Monsanto*FDA*USDA***Menage a trois

Mango, I just you!

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power."
-President Franklin D. Roosevelt

Be a leader of what you know to be true with your motive being love or other leaders will step in and lead you with power (government employees that accept bribes or transfer from or to corporations during timely legislation) and money(corporations that seek control at the expense of people's health or lives). Wake up America, no one passing legislation or making money at your expense is going to warn you of the consequences. Speak now or become a ...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaP0q_ONLYI"]YouTube- Sheeple Of Amerika - Payday Monsanto aka Payze Duez[/ame]

One more note: Check out the holocaust timeline and see the step by step moves Hitler made to dispel freedom in the lives of those that died, it was gradual. I may have time to document this later.
History is there so we can learn from it. If we analyze the fall of the people in Germany, we will see what threatens America, and hopefully will take steps to avoid it. Right now, according to the timeline of the holocaust, we would be in the concentration camp, ingesting chemicals(GMO seed). If this does not wake you up, I cannot help you.
You might think what I'm saying is radical, but I ask you, what is best for your children- pesticide seeds or natural seeds? That is not a hard question.

You might think what I'm saying is radical, but I ask you, what is best for your children- pesticide seeds or natural seeds? That is not a hard question.

Glad to know I'm not the only one bewildered by those defending their right to eat adulterated/poisoned food.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joweZ6uM5iY&feature=related"]YouTube- The Genetic Conspiracy (1/3) - about Monsanto[/ame]

GOOD info!! 3 parts.

Say, where's Susan Horn? This is something she is PASSIONATE about

The decline of civilization one step at a time: Step 1- Establish legal authority

1. Hitler appointed Chancellor of Germany
2. 40,000 auxiliary police sworn in [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_police]Auxiliary police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

3. Nazi's burn Reichstag building to create crisis atmosphere
4. Emergency powers granted to Hitler as a result of the Reichstag fire
5. Nazis open Dachau concentration camp near Munich
6. German Parliament passes Enabling Act giving Hitler dictatorial powers

All this happened in less than 2 mths



The decline of civilization one step at a time: Step 2- Remove personal power from targeted individuals

1. Boycott livelihood of Jews
2. Single out ethnicity(namely non-Aryan)
3. The gestapo's [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo]Gestapo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] plan to take control through famine
4. Remove literature while singing Nazi songs and anthems
5. Nazi party declared only legal party in Germany
6. Finally, Nazi's pass law to strip Jewish immigrants of their citizenship and
7. Forced sterilization of those found by Hereditary Health Court to have genetic defects

All this happened in less than 4 mths.

To be cont.

The decline of civilization one step at a time: Step 3- Civil rights removed

Targeted individuals excluded from business associations(Nazis had their own Chamber), the arts, owning land, and being newspaper editors. Also, Nazi's pass law against Habitual and Dangerous criminals which allows beggars, the homeless, alcoholics, and the unemployed to be sent to concentration camps.

All this happened in less than 3 mths.

To be cont.(maybe)

Going to have to do this later cause I want to dig up Hitler and kill him over again that this could happen to a people. I believe it is important to document in simple terms so we can recognize it if we see it in America and do something to stop it instead of letting our rights be destroyed one at a time. Those of us that have a conscience can hear what I am saying, there are those that live in a bubble that will burst eventually if they do not stand up for what is right. As we can see, with just a land/oil issue in Florida, we are hard-pressed to find candidates that want to truly represent what the people want and we do know who they are. We have to work together as a team to ensure our rights as citizens and to stand up to companies like Monsanto that spread seeds of death by not purchasing them and demanding labeling on GMO foods. It is a free country and if people like pesticide foods, they can purchase them. I just think we should have that option and not have it forced upon us by the omission of labeling.

While I think Monsanto has the potential for a great deal of harm and has too much power, I find the comparison to Hitler/Nazis to be WAY over the top.

Agricultural reform/education needed vs. death camps :roll:

Hey Scootie

I got the idea from Monsanto's own resume which states that Monsanto joined with IG Farben in 1967, "the German chemical firm that was the financial core of the Hitler regime, and was the main supplier of Zyklon-B to the German government during the extermination phase of the Holocaust." IG Farben was not dissolved until 2003. Check post #41 for info above.

I was documenting the ways of Hitler cause I figured since Monsanto had no scruples based on the fact that they joined up with a company that was a known ally to Hitler and his atrocities, they might follow the same pattern Hitler did. If nothing else, I wanted to see what strategies Hitler used to see who was following the same destructive ways in America and point them out so everyone could see. Some people like to not know or pretend not to know what goes on in America and that goes back to what I call heads in the sand.

I am not actually comparing Monsanto to the Hitler regime, but I have been known to change my mind based on the facts.

Based on that reasoning, anyone who buys/drives a Volkswagen is a Nazi. :roll:

Apples and oranges Scootie

Vehicles were not the method of execution in the Holocaust- chemicals were, specifically Zyklon B- bit of difference there. IG Farben delivered chemical weapons that killed thousands of people. Monsanto's motive is questionable in my book and research into its ways deserve notice. Someone that has something to hide is going to put a face on it so it cannot be easily recognizable, until the mask comes off. I prefer faces without masks. I probably spot masks more readily cause growing up in politics, everyone had one. If you are promoting truth you don't need a mask. Monsanto is saying one thing and doing something else- mask. If there is something you like about Monsanto then post it, if it is a proven fact, and it is good, then after I check into it myself I might believe it.

Norman Borlaug. The man who fed the world.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ni5_wnWAmI"]YouTube- Penn Jillette Interview with Dr Norman Borlaug [5/5][/ame]

GM genocide in India
Prince Charles is appalled, but our government is bowing at the feet of Monsanto, I wonder why?
The GM genocide: Thousands of Indian farmers are committing suicide after using genetically modified crops | Mail Online

USDA ignores organic farmers/caters to Monsanto
Another Monsanto man in a key USDA post? Obama?s ag policy?s giving me whiplash | Grist

What is happening to the butterflies and bees? Word on the street is GMO. If you saw the movie, The Bees, you would know this is the beginning of the end.
Ode Magazine : Give bees a chance

GM genocide in India
Prince Charles is appalled, but our government is bowing at the feet of Monsanto, I wonder why?
The GM genocide: Thousands of Indian farmers are committing suicide after using genetically modified crops | Mail Online

People killed themselves because of their business failures. The fact the GMO crops were involved is immaterial. An article like that would appeal to sound biters. Urban Dictionary: Author SWGB

People killed themselves because of their business failures. The fact the GMO crops were involved is immaterial. An article like that would appeal to sound biters. Urban Dictionary: Author SWGB

He was making money, he was lured into using GMO seeds and they failed, he was in debt from buying them and lost everything. The root here is still a GMO crop. Apparently his previous crops were working, but he was promised more by using GMO and it didn't work.

He was making money, he was lured into using GMO seeds and they failed, he was in debt from buying them and lost everything. The root here is still a GMO crop. Apparently his previous crops were working, but he was promised more by using GMO and it didn't work.

How well did non-GM crops do during this time, what's the typical suicide rate in India traditionally, and how many of them are farmers? The seeds may be more expensive with potential for creating hardship when failures occur, but that's a far cry from blaming GM technology, and of course the term GM genocide is absurd.

Prince Charles and India’s ?GM Genocide? - Counterknowledge.com

According to New Scientist, ?more than 100,000 people kill themselves each year in India. Many of these deaths are of men who fall into debt, and one-fifth of all the suicides are farmers.? It is nothing new for anti-GM activists, including Prince Charles, to blame GM crops for these deaths: in 2005, Gene Campaign, an anti-GM group based in Delhi, was calling for legal action against India?s Genetic Engineering Approval Committee (GEAC) for ?criminal negligence and willful suppression of facts in the Bt cotton case? [for Bt read GM]. But even they only cited ?several instances? of farmer suicides. Significantly though, Gene Campaign made some attempt at a scientific study:

GMO Food For Thought: Biotech Crops: Former U.S. President Carter Backs Biotechnology for Africa

Biotech Crops: Former U.S. President Carter Backs Biotechnology for Africa

Council for Biotechnology Information
July 8, 2007

Excerpt?

Jimmy Carter speaks out against anti-biotech "propaganda."

Growing biotech crops in Africa has gained another voice of support in former U.S. president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter.

In a speech in September at the United Nations University in Tokyo,1 Carter spoke about the need for further aid for sub-Saharan Africa. His goal in speaking was, "to address perhaps the most basic human right of all: for food to eat."

Carter spoke at length about the need for more aid targeted for agricultural development in Africa. He also made clear his objections to those who would keep the fruits of biotechnology out of the hands of people who need it most.

"We must combat the false propaganda of some European extremists who condemn the use of genetically modified seeds," Carter said. "Their misleading statements have been extremely damaging to Africa, where some misguided leaders have rejected such imports."

In 2002, several African countries debated whether to accept food aid ? including corn developed with biotechnology ? from the United States. In the end, only one country, Zambia, rejected the food aid outright. But the debate over the safety of biotech food that is eaten every day by North Americans continues as hunger becomes even more widespread in Africa?.

Okay, let me be very clear that I spoke with a friend and employee about this. He lives here. He told me first hand that this was due to the crops failing which were GMO, other farmers who felt taking on the debt was a bad idea had average yields from their non-GMO crops. It was not a weather anomaly.

Gmo crop failure in Africa
South African GMO Crop Failure Highlights Dangers of Food Supply Domination

Monsanto: The seed police
Monsanto's Harvest of Fear | Politics | Vanity Fair

Death doesn't bother Monsanto because it's your life, not theirs.
Monsanto motto: The world's a guinea pig
Fears grow as study shows genetically modified crops 'can cause liver and kidney damage' | Mail Online

Is the government having an affair with Monsanto?
1/21/01 - Monsanto and G.W. Bush Administration: Who Will Own the Store?

Monsanto employees and government regulatory agencies
employees are the same people!

Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:43:59 -0600
From: Peter Khaled <pkhaled@earthlink.net>
Subject: Revolving Door - Updated list - FYI

David W. Beier . . .former head of Government Affairs for
Genentech, Inc., . . .now chief domestic policy advisor to Al
Gore, Vice President of the United States.

Linda J. Fisher . . .former Assistant Administrator of the
United States Environmental Protection Agency's Office of
Pollution Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, . . .then
became Vice President of Government and Public Affairs for
Monsanto Corporation and now (2001) is Deputy Director
of the Environmental Protection Agency.

Michael A. Friedman, M.D. . . former acting commissioner of
the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
Department of Health and Human Services . . .now senior
vice-president for clinical affairs at G. D. Searle & Co., a
pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L. Val Giddings . . . former biotechnology regulator and
(biosafety) negotiator at the United States Department of
Agriculture (USDA/APHIS), . . .now Vice President for Food &
Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale . . . former assistant to the President of the
United States and director for intergovernmental affairs, . .
.now Director of International Government Affairs for Monsanto
Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor. . . former Secretary of the United
States Department of Commerce and former Trade
Representative of the United States, . . .now member of the
board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King . . . former director of production for White House
events, . . . now director of global communication in the
Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley . . . former administrator of the Animal and
Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States
Department of Agriculture, former chair and vice-chair of the
United States Department of Agriculture Biotechnology Council,
former member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
food advisory committee, . . . and now Director of Regulatory
and External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural
Enterprise.

Margaret Miller . . . former chemical laboratory supervisor for
Monsanto, . . .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and
Consultative Services, New Animal Drug Evaluation Office,
Center for Veterinary Medicine in the United States Food and
Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips . . . recently with the National Academy of
Science Board on Agriculture . . . now head of regulatory affairs
for the Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D. Ruckelshaus . . . former chief administrator of the
United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), . .
.now (and for the past 12 years) a member of the board of
directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor . . . former legal advisor to the United States
Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical
Devices and Bureau of Foods, later executive assistant to the
Commissioner of the FDA, . . . still later a partner at the law
firm of King & Spaulding where he supervised a nine-lawyer
group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural Company, .
. . still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United
States Food and Drug Administration, . . . and later with the
law firm of King & Spaulding. . . . now head of the
Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud . . . former microbial biotechnology researcher at
Monsanto Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, . . .now with the
United States Environmental Protection Agency Environmental
Effects Laboratory, Western Ecology Division.

Jack Watson. . .former chief of staff to the President of the
United States, Jimmy Carter, . . .now a staff lawyer with
Monsanto Corporation in Washington, D.C.

Clayton K. Yeutter . . . former Secretary of the U.S.
Department of Agriculture, former U.S. Trade Representative
(who led the U.S. team in negotiating the U.S. Canada Free
Trade Agreement and helped launch the Uruguay Round of the
GATT negotiations), now a member of the board of directors of
Mycogen Corporation, whose majority owner is Dow
AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical
Company.

Larry Zeph . . . former biologist in the Office of Prevention,
Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency, . . . now Regulatory Science Manager at
Pioneer Hi-Bred International.

*Margaret Miller, Michael Taylor, and Suzanne Sechen (an FDA
"primary reviewer for all rbST and other dairy drug production applications"
) were the subjects of a U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) investigation in
1994 for their role in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's approval of
Posilac, Monsanto Corporation's formulation of recombinant bovine growth
hormone (rbST or rBGH). The GAO Office found "no conflicting financial
interests with respect to the drug's approval" and only "one minor deviation from
now superseded FDA regulations". (Quotations are from the 1994 GAO
report).
Monsanto employees and government regulatory agencies employees are the same people!

I would like to add that Lucifer Sam is doing a very good job of playing devils advocate.

Seems Monsanto is getting the eyeball from the Justice Department now.

The price increases have not only irritated many farmers, they have caught the attention of the Obama administration. The Justice Department began an antitrust investigation of the seed industry last year, with an apparent focus on Monsanto, which controls much of the market for the expensive bioengineered traits that make crops resistant to insect pests and herbicides.
The investigation is just one facet of a push by the Obama administration to take a closer look at competition — or the lack thereof — in agriculture, from the dairy industry to livestock to commodity crops, like corn and soybeans.



Rapid Rise in Seed Prices Draws U.S. Scrutiny - NYTimes.com

I would like to add that Lucifer Sam is doing a very good job of playing devils advocate.

As long as people keep using birther, deather, truther type scare tactics.

Seems Monsanto is getting the eyeball from the Justice Department now.

The price increases have not only irritated many farmers, they have caught the attention of the Obama administration. The Justice Department began an antitrust investigation of the seed industry last year, with an apparent focus on Monsanto, which controls much of the market for the expensive bioengineered traits that make crops resistant to insect pests and herbicides.
The investigation is just one facet of a push by the Obama administration to take a closer look at competition ? or the lack thereof ? in agriculture, from the dairy industry to livestock to commodity crops, like corn and soybeans.

Rapid Rise in Seed Prices Draws U.S. Scrutiny - NYTimes.com

This is an area where I think we can agree on something. There needs to be a different set of intellectual property laws for products that become part of your environment and make copies of themselves. The good news is that it's not just the little guy against Monsanto, the big boys are getting into the act too. There is no doubt that reform is needed in the industry. Some people's idea of reform would be zero-tolerance for the technology. That's where I would disagree.

Seems Monsanto is getting the eyeball from the Justice Department now.

The price increases have not only irritated many farmers, they have caught the attention of the Obama administration. The Justice Department began an antitrust investigation of the seed industry last year, with an apparent focus on Monsanto, which controls much of the market for the expensive bioengineered traits that make crops resistant to insect pests and herbicides.
The investigation is just one facet of a push by the Obama administration to take a closer look at competition ? or the lack thereof ? in agriculture, from the dairy industry to livestock to commodity crops, like corn and soybeans.



Rapid Rise in Seed Prices Draws U.S. Scrutiny - NYTimes.com

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Have any of you come across an analysis of whether or not the lower pesticide/herbicide cost offsets the higher seed price (of GM seeds)?
Since Roundup and some other chemicals have been used long enough now that some weeds have become resistant to them, what can farmers use?
Even using the naturally occurring Bt bacteria through the technology of creating Bt corn (which can defend itself against corn borers) we now have the problem of insect resistance.

Seems we may have made our own bed here and are now laying in it.



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Thanks for nothing, Gregor!