly public - giving some legitimacy to them - at least for a lot of viewers. scary. I say perhaps because I have no clue the words coming out of her piehole. should I be concerned about her public remarks? well, I don't know. you tell me.
SP just puts together a string of words that don't make sense when she doesn't know how to respond. And that is pretty often.:lol:
Teresa avatar
SoWal Guide
#24
Palin was a candidate, so I think she's fair game for citicism. People like Limbaugh, Robertson, Beck, etc. I personally ignore, they aren't politicians, they're 'hollywood'. Reid, well certainly, he's the leader of the U.S. Senate.


good point!
Bob avatar
SoWal Insider
#25
who on the left approaches the audience of beck and oreilly? is there a counterpoint to uneducated white anger?
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#26
who on the left approaches the audience of beck and oreilly? is there a counterpoint to uneducated white anger?

I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing MSNBC's line up might provide what you're looking for. I've heard there are "Rush Limbaughs of the left" on Air America as well. I think Sirius carries them.

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