A leader is defined as one who can marshal all resources required to address a current crisis and do so in a minimal amount of time. Have a plan of action and implement it immediately. At the same time, conveying to the American people the who, what, when , where and why. Our president is woefully lacking as a leader.
The masterful article below is from The American Thinker. I love those guys over there.
Obama Fails the Test of Office
By J.R. Dunn
Over the past few weeks, we've been treated to a precise and detailed preview of what the rest of the Obama presidency will be like: a sky black with chickens coming home to roost and blaming George W. Bush.
Not even midway into the Obama presidency, we've been hit with two major crises and a scandal. Constituting the first serious challenges to confront this administration, they arrive quite belated, occurring eighteen months into Obama's first term. Obama has had plenty of time to prepare (recall that Bush was thrust into his moment of truth less than nine months after taking office). So how has he done?
The crises are, of course, the Deepwater Horizon blowout and the sinking of the South Korean warship Cheonan. (The Israeli maritime strike against Hamas has not yet blown up to crisis level, though the administration is doing its best to accomplish that.) The scandal is the Sestak affair, now promoted to the Sestak-Romanoff affair.
George W. Bush was condemned by everybody from the man in the street to Heaven's mighty seraphim due to the fact that federal aid did not arrive in New Orleans for three whole days after Hurricane Katrina struck. (This was -- and remains -- standard operating procedure for federal disaster assistance. It's hard to see how it could be otherwise -- but we'll skip that.) It has been six weeks since the Deepwater Horizon blowout. And what has the Obama administration accomplished in a time period fourteen times longer than that granted to Bush?
Well, we've seen Obama frowning. Obama sticking his fingers into the sand. Obama saying he's frustrated. Obama telling us a heartwarming story about his daughter. He even, according to spokesman Robert Gibbs, said "damn" at one point. (Though this has not yet been independently verified by a third party.)
That's it. That's the sum total of accomplishment by Barack Obama, his administration, his party, and his bureaucracy, in facing his first major domestic crisis.
The hardware and ancillary equipment necessary to deal with a seabed blowout is well understood. (This information has been nicely presented elsewhere, here in particular, but we'll repeat it because the exercise is so fulfilling to the soul.) Floating booms trap the oil and keep it from dispersing. Burn booms isolate floating oil and set it ablaze. Tankers can be equipped to sweep the oil off the ocean surface. Not a single one of these items was available to any of the parties responsible for responding to a potential disaster in the Gulf. Not BP, not the Interior Department, not the federal government as a whole. The feds tried to borrow a fire boom from a private party. To what purpose is difficult to surmise -- a single boom would be about as useful as a plastic bucket in a disaster of this magnitude. Much of the past month and a half has been spent playing catchup on the equipment front, and we have not yet seen the end of it.
(For a sense of perspective, in those three days when Bush was doing "nothing," the U.S. Army was moving entire units into Louisiana from as far away as Kentucky, the Coast Guard was rescuing from twenty to thirty thousand trapped flood victims, and FEMA was launching the mammoth logistical effort to move the materials necessary for recovery. So what did Bush do wrong again? Looked out a plane window, you say?)
It's actually far worse than it seems, since Obama's failures extend to well before the blowout ever occurred. His appointee to Interior, Ken Salazar, supposedly a new order of Green crusader, failed to provide any meaningful oversight to the agencies under his control, or even give them so much as a quick examination, as far as anyone has been able to tell. But this is easily topped by the pure idiocy of announcing a new effort on offshore drilling without close consultation with industry experts, which might have revealed that at least one company was cutting corners. So the big blowout is not only a failure, but it's a multidimensional failure occurring over a lengthy duration.
We came at last to the Jindal plan, the sole attempt on record by any government official to do anything at all to halt the encroaching oil slicks. Bobby Jindal wanted to build a series of berms along the Louisiana coast. He needed federal backing for this, since the plan was a big-ticket item, with some estimates reaching $360 million. So how did the administration of President Trillion-Dollar Deficit respond? Not at all, you'll be shocked to hear. The governor heard nothing from the feds for weeks as oil began to saturate the coastal wetlands. Then, far to the north, Sarah the Huntress raised her fearsome fingers to tweet a message south: Gov.Jindal: to avoid ravished coast, build the berms. Ask forgiveness later;Feds are slow to act, local leadership&action can do more for coast.
Only then did the administration at last break its silence to order British Petroleum to pay for five berms. Why this could not have happened a month ago is anybody's guess, as is the question as to why they did not agree to the sixteen berms that Jindal says are necessary.
The Deepwater Horizon disaster is a twofer: the worst environmental disaster on record matched with most incompetent response. And all on the watch of America's greenest president. Who'd have ever guessed?
But let's cut O a little slack. After all, as his supporters say, it's not as if nothing else was happening. There's no end of urgent matters to occupy the presidential time. What about Korea?
Okay, what about it? North Korea, the most rogue of rogue regimes, torpedoes a warship, the corvette Cheonan, at the cost of 46 lives, in the most blatant act of aggression since the armistice was signed in July 1953. And Obama's response was...
Nothing. It's as if nobody was sitting in the Oval Office. As far as anyone has been able to discern, there has been no consultation with Japan; no attempt to nudge China, the sole ally North Korea has; no gesture toward U.N. involvement, for what that would be worth; no realignment or reinforcement of military forces to pressure the North. The entire administration response is encompassed in a single remark from Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs: "We certainly don't want a conflict."
That's it. The most fraught encounter of the Cold War, a three-year clash costing 60,000 American lives, 650,000+ Chinese, and well over a million Koreans, looks as if it's about to explode once again, and what do we get from the U.S. government? "We don't want no trouble, Mr. Kim. I mean that. Just tell us what you want us to do." (The Pacific president then underlined his negligence by canceling a trip to the region for the second time.)
What do I think? I think that Kim, facing his impending death, is lashing out in the style of Tiberius. ("When I die, let fire the earth consume.") We'll be hearing more from north of the 38th parallel -- and I doubt it will wait until 2012.
Evidently, Joe Sestak doesn't exist, either.
Bill Clinton, that great, close friend of Obama, offered Sestak not a job, but a seat on some kind of intelligence council unknown to even the most experienced Washington media hands. A useless position, without even a salary, and one which, it turns out, Sestak wasn't even eligible for. This as the payoff for backing out of a viable senate campaign in one of the key mid-Atlantic states. That's what Mister I-did-not-have-sex-with-that-woman wants us to believe.
This is obviously a story cooked up to curtail further inquiries while legally covering everyone involved. It follows several months of complete silence apart from the customary runaround from Robert Gibbs. The fact that there must be more to it would not have escaped the attention of a small child, as long as that child was not employed by a major media outlet.
The story grew legs last week when it was revealed that Colorado senate candidate Andrew Romanoff was offered a choice of three positions by White House apparatchik Jim Messina if he too abandoned his campaign.
So now we have two identical potential felonies connected with the administration. Excitement on our side of the fence has reached a high pitch, with speculation concerning impeachment or a forced resignation. Is there anything to it?
Sad to say, probably not. The classic formulation concerning political scandals is that they work best the less you need to explain them. Watergate scarcely needed any explanation. A burglary of Democratic headquarters by shady operatives on behalf of a paranoid Richard Nixon? The story in all its ramifications told itself with no effort whatsoever. But this? Somebody in the White House -- nobody knows who -- wanted to give a guy a job. There's no resonance to this story; it opens no broad vistas of criminality and corruption. Push it too hard as it stands and it's likely to generate a blowback in favor of Obama as much as anything else. (Besides, it was Big Bill who offered the deal, and he's already been impeached once. It didn't even slow him down.)
All the same, Obama is repeating Nixon's mistake in trying to ignore the scandal out of existence. They called this "stonewalling" back in 1972. It works for a while, but not forever. If something else comes up, it could blow the whole thing wide open. Perhaps Darrell Issa will track down something interesting. We can hope.
There are three markers for dismal in modern American politics: Bush's Katrina effort for natural disasters (unfair, I know, but there it is), Jimmy Carter's inertia during the Iranian hostage crisis for foreign relations, and Richard Nixon's Watergate fiasco for internal scandals. As of this moment, Obama has matched all three, and, it can be argued, exceeded them in the case of Bush and Carter.
As for future crises, all planted, fertilized, watered, and ready to emerge, we have:
Israel -- the Hamas flotilla was simply a test to see how far they could go, much the same as the Cheonan sinking. There will be more to come.
Iran -- those nukes will be coming off the line soon enough. Praise Allah!
Russia -- perpetually on the alert to grab off whatever they can. O handled Georgia just swell, didn't he?
Collapse of the Euro -- not so much a possibility as a certainty. But hey, economics is O's major strength. We've got to admit that, haven't we?
Terror Strikes -- eventually the jihadis are going to run out of goofs and send somebody who can figure out how to light a fuse. Look out below!
The Border -- What border?
A Double Dip -- See "Collapse of the Euro," above.
...along with the inevitable unforeseen eventuality that always hits at the precise wrong moment.
Previous presidents have often grown in stature when trouble hits. FDR, Harry Truman, and Bush all manned up when confronted with unexpected and overwhelming crises, which is why we look back at them with affection and respect (yes, even FDR). Can anybody picture O doing the same? Well, Salvador Dal?, maybe, but I'm not him.
Obama got into office under false pretenses, a fact that has now become undeniable. He was omnicompetent, eminently intelligent, the man -- the god, according to some -- with all the answers. Now the lifeguard is at the deep end of the pool, over his head, and floundering, with the bath house on fire and alligators jumping into the children's end. It is our task as citizens (and I include those who voted for him) to assure that he doesn't pull the U.S., not to mention the rest of the world, down with him, while also somehow dealing with all those other challenges. This should keep us busy until 2012.
I take great comfort in Adam Smith's dictum: "Be assured that there is a great deal of ruin in a nation." This holds far more truth for the United States than for many other countries. Even today, with all that we've endured, we still have suffered only a few dents and scratches. The U.S. is tough; whatever comes, we'll get through it all right. In truth, much of our problem lies in the fact that we've become a bit spoiled -- as O's election demonstrates clearly enough. We need some of that kicked out of us by circumstances. When the Interregnum is over, we'll in better shape than we were when it began.
And I'll tell you something else: he'll crack before we do.
J.R. Dunn is consulting editor of American Thinker.
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Beach Fanatic
What do you think about the media coverage of Obama's handling of the spill? Do you believe the media is treating him better, worse or the same as Bush was after Katrina?
Do you think it's right that the journalist writing about the Palins moved in next door to them?
I know this is off topic but I'm just following your lead since you continue to hijack my media thread.
Let me know if this is too subtle a request to get you to stop doing that. I can be more direct if you like.
I know this is off
topic but I'm just following your lead since
Do you think it's right that the journalist writing about the Palins moved in next door to them?
I know this is off topic but I'm just following your lead since you continue to hijack my media thread.
Let me know if this is too subtle a request to get you to stop doing that. I can be more direct if you like.
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topic but I'm just following your lead since
SoWal Insider
the korean ship sinking is a non-starter
SoWal Insider
A leader is defined as one who can marshal all resources required to address a current crisis and do so in a minimal amount of time. Have a plan of action and implement it immediately. At the same time, conveying to the American people the who, what, when , where and why. Our president is woefully lacking as a leader.nice hit piece
The masterful article below is from The American Thinker. I love those guys over there.
Obama Fails the Test of Office
By J.R. Dunn
Over the past few weeks, we've been treated to a precise and detailed preview of what the rest of the Obama presidency will be like: a sky black with chickens coming home to roost and blaming George W. Bush.
Not even midway into the Obama presidency, we've been hit with two major crises and a scandal. Constituting the first serious challenges to confront this administration, they arrive quite belated, occurring eighteen months into Obama's first term. Obama has had plenty of time to prepare (recall that Bush was thrust into his moment of truth less than nine months after taking office). So how has he done?
The crises are, of course, the Deepwater Horizon blowout and the sinking of the South Korean warship Cheonan. (The Israeli maritime strike against Hamas has not yet blown up to crisis level, though the administration is doing its best to accomplish that.) The scandal is the Sestak affair, now promoted to the Sestak-Romanoff affair.
George W. Bush was condemned by everybody from the man in the street to Heaven's mighty seraphim due to the fact that federal aid did not arrive in New Orleans for three whole days after Hurricane Katrina struck. (This was -- and remains -- standard operating procedure for federal disaster assistance. It's hard to see how it could be otherwise -- but we'll skip that.) It has been six weeks since the Deepwater Horizon blowout. And what has the Obama administration accomplished in a time period fourteen times longer than that granted to Bush?
Well, we've seen Obama frowning. Obama sticking his fingers into the sand. Obama saying he's frustrated. Obama telling us a heartwarming story about his daughter. He even, according to spokesman Robert Gibbs, said "damn" at one point. (Though this has not yet been independently verified by a third party.)
That's it. That's the sum total of accomplishment by Barack Obama, his administration, his party, and his bureaucracy, in facing his first major domestic crisis.
The hardware and ancillary equipment necessary to deal with a seabed blowout is well understood. (This information has been nicely presented elsewhere, here in particular, but we'll repeat it because the exercise is so fulfilling to the soul.) Floating booms trap the oil and keep it from dispersing. Burn booms isolate floating oil and set it ablaze. Tankers can be equipped to sweep the oil off the ocean surface. Not a single one of these items was available to any of the parties responsible for responding to a potential disaster in the Gulf. Not BP, not the Interior Department, not the federal government as a whole. The feds tried to borrow a fire boom from a private party. To what purpose is difficult to surmise -- a single boom would be about as useful as a plastic bucket in a disaster of this magnitude. Much of the past month and a half has been spent playing catchup on the equipment front, and we have not yet seen the end of it.
(For a sense of perspective, in those three days when Bush was doing "nothing," the U.S. Army was moving entire units into Louisiana from as far away as Kentucky, the Coast Guard was rescuing from twenty to thirty thousand trapped flood victims, and FEMA was launching the mammoth logistical effort to move the materials necessary for recovery. So what did Bush do wrong again? Looked out a plane window, you say?)
It's actually far worse than it seems, since Obama's failures extend to well before the blowout ever occurred. His appointee to Interior, Ken Salazar, supposedly a new order of Green crusader, failed to provide any meaningful oversight to the agencies under his control, or even give them so much as a quick examination, as far as anyone has been able to tell. But this is easily topped by the pure idiocy of announcing a new effort on offshore drilling without close consultation with industry experts, which might have revealed that at least one company was cutting corners. So the big blowout is not only a failure, but it's a multidimensional failure occurring over a lengthy duration.
We came at last to the Jindal plan, the sole attempt on record by any government official to do anything at all to halt the encroaching oil slicks. Bobby Jindal wanted to build a series of berms along the Louisiana coast. He needed federal backing for this, since the plan was a big-ticket item, with some estimates reaching $360 million. So how did the administration of President Trillion-Dollar Deficit respond? Not at all, you'll be shocked to hear. The governor heard nothing from the feds for weeks as oil began to saturate the coastal wetlands. Then, far to the north, Sarah the Huntress raised her fearsome fingers to tweet a message south: Gov.Jindal: to avoid ravished coast, build the berms. Ask forgiveness later;Feds are slow to act, local leadership&action can do more for coast.
Only then did the administration at last break its silence to order British Petroleum to pay for five berms. Why this could not have happened a month ago is anybody's guess, as is the question as to why they did not agree to the sixteen berms that Jindal says are necessary.
The Deepwater Horizon disaster is a twofer: the worst environmental disaster on record matched with most incompetent response. And all on the watch of America's greenest president. Who'd have ever guessed?
But let's cut O a little slack. After all, as his supporters say, it's not as if nothing else was happening. There's no end of urgent matters to occupy the presidential time. What about Korea?
Okay, what about it? North Korea, the most rogue of rogue regimes, torpedoes a warship, the corvette Cheonan, at the cost of 46 lives, in the most blatant act of aggression since the armistice was signed in July 1953. And Obama's response was...
Nothing. It's as if nobody was sitting in the Oval Office. As far as anyone has been able to discern, there has been no consultation with Japan; no attempt to nudge China, the sole ally North Korea has; no gesture toward U.N. involvement, for what that would be worth; no realignment or reinforcement of military forces to pressure the North. The entire administration response is encompassed in a single remark from Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs: "We certainly don't want a conflict."
That's it. The most fraught encounter of the Cold War, a three-year clash costing 60,000 American lives, 650,000+ Chinese, and well over a million Koreans, looks as if it's about to explode once again, and what do we get from the U.S. government? "We don't want no trouble, Mr. Kim. I mean that. Just tell us what you want us to do." (The Pacific president then underlined his negligence by canceling a trip to the region for the second time.)
What do I think? I think that Kim, facing his impending death, is lashing out in the style of Tiberius. ("When I die, let fire the earth consume.") We'll be hearing more from north of the 38th parallel -- and I doubt it will wait until 2012.
Evidently, Joe Sestak doesn't exist, either.
Bill Clinton, that great, close friend of Obama, offered Sestak not a job, but a seat on some kind of intelligence council unknown to even the most experienced Washington media hands. A useless position, without even a salary, and one which, it turns out, Sestak wasn't even eligible for. This as the payoff for backing out of a viable senate campaign in one of the key mid-Atlantic states. That's what Mister I-did-not-have-sex-with-that-woman wants us to believe.
This is obviously a story cooked up to curtail further inquiries while legally covering everyone involved. It follows several months of complete silence apart from the customary runaround from Robert Gibbs. The fact that there must be more to it would not have escaped the attention of a small child, as long as that child was not employed by a major media outlet.
The story grew legs last week when it was revealed that Colorado senate candidate Andrew Romanoff was offered a choice of three positions by White House apparatchik Jim Messina if he too abandoned his campaign.
So now we have two identical potential felonies connected with the administration. Excitement on our side of the fence has reached a high pitch, with speculation concerning impeachment or a forced resignation. Is there anything to it?
Sad to say, probably not. The classic formulation concerning political scandals is that they work best the less you need to explain them. Watergate scarcely needed any explanation. A burglary of Democratic headquarters by shady operatives on behalf of a paranoid Richard Nixon? The story in all its ramifications told itself with no effort whatsoever. But this? Somebody in the White House -- nobody knows who -- wanted to give a guy a job. There's no resonance to this story; it opens no broad vistas of criminality and corruption. Push it too hard as it stands and it's likely to generate a blowback in favor of Obama as much as anything else. (Besides, it was Big Bill who offered the deal, and he's already been impeached once. It didn't even slow him down.)
All the same, Obama is repeating Nixon's mistake in trying to ignore the scandal out of existence. They called this "stonewalling" back in 1972. It works for a while, but not forever. If something else comes up, it could blow the whole thing wide open. Perhaps Darrell Issa will track down something interesting. We can hope.
There are three markers for dismal in modern American politics: Bush's Katrina effort for natural disasters (unfair, I know, but there it is), Jimmy Carter's inertia during the Iranian hostage crisis for foreign relations, and Richard Nixon's Watergate fiasco for internal scandals. As of this moment, Obama has matched all three, and, it can be argued, exceeded them in the case of Bush and Carter.
As for future crises, all planted, fertilized, watered, and ready to emerge, we have:
Israel -- the Hamas flotilla was simply a test to see how far they could go, much the same as the Cheonan sinking. There will be more to come.
Iran -- those nukes will be coming off the line soon enough. Praise Allah!
Russia -- perpetually on the alert to grab off whatever they can. O handled Georgia just swell, didn't he?
Collapse of the Euro -- not so much a possibility as a certainty. But hey, economics is O's major strength. We've got to admit that, haven't we?
Terror Strikes -- eventually the jihadis are going to run out of goofs and send somebody who can figure out how to light a fuse. Look out below!
The Border -- What border?
A Double Dip -- See "Collapse of the Euro," above.
...along with the inevitable unforeseen eventuality that always hits at the precise wrong moment.
Previous presidents have often grown in stature when trouble hits. FDR, Harry Truman, and Bush all manned up when confronted with unexpected and overwhelming crises, which is why we look back at them with affection and respect (yes, even FDR). Can anybody picture O doing the same? Well, Salvador Dal?, maybe, but I'm not him.
Obama got into office under false pretenses, a fact that has now become undeniable. He was omnicompetent, eminently intelligent, the man -- the god, according to some -- with all the answers. Now the lifeguard is at the deep end of the pool, over his head, and floundering, with the bath house on fire and alligators jumping into the children's end. It is our task as citizens (and I include those who voted for him) to assure that he doesn't pull the U.S., not to mention the rest of the world, down with him, while also somehow dealing with all those other challenges. This should keep us busy until 2012.
I take great comfort in Adam Smith's dictum: "Be assured that there is a great deal of ruin in a nation." This holds far more truth for the United States than for many other countries. Even today, with all that we've endured, we still have suffered only a few dents and scratches. The U.S. is tough; whatever comes, we'll get through it all right. In truth, much of our problem lies in the fact that we've become a bit spoiled -- as O's election demonstrates clearly enough. We need some of that kicked out of us by circumstances. When the Interregnum is over, we'll in better shape than we were when it began.
And I'll tell you something else: he'll crack before we do.
J.R. Dunn is consulting editor of American Thinker.
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SoWal Expert
I can't take any article seriously that thinks Palin tweeting has done more for the spill than Obama and his administration.
SoWal Insider
I'm not so sure Obama will go two terms anymore. When the polls indicate you're doing a worse job than Bush did in Katrina, you know your days in office are numbered.
Beach Lover
I do not agree with most of President Obama's policies. I did not vote for him and will not vote for him in the future.
His handling of the Korean incident, and the blocade by Israel has been lackluster at best. However I do not sit in on the daily situation reports that he gets and what he is doing out of the public eye. These two incidents must be handled correctly to avert either increased violence in the middle east or possibly a new Korean War. I will give him the benefit of a doubt on these two until we can look back and see what really happened.
The Deep Water Horizon is not the Presidents fault. BP is the company that is in charge of the drilling, BP is the company in charge of stopping the out of control gusher, BP is the company that is in charge of the cleanup. BP not the government has the people and equipment to work on and try to fix the problem at the well. To date BP's response has been woefully inadiquate but that does not mean that the approaches used to stop the flow of oil from the well site were not correct or appropriate. I do not know what is possible at the well site. The problem with BP's response is to the areas now inundated with oil and the sites that will soon be facing the impact of millions of gallons of oil hitting beaches, waterways, estuaries and other areas. The oil disaster is just beginning the ecological nightmare and financial disaster are just beginning and all of this can and should be laid at BP's doorstep. The President would like nothing better but to snap his fingers and fix the problem but that ability exceeds even the President of the United States. As to the berms in Luisiana that is government at its worst but if you believe that government jumps at crises you have never dealt with any government entity. President Bush took a huge hit when Katrina hit Luisianna most of that should have been handed down to the local level but to use that as a reason to blame President Obama for the Oil disaster is obsurd.
His handling of the Korean incident, and the blocade by Israel has been lackluster at best. However I do not sit in on the daily situation reports that he gets and what he is doing out of the public eye. These two incidents must be handled correctly to avert either increased violence in the middle east or possibly a new Korean War. I will give him the benefit of a doubt on these two until we can look back and see what really happened.
The Deep Water Horizon is not the Presidents fault. BP is the company that is in charge of the drilling, BP is the company in charge of stopping the out of control gusher, BP is the company that is in charge of the cleanup. BP not the government has the people and equipment to work on and try to fix the problem at the well. To date BP's response has been woefully inadiquate but that does not mean that the approaches used to stop the flow of oil from the well site were not correct or appropriate. I do not know what is possible at the well site. The problem with BP's response is to the areas now inundated with oil and the sites that will soon be facing the impact of millions of gallons of oil hitting beaches, waterways, estuaries and other areas. The oil disaster is just beginning the ecological nightmare and financial disaster are just beginning and all of this can and should be laid at BP's doorstep. The President would like nothing better but to snap his fingers and fix the problem but that ability exceeds even the President of the United States. As to the berms in Luisiana that is government at its worst but if you believe that government jumps at crises you have never dealt with any government entity. President Bush took a huge hit when Katrina hit Luisianna most of that should have been handed down to the local level but to use that as a reason to blame President Obama for the Oil disaster is obsurd.
Beach Fanatic
I guess Liz Cheney found Sowal.com :scratch:
Beach Fanatic
Interesting article. I think that the author assigns more credit and far less blame than I would to "W" or Jimmy. Seems like a credible assessment of O.
Beach Fanatic
Slightly off topic
Did they ever pass that law that let's Hawaii not have to respond to requests for Obama's birth certiicate?
I wonder how McCain would have responded to Katrina if he was in office. Sarahwind, how do you think the media would have treated McCain?
Did they ever pass that law that let's Hawaii not have to respond to requests for Obama's birth certiicate?
I wonder how McCain would have responded to Katrina if he was in office. Sarahwind, how do you think the media would have treated McCain?
SoWal Insider
Slightly off topic
Did they ever pass that law that let's Hawaii not have to respond to requests for Obama's birth certiicate?
I wonder how McCain would have responded to Katrina if he was in office. Sarahwind, how do you think the media would have treated McCain?
McCain and Bush were state autonomy advocates. If I remember correctly, the big hang up during Katrina with the federal military's involvement was getting state approval.
We currently have nation state proponents running congress and in the White House, so we should have gotten a much more robust federal response here. We didn't.
Asking how McCain would have handled this seems to me to be an attempt to deflect criticism away from our Dear Leader and his merry band of nation staters.
The question raised here, and IMHO other valid questions to ask are -why has Obama done such a lousy job thus far on this? Is this the fault of the federal government in general? What will Obama do to make sure this never happens again? and.. why are Obama apologists avoiding these important questions? :roll:
Beach Fanatic
I disagree with all premises set forth.
Barack Obama is a Nobel Prize winner. And John McCain never won one of those. Howard Stern gets better ratings than John McCain and Rush Limbaugh combined.
Instead of posting a link to a useless irrelevant article, I will now just paste it.
Howard Allen Stern (born January 12, 1954) is an American radio personality who has hosted The Howard Stern Show on Sirius XM, an uncensored satellite radio service, since 2006. He gained national recognition in the 1990s while on terrestrial airwaves, and is known as a "shock jock" for his outspoken and controversial shows. Stern is the highest-paid radio figure in the United States.[1] He is also the most fined,[2] following a history with the Federal Communications Commission over indecency from 1986 to 2005.
Stern wished for a radio career at the age of five. While attending Boston University in 1975, he co-hosted a comedy program at the campus station, WTBU. He made his professional debut at WNTN in Newton, Massachusetts that year. In 1977, he gained on-air and managerial experience for two years at WRNW in Briarcliff Manor, New York. He showed a more open personality throughout 1979 and 1980 in mornings at WCCC in Hartford, Connecticut and WWWW in Detroit. In 1981, he paired with his news reader Robin Quivers at WWDC in Washington, D.C. to host the morning shift. In the following year, Stern worked afternoons at WNBC in New York City, where differences with management led to his firing in 1985. He was rehired at WXRK for the next 20 years before leaving for Sirius in 2005. During this time, Stern would attract a peak audience of around 20 million across 60 markets in the United States and Canada.
Stern describes himself as the "King of All Media" for his successes outside radio. Since 1987, his television career has included several late night shows and pay-per-view specials. He is the author of Private Parts (1993) and Miss America (1995), which spent a combined 36 weeks on The New York Times Best Seller list.[3] The former was made into a biographical comedy film in 1997, starring Stern and some of his radio show staff as themselves. The film grossed over $41 million in the United States alone.
Early life and education
Howard Stern was born on January 12, 1954, in New York City, to a Jewish American family (his Hebrew name is "Tzvi").[4][5] His parents Ben and Ray (n?e Schiffman) are children of Austro-Hungarian immigrants. Ellen, his elder sister of four years, is described by Stern as "completely opposite" though they maintain a good relationship.[6] Five months after Stern's birth, the family moved to the suburban area of Roosevelt on Long Island.[7]
Stern's interest in radio began when he was five years old.[8] While Ray was a homemaker for most of his childhood,[9][10] Ben was a co-owner of Aura Recording, Inc., a recording studio in Manhattan where cartoons and commercials were produced. When he would occasionally work with his father, Stern met the likes of Wally Cox, Don Adams and Larry Storch who were the voices of his favourite cartoon characters.[11] Such visits influenced him to be on the radio to talk, rather than play records. Ben was also an engineer at WHOM, an AM radio station in Manhattan,[12] where its FM sister station became WXRK in 1985. Stern would broadcast for over 20 years in his career at the station.
Stern attended Washington Rose Elementary School until the end of sixth grade,[13] followed by Roosevelt Junior-Senior High School, where at the end of the 1968-69 academic year more than three-quarters of Roosevelt's four-thousand school children were African American.[14] Stern later published his experiences, describing the abuse and beatings he received from black students.[15] In June 1969, the family moved to nearby Rockville Centre, where Stern transferred to South Side High School and graduated in the spring of 1972.
Having turned down an acceptance at Elmira College in upstate New York, Stern attended Boston University in the fall 1972 for its reputation in broadcast communications.[16] He spent the first two years at the College of Basic Studies. In 1973, he read the news, spun records and hosted interviews at the campus radio station, WTBU.[17] Stern also put on a comedy show with three elder students called the King Schmaltz Bagel Hour.[18] The four were fired during the first broadcast for a sketch called "Godzilla Goes to Harlem", though it continued for a further nine weeks after being reinstated.[16] In the fall of 1974, Stern gained admission to the School of Public Communications;[16] earning a first class FCC license the following July.[19] He gained professional experience as a newscaster, producer and air personality at WNTN in Newton, Massachusetts from August to December 1975.[20][21] He graduated magna cum laude in May 1976 with a bachelor's degree, carrying a 3.8 Grade Point Average,[18][17] and now funds a scholarship at the university.[22]
[edit] Career
See also: The Howard Stern Show, Howard Stern television shows, and Howard Stern videography and discography
[edit] Early professional radio career (1977–1981)
Among the radio stations Stern contacted after graduating was WRNW, a progressive rock station in the small village of Briarcliff Manor in Westchester County, New York. The general manager praised his audition tape, but Stern rejected offers to work. He became unsure of his potential, and questioned his future in the industry. He then took a marketing position at Benton & Bowles, a New York advertising agency, followed by a job in radio advertising.[17] Stern was contacted by the station a second time, agreeing to work a shift on December 25, 1976.[21] He was hired full-time on May 12, 1977,[23] working a six-day midday shift for four hours, for USD$96 a week before taxes.[21] While retaining his air shift, Stern became the station's program director that November, for an increased salary of $12,000.[20][24] Steering the station towards soft rock, Stern aimed for a definite sound. "We want people to turn on and know right away, 'that's WRNW, that's my station, I like it'", he told The New York Times in 1978.[24]
In early 1979, Stern spotted an advertisement in Radio & Records for a "wild, fun morning guy" at WCCC, a rock station in Hartford, Connecticut.[25] He showcased a more confident audition tape, performing flatulence routines, one-liners and played records by Robert Klein and Cheech and Chong. He was hired in the spring with no change in salary, but a busier schedule. After a four-hour air shift, he voiced and produced commercials for another four. On Saturdays, after six hours on the air, he did production work for the next three. As the public affairs director, he hosted a talk show on Sunday mornings without music, which he favoured.[25] In the summer of the 1979 energy crisis, Stern began a two-day boycott of Shell Oil Company. The station backed Stern, and the two made national news.[25] Fred Norris, the overnight disc jockey at the time, went on to be Stern's show producer and writer as of 1981. In the Arbitron ratings survey covering October–November 1979, an increase in Stern's listeners (to a 3.2% share of the listening audience) help pull WCCC ahead of rival station WHCN.[26] In March 1980, Stern left the station after being denied a $25 weekly increase in pay.[25][27]
Stern's audition tape for a morning spot at WWWW, a rock station in Detroit, Michigan, was well-received by management. Accepting a $30,000 salary, Stern made his d?but on April 21, 1980.[28][18] Stern improved his confidence, learning to become more open on the air. "I decided to cut down the barriers ... strip down all the ego ... and be totally honest", he later told Newsday.[29] He began getting noticed in the industry, having won a Billboard Award for "Album-Oriented Rock Personality of the Year For a Major Market",[30] the Drake-Chenault "Top Five Talent Search"[31] and a Michigan Rock Award for "Announcer of the Year".[32] The station however, was losing popularity to strengthening competition. Arbitron figures released in January 1981 showed WLLZ, the city's fourth rock station that emerged in August, shot to a 4.6% market share, while Stern slipped from 3% to 1.6%.[29] On January 18, 1981, WWWW switched to a more successful country music format. Much to Stern's dislike, he left the station soon after.
Barack Obama is a Nobel Prize winner. And John McCain never won one of those. Howard Stern gets better ratings than John McCain and Rush Limbaugh combined.
Instead of posting a link to a useless irrelevant article, I will now just paste it.
Howard Allen Stern (born January 12, 1954) is an American radio personality who has hosted The Howard Stern Show on Sirius XM, an uncensored satellite radio service, since 2006. He gained national recognition in the 1990s while on terrestrial airwaves, and is known as a "shock jock" for his outspoken and controversial shows. Stern is the highest-paid radio figure in the United States.[1] He is also the most fined,[2] following a history with the Federal Communications Commission over indecency from 1986 to 2005.
Stern wished for a radio career at the age of five. While attending Boston University in 1975, he co-hosted a comedy program at the campus station, WTBU. He made his professional debut at WNTN in Newton, Massachusetts that year. In 1977, he gained on-air and managerial experience for two years at WRNW in Briarcliff Manor, New York. He showed a more open personality throughout 1979 and 1980 in mornings at WCCC in Hartford, Connecticut and WWWW in Detroit. In 1981, he paired with his news reader Robin Quivers at WWDC in Washington, D.C. to host the morning shift. In the following year, Stern worked afternoons at WNBC in New York City, where differences with management led to his firing in 1985. He was rehired at WXRK for the next 20 years before leaving for Sirius in 2005. During this time, Stern would attract a peak audience of around 20 million across 60 markets in the United States and Canada.
Stern describes himself as the "King of All Media" for his successes outside radio. Since 1987, his television career has included several late night shows and pay-per-view specials. He is the author of Private Parts (1993) and Miss America (1995), which spent a combined 36 weeks on The New York Times Best Seller list.[3] The former was made into a biographical comedy film in 1997, starring Stern and some of his radio show staff as themselves. The film grossed over $41 million in the United States alone.
Early life and education
Howard Stern was born on January 12, 1954, in New York City, to a Jewish American family (his Hebrew name is "Tzvi").[4][5] His parents Ben and Ray (n?e Schiffman) are children of Austro-Hungarian immigrants. Ellen, his elder sister of four years, is described by Stern as "completely opposite" though they maintain a good relationship.[6] Five months after Stern's birth, the family moved to the suburban area of Roosevelt on Long Island.[7]
Stern's interest in radio began when he was five years old.[8] While Ray was a homemaker for most of his childhood,[9][10] Ben was a co-owner of Aura Recording, Inc., a recording studio in Manhattan where cartoons and commercials were produced. When he would occasionally work with his father, Stern met the likes of Wally Cox, Don Adams and Larry Storch who were the voices of his favourite cartoon characters.[11] Such visits influenced him to be on the radio to talk, rather than play records. Ben was also an engineer at WHOM, an AM radio station in Manhattan,[12] where its FM sister station became WXRK in 1985. Stern would broadcast for over 20 years in his career at the station.
Stern attended Washington Rose Elementary School until the end of sixth grade,[13] followed by Roosevelt Junior-Senior High School, where at the end of the 1968-69 academic year more than three-quarters of Roosevelt's four-thousand school children were African American.[14] Stern later published his experiences, describing the abuse and beatings he received from black students.[15] In June 1969, the family moved to nearby Rockville Centre, where Stern transferred to South Side High School and graduated in the spring of 1972.
Having turned down an acceptance at Elmira College in upstate New York, Stern attended Boston University in the fall 1972 for its reputation in broadcast communications.[16] He spent the first two years at the College of Basic Studies. In 1973, he read the news, spun records and hosted interviews at the campus radio station, WTBU.[17] Stern also put on a comedy show with three elder students called the King Schmaltz Bagel Hour.[18] The four were fired during the first broadcast for a sketch called "Godzilla Goes to Harlem", though it continued for a further nine weeks after being reinstated.[16] In the fall of 1974, Stern gained admission to the School of Public Communications;[16] earning a first class FCC license the following July.[19] He gained professional experience as a newscaster, producer and air personality at WNTN in Newton, Massachusetts from August to December 1975.[20][21] He graduated magna cum laude in May 1976 with a bachelor's degree, carrying a 3.8 Grade Point Average,[18][17] and now funds a scholarship at the university.[22]
[edit] Career
See also: The Howard Stern Show, Howard Stern television shows, and Howard Stern videography and discography
[edit] Early professional radio career (1977–1981)
Among the radio stations Stern contacted after graduating was WRNW, a progressive rock station in the small village of Briarcliff Manor in Westchester County, New York. The general manager praised his audition tape, but Stern rejected offers to work. He became unsure of his potential, and questioned his future in the industry. He then took a marketing position at Benton & Bowles, a New York advertising agency, followed by a job in radio advertising.[17] Stern was contacted by the station a second time, agreeing to work a shift on December 25, 1976.[21] He was hired full-time on May 12, 1977,[23] working a six-day midday shift for four hours, for USD$96 a week before taxes.[21] While retaining his air shift, Stern became the station's program director that November, for an increased salary of $12,000.[20][24] Steering the station towards soft rock, Stern aimed for a definite sound. "We want people to turn on and know right away, 'that's WRNW, that's my station, I like it'", he told The New York Times in 1978.[24]
In early 1979, Stern spotted an advertisement in Radio & Records for a "wild, fun morning guy" at WCCC, a rock station in Hartford, Connecticut.[25] He showcased a more confident audition tape, performing flatulence routines, one-liners and played records by Robert Klein and Cheech and Chong. He was hired in the spring with no change in salary, but a busier schedule. After a four-hour air shift, he voiced and produced commercials for another four. On Saturdays, after six hours on the air, he did production work for the next three. As the public affairs director, he hosted a talk show on Sunday mornings without music, which he favoured.[25] In the summer of the 1979 energy crisis, Stern began a two-day boycott of Shell Oil Company. The station backed Stern, and the two made national news.[25] Fred Norris, the overnight disc jockey at the time, went on to be Stern's show producer and writer as of 1981. In the Arbitron ratings survey covering October–November 1979, an increase in Stern's listeners (to a 3.2% share of the listening audience) help pull WCCC ahead of rival station WHCN.[26] In March 1980, Stern left the station after being denied a $25 weekly increase in pay.[25][27]
Stern's audition tape for a morning spot at WWWW, a rock station in Detroit, Michigan, was well-received by management. Accepting a $30,000 salary, Stern made his d?but on April 21, 1980.[28][18] Stern improved his confidence, learning to become more open on the air. "I decided to cut down the barriers ... strip down all the ego ... and be totally honest", he later told Newsday.[29] He began getting noticed in the industry, having won a Billboard Award for "Album-Oriented Rock Personality of the Year For a Major Market",[30] the Drake-Chenault "Top Five Talent Search"[31] and a Michigan Rock Award for "Announcer of the Year".[32] The station however, was losing popularity to strengthening competition. Arbitron figures released in January 1981 showed WLLZ, the city's fourth rock station that emerged in August, shot to a 4.6% market share, while Stern slipped from 3% to 1.6%.[29] On January 18, 1981, WWWW switched to a more successful country music format. Much to Stern's dislike, he left the station soon after.
Beach FanaticAuthor
What do you think about the media coverage of Obama's handling of the spill? Do you believe the media is treating him better, worse or the same as Bush was after Katrina?This is a new thread, separate from the one you started.
Do you think it's right that the journalist writing about the Palins moved in next door to them?
I know this is off topic but I'm just following your lead since you continue to hijack my media thread.
Let me know if this is too subtle a request to get you to stop doing that. I can be more direct if you like.
I know this is off
topic but I'm just following your lead since
Since you asked, I think the media has been giving President Obama a pass unlike the hue and cry during Katrina. That may not continue with the new poll out today taken by the Washington Post that has 69 percent of Americans rating the governments response negatively as compared to 62 negative rating for Katrina.
BP gets a much worse negative response. 81 % view it negatively. You can read the entire poll data here: Poll: BP Oil Spill Rated Worse Than Hurricane Katrina; Most Americans Favor Pursuit of Criminal Charges According to ABC News and Washington Post Poll - ABC News
Beach FanaticAuthor
Geo, this current article is from 2010. Rush is numero uno and Howard Stern is 32nd.
Rush Limbaugh tops talk radio rankings as usual, Glenn Beck moves up
1:58 pm March 3, 2010, by Rodney Ho
For the fourth year in a row, Rush Limbaugh is the most influential radio talk show host, according to Talkers magazine.
Limbaugh draws at least 15 million listeners a week. He remains the top-rated show on 640/WGST-AM. He’s had a field day going after Pres. Obama and the Democrats this past year. And he continues to be influential without the benefit of Fox News, which has fueled the growth of No. 2 host Sean Hannity (14 million weekly radio fans and two to three million viewers per night on Fox News) and No. 3 host Glenn Beck (9 million-plus listeners on radio and two to three million viewers per night on Fox News).
Beck’s influence has grown exponentially just in the year he’s been on Fox News and Talkers moved him up to No. 3 from No. 5 as a result.
This is not a scientific survey or poll. The magazine used the following criteria: courage, effort, impact, longevity, potential, ratings, recognition, revenue, service, talent and uniqueness.
Four Georgia-based talk show hosts made the Top 100: WSB-AM’s Neal Boortz, Clark Howard and Allen Hunt and Athens talk-show host Martha Zoller.
Conservative-leaning Libertarian Boortz, whose ratings on WSB from 8:30 a.m. to 1 p.m. in Atlanta have slipped the past year, edged up to No. 13 after falling from 9 to 10 to 14 the previous three years.
Consumer expert Howard, heard after Boortz on WSB from 1 to 4 p.m., slipped to 28 from 27, 30 and 27 the prior three years despite having a solid year in terms of affiliate growth.
Former pastor Allen Hunt, who recently started a national weekday show but continues to operate locally on weekends on WSB-AM, debuted at No. 41 last year and moves up to 37.
Martha Zoller, who moved from WDUN-AM to WXKT-FM a few months ago in the Athens area, is a regular on various cable news shows. She debuted last year at No. 91 and moves up to 89.
Michael Savage, heard from 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. on WSB-AM, is ranked No. 4, down from 3.
Dr. Laura Schlessinger, on from 1 to 3 p.m. on 1160/WCFO-AM in Atlanta, falls a slot to No. 5.
She’s not to be confused with Laura Ingraham, who is also on WCFO-AM from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. The conservative talker holds at No. 6.
Dave Ramsey, the consumer/money management advocate, now has a show on Fox Business and holds at No. 7 after climbing from 12 in 2008 and 21 in 2007.
Growing conservative talker Mark Levin, at No. 8, is now the evening syndicated host on 640/WGST from 7 to 11 p.m.
Lou Dobbs, the crusty independent who lost his CNN show last year but continues to do a radio show, slips from 8 to 9. He’s heard from 7 to 9 p.m. on WCFO in Atlanta.
At No. 10 is the top liberal talker Thom Hartmann. He’s not heard locally.
Mancow, heard on WCFO from 3 to 7 p.m. is ranked No. 14, down from No. 9. Legal expert Bill Handel, heard on weekends on WSB-AM, is at No. 18.
Mike Gallagher, on air from 8 to noon on 920/WGKA-AM, is No. 19, down from 15 in 2009 and 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007.
Don Imus, on mornings on WCFO, keeps falling, from 7 to 20 to 21. Michael Medved, heard from 3 to 6 p.m. on WGKA, falls to 23 from 21 and 20 the past two years. WGKA morning host Bill Bennett holds at No. 25 for the fourth year in a row. Howard Stern, who presides over at Sirius XM, holds at 32. When he was on FM radio in 2006, he ranked No. 1. (Bubba the Love Sponge, who is on Sirius XM and FM, is at No. 45)
Weekend tech gal Kim Komando, heard locally on WSB-AM, is at No. 39, down from 24 in 2007, 36 in 2008 and 37 in 2009. Dennis Prager, heard from noon to 3 on WGKA, is at No. 40. Hugh Hewitt, on at 6 to 9 p.m. on WGKA, is at No. 67, up from 71.
Terry Gross, host of “Fresh Air” and heard at 7 p.m. weekdays on WABE-FM, is ranked No. 70.
Talkers also lists 150 other radio personalities in a miscellaneous 101-250 list. Most are not heard here. The only Atlanta-based crew to make it is the 2 Live Stews, heard from 1 to 4 p.m. on 790/The Zone and syndicated on Sporting News Radio. Syndicated Colin Cowherd, heard on 680/The Fan from 10 to noon weekdays, is also included.
Syndicated morning hosts Tom Joyner (Kiss 104.1) Steve Harvey (Majic) and Rickey Smiley (Hot) are more entertainers than talk show hosts so they are not on the list. Syndicated Rev. Al Sharpton and Warren Ballentine on WAOK-AM get no love either.
Rush Limbaugh tops talk radio rankings as usual, Glenn Beck moves up
1:58 pm March 3, 2010, by Rodney Ho
For the fourth year in a row, Rush Limbaugh is the most influential radio talk show host, according to Talkers magazine.
Limbaugh draws at least 15 million listeners a week. He remains the top-rated show on 640/WGST-AM. He’s had a field day going after Pres. Obama and the Democrats this past year. And he continues to be influential without the benefit of Fox News, which has fueled the growth of No. 2 host Sean Hannity (14 million weekly radio fans and two to three million viewers per night on Fox News) and No. 3 host Glenn Beck (9 million-plus listeners on radio and two to three million viewers per night on Fox News).
Beck’s influence has grown exponentially just in the year he’s been on Fox News and Talkers moved him up to No. 3 from No. 5 as a result.
This is not a scientific survey or poll. The magazine used the following criteria: courage, effort, impact, longevity, potential, ratings, recognition, revenue, service, talent and uniqueness.
Four Georgia-based talk show hosts made the Top 100: WSB-AM’s Neal Boortz, Clark Howard and Allen Hunt and Athens talk-show host Martha Zoller.
Conservative-leaning Libertarian Boortz, whose ratings on WSB from 8:30 a.m. to 1 p.m. in Atlanta have slipped the past year, edged up to No. 13 after falling from 9 to 10 to 14 the previous three years.
Consumer expert Howard, heard after Boortz on WSB from 1 to 4 p.m., slipped to 28 from 27, 30 and 27 the prior three years despite having a solid year in terms of affiliate growth.
Former pastor Allen Hunt, who recently started a national weekday show but continues to operate locally on weekends on WSB-AM, debuted at No. 41 last year and moves up to 37.
Martha Zoller, who moved from WDUN-AM to WXKT-FM a few months ago in the Athens area, is a regular on various cable news shows. She debuted last year at No. 91 and moves up to 89.
Michael Savage, heard from 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. on WSB-AM, is ranked No. 4, down from 3.
Dr. Laura Schlessinger, on from 1 to 3 p.m. on 1160/WCFO-AM in Atlanta, falls a slot to No. 5.
She’s not to be confused with Laura Ingraham, who is also on WCFO-AM from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. The conservative talker holds at No. 6.
Dave Ramsey, the consumer/money management advocate, now has a show on Fox Business and holds at No. 7 after climbing from 12 in 2008 and 21 in 2007.
Growing conservative talker Mark Levin, at No. 8, is now the evening syndicated host on 640/WGST from 7 to 11 p.m.
Lou Dobbs, the crusty independent who lost his CNN show last year but continues to do a radio show, slips from 8 to 9. He’s heard from 7 to 9 p.m. on WCFO in Atlanta.
At No. 10 is the top liberal talker Thom Hartmann. He’s not heard locally.
Mancow, heard on WCFO from 3 to 7 p.m. is ranked No. 14, down from No. 9. Legal expert Bill Handel, heard on weekends on WSB-AM, is at No. 18.
Mike Gallagher, on air from 8 to noon on 920/WGKA-AM, is No. 19, down from 15 in 2009 and 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007.
Don Imus, on mornings on WCFO, keeps falling, from 7 to 20 to 21. Michael Medved, heard from 3 to 6 p.m. on WGKA, falls to 23 from 21 and 20 the past two years. WGKA morning host Bill Bennett holds at No. 25 for the fourth year in a row. Howard Stern, who presides over at Sirius XM, holds at 32. When he was on FM radio in 2006, he ranked No. 1. (Bubba the Love Sponge, who is on Sirius XM and FM, is at No. 45)
Weekend tech gal Kim Komando, heard locally on WSB-AM, is at No. 39, down from 24 in 2007, 36 in 2008 and 37 in 2009. Dennis Prager, heard from noon to 3 on WGKA, is at No. 40. Hugh Hewitt, on at 6 to 9 p.m. on WGKA, is at No. 67, up from 71.
Terry Gross, host of “Fresh Air” and heard at 7 p.m. weekdays on WABE-FM, is ranked No. 70.
Talkers also lists 150 other radio personalities in a miscellaneous 101-250 list. Most are not heard here. The only Atlanta-based crew to make it is the 2 Live Stews, heard from 1 to 4 p.m. on 790/The Zone and syndicated on Sporting News Radio. Syndicated Colin Cowherd, heard on 680/The Fan from 10 to noon weekdays, is also included.
Syndicated morning hosts Tom Joyner (Kiss 104.1) Steve Harvey (Majic) and Rickey Smiley (Hot) are more entertainers than talk show hosts so they are not on the list. Syndicated Rev. Al Sharpton and Warren Ballentine on WAOK-AM get no love either.
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My bad, Geo. That was talk radio in Georgia. Here's the link I meant to post. By the way, Rush is number one nation wide on this ratings list, too. Please, enough about Rush.
The Top Talk Radio Audiences (Updated 3/10) | TALKERS magazine
The Top Talk Radio Audiences (Updated 3/10) | TALKERS magazine
Beach Lover
I don't know why Obama just doesn't put on his superman suit, dive 5k feet in the ocean, another 13k feet down, plug the damn thing.
Then get on one of the relief well rigs and state "mission accomplished".
The reality of this all really sucks, come on America there is more greed to be had. More sand to darken, more wildlife and marine life waiting to gasp for air. Those of you that are concerned about the politics in this disaster are lost in life.
I just love how Obama is being pressed to let deep oil drilling continue ASAP.
Then get on one of the relief well rigs and state "mission accomplished".
The reality of this all really sucks, come on America there is more greed to be had. More sand to darken, more wildlife and marine life waiting to gasp for air. Those of you that are concerned about the politics in this disaster are lost in life.
I just love how Obama is being pressed to let deep oil drilling continue ASAP.
Beach Fanatic
This is a new thread, separate from the one you started.
Please, enough about Rush.
Wait, I'm confused. You mean there are separate threads where we can discuss separate topics and you don't like me hijacking your thread with irrelevant nonsense?
Beach FanaticAuthor
Wait, I'm confused. You mean there are separate threads where we can discuss separate topics and you don't like me hijacking your thread with irrelevant nonsense?
Happy to have you!
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I don't know why Obama just doesn't put on his superman suit, dive 5k feet in the ocean, another 13k feet down, plug the damn thing.
Then get on one of the relief well rigs and state "mission accomplished".
The reality of this all really sucks, come on America there is more greed to be had. More sand to darken, more wildlife and marine life waiting to gasp for air. Those of you that are concerned about the politics in this disaster are lost in life.
I just love how Obama is being pressed to let deep oil drilling continue ASAP.
This is about politics. Go to CNN, FOX online , in the newspapers and under their headings, Politics, is where all the oil articles are located.
Where is Jack Bauer when we need him!?! He could stop the gusher.
SoWal Insider
I don't know why Obama just doesn't put on his superman suit, dive 5k feet in the ocean, another 13k feet down, plug the damn thing.
Then get on one of the relief well rigs and state "mission accomplished".
Exactly! I mean, the guy flies unicorns and slides down rainbows, why can't he fix a darn leaking pipe?
:dothewave:
SoWal Insider
Exactly! I mean, the guy flies unicorns and slides down rainbows, why can't he fix a darn leaking pipe?
:dothewave:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at all those flags behind him. He must be a real American :roll:
SoWal Insider
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at all those flags behind him. He must be a real American :roll:
That's the Hall of Justice. Seems though it must have been a formal affair, he went with a suit instead of his cape!
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SoWal Insider
Partial list of crisis that Obama inherited: The most devastating economic meltdown in US and, possibly, world history,with unemployment bordering on 10%; a dysfunctional mortgage industry; a deficit of biblical porportions; two extremely complex and incredibly costly wars (with no end in sight);a festering health care crisis; the Israeli/Palestinian crisis; a maniacal North Korean dictator calling for all out war; a maniacal Iranian president calling for the destruction of Israel and vowing to obtain nuclear weapons...
I guess you get the point. I am extremely dissapointed, in hindsight, that he did not follow up on the house-cleaning at MMS, but he has had enough problems out in plain sight that you have to cut him some slack that he didn't go looking for it under every rock in the Federal Beauracracy. I'm wondering just exactly what you Obama-bashers want him to do. If you have a solution, here's a dime, go call the White House. If not, shut the fug up.
I guess you get the point. I am extremely dissapointed, in hindsight, that he did not follow up on the house-cleaning at MMS, but he has had enough problems out in plain sight that you have to cut him some slack that he didn't go looking for it under every rock in the Federal Beauracracy. I'm wondering just exactly what you Obama-bashers want him to do. If you have a solution, here's a dime, go call the White House. If not, shut the fug up.
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SoWal Insider
That's the Hall of Justice. Seems though it must have been a formal affair, he went with a suit instead of his cape!
I think Reagan was borrowing the cape.
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Beach Fanatic
>>>FDR, Harry Truman, and Bush all manned up when confronted with unexpected and overwhelming crises, which is why we look back at them with affection and respect. <<<<
Uhh, Sally, for the record.
Japan attacked Hawaii and FDR went to war with Japan.
Some folks in Afghanistan attacked us and Bush went to war with Iraq.
I thought we cleared this up a few years ago.
By your logic, FDR should have invaded...Mexico?
Uhh, Sally, for the record.
Japan attacked Hawaii and FDR went to war with Japan.
Some folks in Afghanistan attacked us and Bush went to war with Iraq.
I thought we cleared this up a few years ago.
By your logic, FDR should have invaded...Mexico?
SoWal Insider
Partial list of crisis that Obama inherited: The most devastating economic meltdown in US and, possibly, world history,with unemployment bordering on 10%; a dysfunctional mortgage industry; a deficit of biblical porportions; two extremely complex and incredibly costly wars (with no end in sight);a festering health care crisis; the Israeli/Palestinian crisis; a maniacal North Korean dictator calling for all out war; a maniacal Iranian president calling for the destruction of Israel and vowing to obtain nuclear weapons...
I guess you get the point. I am extremely dissapointed, in hindsight, that he did not follow up on the house-cleaning at MMS, but he has had enough problems out in plain sight that you have to cut him some slack that he didn't go looking for it under every rock in the Federal Beauracracy. I'm wondering just exactly what you Obama-bashers want him to do. If you have a solution, here's a dime, go call the White House. If not, shut the fug up.
Obama supporters, they are a getting a lil' agitat'd these days!
I wonder why? "Na sayers, just shut up already!" You described the job of President of The United States. If your man can't handle the job, get him to step down so someone more capable can step up. ;-)
All sillyness aside, Obama has handled this rather poorly. I don't think anyone can argue against that. Obama's record is still being written, but right now it's not looking very good. He's got a couple more years to turn things around, and his policies and leadership are still being tested. My feeling currently is he will not go down of one of our greater presidents. Time will tell. If he fails, he'll be handing most of the problems you listed down to his successor, who will probably be a republican. Won't that be interesting! Some of the problems will even be worse, like the deficit!
Until then, I sure as heck won't shut up about it though! If you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen!
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