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May just be Senator Charlie in November

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Gov. Crist Seeks Permanent Drilling Ban | TheLedger.com
Gov. Charlie Crist wants a permanent ban on near-shore oil drilling off the coast of Florida, not just a temporary fix.

We need an elected official that will stand up to the greed of the oil companies IMO...Gov Crist may be the one who can break the logjam of special interests and partisan "no"...my best sources tell me if he wins in November, he will caucus with the Democrats, so maybe he can spearhead a movement for the moderates in both parties...

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Bob avatar
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#2
drill rubio drill
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#3
This should be an incredibly fun mid-term. I've never seen so many critical races with polls neck and neck. The battle for control of the senate looks to be determined by about three races. If Crist is considering caucusing with the democrats, that would make our race one of the critical senate races as well.

I'm not sure who I will vote for yet. I'd like to vote libertarian, if there's a respectible candidate. But if Rubio and Crist are neck and neck, I'll have to go with Rubio. Seeing the dems lose the senate would be priceless. :biggrin:

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jack S avatar
Beach Lover
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Any person who would vote for any one of the many legislators who voted to drill, cares more about their money than their children or grandchildren. There is no excuse for that greed. It is a shame there is not a seperate planet for the drill crowd to destroy, but they are wrecking our only planet. There is no issue bigger than this. debate it all you want. If you vote for drillers you are a greedy, selfish person!

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Bob avatar
SoWal Insider
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jack s!
aTmMom avatar
Beach Lover
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Any person who would vote for any one of the many legislators who voted to drill, cares more about their money than their children or grandchildren. There is no excuse for that greed. It is a shame there is not a seperate planet for the drill crowd to destroy, but they are wrecking our only planet. There is no issue bigger than this. debate it all you want. If you vote for drillers you are a greedy, selfish person!

I will respect your opinion if you tell me you have given up driving your car, using your heating/ac, removed all plastics from your home and I think you are going to have to give up your computer too. And, there are many other things that we use everyday that require petroleum. You see the petroleum you hate so much is vital to our everyday life, you can't have it both ways...oh wait you can, if you don't mind being a hypocrite. You want to blame someone for the gulf disaster, blame the enviromentalist, who pushed drilling way offshore and who closed down Anwar. Do you really want the job loss and the total crippling of the economy that will come from the total ban on drilling, not to mention being totally dependant on foreign oil? You are right about one thing there is no issue bigger than this!
Beach FanaticAuthor
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I will respect your opinion if you tell me you have given up driving your car, using your heating/ac, removed all plastics from your home and I think you are going to have to give up your computer too. And, there are many other things that we use everyday that require petroleum. You see the petroleum you hate so much is vital to our everyday life, you can't have it both ways...oh wait you can, if you don't mind being a hypocrite. You want to blame someone for the gulf disaster, blame the enviromentalist, who pushed drilling way offshore and who closed down Anwar. Do you really want the job loss and the total crippling of the economy that will come from the total ban on drilling, not to mention being totally dependant on foreign oil? You are right about one thing there is no issue bigger than this!

If that oil keeps gushing the way it is, there won't be any economy to have a job in...

we need to hold corporations and elected officials accountable for the health, safety and welfare of the public; we need to care for the earth in an appropriate way; and it would help if we used our American vision and ingenuity to come up with a clean source of energy.

Icing on the cake would be ,if instead of finding someone to stereotype and blame, we would all work together for a better world.:bang:
aTmMom avatar
Beach Lover
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If that oil keeps gushing the way it is, there won't be any economy to have a job in...

we need to hold corporations and elected officials accountable for the health, safety and welfare of the public; we need to care for the earth in an appropriate way; and it would help if we used our American vision and ingenuity to come up with a clean source of energy.

Icing on the cake would be ,if instead of finding someone to stereotype and blame, we would all work together for a better world.:bang:

I am all for finding alternative sources of energy, but you can't just stop drilling and exploration until it is invented and or discovered. Banning won't just hurt fishing and tourism (the ones most affected by the oil spill), it will touch every industry, eventually. :bang::bang:
Bob avatar
SoWal Insider
#9
I will respect your opinion if you tell me you have given up driving your car, using your heating/ac, removed all plastics from your home and I think you are going to have to give up your computer too. And, there are many other things that we use everyday that require petroleum. You see the petroleum you hate so much is vital to our everyday life, you can't have it both ways...oh wait you can, if you don't mind being a hypocrite. You want to blame someone for the gulf disaster, blame the enviromentalist, who pushed drilling way offshore and who closed down Anwar. Do you really want the job loss and the total crippling of the economy that will come from the total ban on drilling, not to mention being totally dependant on foreign oil? You are right about one thing there is no issue bigger than this!
blame the environmentalist!
aTmMom avatar
Beach Lover
#10
blame the environmentalist!

Oh I do!
Bob avatar
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Oh I do!
you should, the environmentalists want your suv!
LuciferSam avatar
Banned
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you should, the environmentalists want your suv!

Blame Texas.
Jdarg avatar
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This should be an incredibly fun mid-term. I've never seen so many critical races with polls neck and neck. The battle for control of the senate looks to be determined by about three races. If Crist is considering caucusing with the democrats, that would make our race one of the critical senate races as well.

I'm not sure who I will vote for yet. I'd like to vote libertarian, if there's a respectible candidate. But if Rubio and Crist are neck and neck, I'll have to go with Rubio. Seeing the dems lose the senate would be priceless. :biggrin:


Then thank you for your vote for a guy who might as well vote to flush the Gulf down the toilet. I thought you lived here. On the Panhandle. Maybe I was wrong? You are one of the few conservative posters on this board that I perceive has a brain and some sense, at least in considering the issues that directly affect us as Gulf coast residents. Rubio, really?
Rita avatar
margarita brocolia
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Oh I do!
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I suppose deep water drilling has nothing to do with the fact that the amount of oil reserves there make it quite lucrative? and new technologies have made it more possible? Especially if an oil company is so greedy that it cuts all the corners it can to save money?

They go where the resources are - no?

BP's discovery of a giant oil field in the deep waters of the Gulf made that area "probably the most promising area in United States-controlled territory."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/business/global/03oil.html?_r=1


We have needed to focus on clean, alternatives for years and haven?t. WE COULD HAVE. We still can and must.


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aTmMom avatar
Beach Lover
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I suppose deep water drilling has nothing to do with the fact that the amount of oil reserves there make it quite lucrative? and new technologies have made it more possible? Especially if an oil company is so greedy that it cuts all the corners it can to save money?

They go where the resources are - no?

BP's discovery of a giant oil field in the deep waters of the Gulf made that area "probably the most promising area in United States-controlled territory."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/business/global/03oil.html?_r=1


We have needed to focus on clean, alternatives for years and haven?t. WE COULD HAVE. We still can and must.


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Again, I ask what sacrifices are you willing to make to support the total ban on domestic drilling, while we wait on these new technologies? And, remember I support alternative energies, I am just a realist.
aTmMom avatar
Beach Lover
#16
you should, the environmentalists want your suv!

They want more than my SUV!
Bob avatar
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#17
Again, I ask what sacrifices are you willing to make to support the total ban on domestic drilling, while we wait on these new technologies? And, remember I support alternative energies, I am just a realist.
if you were a realist, you would see the need for all of us to pay more for oil in order to nudge the auto manufacturers in the right direction. what difference in the price of a gallon of gas is made by ruining the most beautiful beaches in this country? perhaps you should have some beach time in galveston bay.
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#18
Then thank you for your vote for a guy who might as well vote to flush the Gulf down the toilet. I thought you lived here. On the Panhandle. Maybe I was wrong? You are one of the few conservative posters on this board that I perceive has a brain and some sense, at least in considering the issues that directly affect us as Gulf coast residents. Rubio, really?

Honestly I'm not aware of Rubio's stance on near shore or gulf drilling. It might effect my vote but I tend to not be a single issue voter.

You worry about the gulf and drilling, I do to. I also worry about my healthcare being scuttled, the debt this country is adding up, growth of entitlements, just to name a few things. So far Rubio is the only candidate I've heard mention any of these problems and propose real solutions. I might change my mind down the road (we know so little about these two on national issues) but I feel today Rubio will be the better man for the job. This is based on what I know today about all the candidates. That could always change.

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aTmMom avatar
Beach Lover
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if you were a realist, you would see the need for all of us to pay more for oil in order to nudge the auto manufacturers in the right direction. what difference in the price of a gallon of gas is made by ruining the most beautiful beaches in this country? perhaps you should have some beach time in galveston bay.

That's pretty funny, Houston native here, grew up going to Galveston and Bolivar and picking tar balls out of my butt. You are under the assumption that I want cheap gas, but you are wrong I want what the market will bear, while we drill domestically offshore and inland. FYI I do not drive a gas guzzling SUV, I drive a midsize vehicle and the spouse drives a 15 year old small truck, and I recycle.
I love the beaches of northwest Florida, that is why we come every year (sometimes twice), and I pray everyday for all involved. The solution is much more complicated than higher gas and smaller vehicles.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me what sacrifices they are willing to make if we stop all drilling!
Bob avatar
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#20
That's pretty funny, Houston native here, grew up going to Galveston and Bolivar and picking tar balls out of my butt. You are under the assumption that I want cheap gas, but you are wrong I want what the market will bear, while we drill domestically offshore and inland. FYI I do not drive a gas guzzling SUV, I drive a midsize vehicle and the spouse drives a 15 year old small truck, and I recycle.
I love the beaches of northwest Florida, that is why we come every year (sometimes twice), and I pray everyday for all involved. The solution is much more complicated than higher gas and smaller vehicles.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me what sacrifices they are willing to make if we stop all drilling!
the sacrifice we will make is that we will pay more for the same commodity, people will choose products based on efficiency. there is no free market concerning oil. our military is the fulcrum, and all the major players are multi-national. the solution is not more oil supply, but less. the endgame draws near if we do nothing.
Beach Fanatic
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Gov. Crist Seeks Permanent Drilling Ban | TheLedger.com

We need an elected official that will stand up to the greed of the oil companies IMO...Gov Crist may be the one who can break the logjam of special interests and partisan "no"...my best sources tell me if he wins in November, he will caucus with the Democrats, so maybe he can spearhead a movement for the moderates in both parties...

The Governor's position is all fine and well but what would a Senator Crist have to say about granting Louisiana's request for a much higher percentage of the royalties for permitting oil and gas drilling off the Louisiana coast? Senator Nelson has been taking a beating from the good folks in Louisiana because of his position on this issue and rightly so. We in Florida want all of the benefits of oil and gas exploration and production (we make much in our advertising about being within driving distance of 14 million people) but none of the downside.
aTmMom avatar
Beach Lover
#22
the sacrifice we will make is that we will pay more for the same commodity, people will choose products based on efficiency. there is no free market concerning oil. our military is the fulcrum, and all the major players are multi-national. the solution is not more oil supply, but less. the endgame draws near if we do nothing.

If we use our domestic resources the military and the middle eastern regimes become much less of a factor.
aTmMom avatar
Beach Lover
#23
The Governor's position is all fine and well but what would a Senator Crist have to say about granting Louisiana's request for a much higher percentage of the royalties for permitting oil and gas drilling off the Louisiana coast? Senator Nelson has been taking a beating from the good folks in Louisiana because of his position on this issue and rightly so. We in Florida want all of the benefits of oil and gas exploration and production (we make much in our advertising about being within driving distance of 14 million people) but none of the downside.

What he said. :clap:
Rita avatar
margarita brocolia
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We should be pressuring/challenging each other to CONSERVE. A transition away from dirty fuel can and should come with renewed research and development of alternative energy sources as soon as possible, along with what we can all do right now - CONSERVE like you never have before!
I believe we could reduce our need for oil enough to make a huge difference just through conservation efforts.
Here are threads with ideas SoWal members are sharing to help any of us who care to do our part in being good stewards of our environment:

http://www.sowal.com/bb/politics-current-events/47805-you-willing-change-any-oil-use-habits.html
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http://www.sowal.com/bb/nature-envi...fight-energy-waste-right-here.html#post675791



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Bob avatar
SoWal Insider
#25
If we use our domestic resources the military and the middle eastern regimes become much less of a factor.
oil is not the answer...domestic production can never make a difference
Gidget avatar
Beach Fanatic
#26
I am all for finding alternative sources of energy, but you can't just stop drilling and exploration until it is invented and or discovered.

I am really fed up with hearing this! :angry:

ALTERNATIVES ARE HERE! The problem is the total misinformation out there and the constant posts being repeated time and again about how maybe one day ......:bang:

Let me ask a question - If I just built a house and said that I put in gold faucets, crown moulding, granite, marble, tiled floors, etc... I'd probably be told that I made a wise investment because that is what people want - most wouldn't think twice at those decisions - right? (anyone can take this and go with it.....)

But everytime I mention that we have a net zero home where we put up SOLAR PANELS that yes, have been invented, I inevitably hear - but how much did you spend?? :eek: (like the granite or marble would even begin to pay me back like my solar does)

I just built a house and less than 9% of my total cost of building went into solar - and we are the ONLY new construction on Chelco to go solar. So the question should be WHY are we NOT doing this on a larger scale? Bad info circulating about solar that is often times based on trying to "fix" older buildings with solar. Let's start NOW on all new construction and produce CLEAN ENERGY!

I support politicians who want to put FL on the map as the SOLAR STATE - then maybe we will start to get somewhere. I've even had email correspondence with a few asking them to come see our humble abode and see what can be done without sacrificing one bit! (ok, I didn't get gold faucets or granite :roll:)

If we'd stop building houses with 2x4 construction (insane for energy & hurricane country) and start new building plans with conservation in mind that would be a huge first step. Safety and conservation should be the first two considerations always IMO.

We do NOT have to have the oil off our shores. We can make the changes starting tomorrow and they are not sacrifices. Talk about sacrificing - we are sacrificing our Earth and waters and animals and human life is what we are doing.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me what sacrifices they are willing to make if we stop all drilling!
The better question would be the one asking those who SUPPORT drilling off our precious waters what THEY are doing to conserve!

I've yet to see ONE of the supporters of drilling frequent any of the oil conservation threads Rita just linked us to. You are welcome to COME ON OVER! :welcome:
Shirley aka Gidget

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