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Amid crises, Obama declares war -- on Arizona

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From the article at the San Francisco Examiner:

The Obama administration has a lot of fights on its hands. Putting aside real wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, there's the battle against leaking oil in the Gulf, the struggle against 9.7 percent unemployment across the country, and clashes over the president's agenda on Capitol Hill. Despite all that, the White House has found time to issue a new declaration of war, this time against an unlikely enemy: the state of Arizona.

The Justice Department is preparing to sue Arizona over its new immigration law. The president has stiffed Gov. Jan Brewer's call for meaningful assistance in efforts to secure the border.
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First, the lawsuit. Last week, Brewer was appalled to learn the Justice Department's intentions not from the Justice Department but from an interview done by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with an Ecuadorian TV outlet. "It would seem to me that if they were going to file suit against us," Brewer told Fox News' Greta van Susteren last week, "they definitely would have contacted us first and informed us before they informed citizens ... of another nation."

But they didn't.

You'd think after 8 years of 'W' I'd be used to the fact that Administrations basically screw up every thing that they do. I don't know why I'm surprised.

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30ashopper avatar
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It's all about the votes in November. Business as usual in Washington.
futurebeachbum avatar
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#3
It's all about the votes in November. Business as usual in Washington.

I don't understand how that gets votes.

Most of America wants the borders secured and immigration fixed (including a lot of the President's blue collar support.)

How does the Administration overtly signaling that they have no intention of dealing with immigration or securing the borders get votes in November?

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BeachSiO2 avatar
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I don't understand how that gets votes.

Most of America wants the borders secured and immigration fixed (including a lot of the President's blue collar support.)

How does the Administration overtly signaling that they have no intention of dealing with immigration or securing the borders get votes in November?

It's not about getting votes. It's about preserving votes. This will help secure the Hispanic vote. I am not saying that the Hispanic vote would have switched to the GOP, they might have just stayed home. The Dems need them to vote.
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It's not about getting votes. It's about preserving votes. This will help secure the Hispanic vote. I am not saying that the Hispanic vote would have switched to the GOP, they might have just stayed home. The Dems need them to vote.

He might preserve some of the Hispanic vote, but Black voters are pretty unhappy about illegal immigrants.
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He might preserve some of the Hispanic vote, but Black voters are pretty unhappy about illegal immigrants.

I don't disagree, but what are the chances that more black votes would be lost on this issue versus Hispanic votes. It also puts the GOP in a tough spot, especially in border states like Texas where the Hispanic vote is upwards of 30%. Not to mention that larger corporations and Chamber of Commerce's will be supportive of the administration's move putting more pressure on pro-business R's. It's a risk, but strategically I think it's a good move for Dems.
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I don't disagree, but what are the chances that more black votes would be lost on this issue versus Hispanic votes. It also puts the GOP in a tough spot, especially in border states like Texas where the Hispanic vote is upwards of 30%. Not to mention that larger corporations and Chamber of Commerce's will be supportive of the administration's move putting more pressure on pro-business R's. It's a risk, but strategically I think it's a good move for Dems.

It puzzles me why Hispanic voters who have gone to the trouble to come here legally (or be born here) would be so in favor of illegal immigration. The porous border causes a lot of the drug violence issues in Mexico and many of those legal or native Hispanics are in competition with illegals for jobs and benefits.

I guess its all part of the "Reconquista" effort.
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"We, the people" voted for this dipstick! And, as usual, when everything goes awry, we blame the one we voted for for failing to live up to our realistic/unrealistic expectations. I'm not defending current leadership, or any prior leadership either. Nor am I defending or brow-beating one party over another.....I'm just pointing out that "we" need to do a better job of not being caught up, every four years, in believing (like love-struck schoolgirls) the medial-fueled hype that purports that "our new and improved candidate" (who looks good, but is still a dipstick) is better than the previous candidate (who we are now convinced is a dipstick). That said, I still think that an ineffective, pompous, and logically incompetent pathetic government/governmental leader is still better than anarchy. But, of course, I could be wrong......
futurebeachbum avatar
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"We, the people" voted for this dipstick! And, as usual, when everything goes awry, we blame the one we voted for for failing to live up to our realistic/unrealistic expectations. I'm not defending current leadership, or any prior leadership either. Nor am I defending or brow-beating one party over another.....I'm just pointing out that "we" need to do a better job of not being caught up, every four years, in believing (like love-struck schoolgirls) the medial-fueled hype that purports that "our new and improved candidate" (who looks good, but is still a dipstick) is better than the previous candidate (who we are now convinced is a dipstick). That said, I still think that an ineffective, pompous, and logically incompetent pathetic government/governmental leader is still better than anarchy. But, of course, I could be wrong......


While its true that the final candidates have been consistently bad and lackluster, under the current system, the public has little or no influence on who the candidates they chose from are in the primaries. For a candidate to make the primary he/she has to have significant 'investors' behind them.

We all know what they have to do to secure and keep those investors financing them. That's why you wait 57 days after an investor causes an incident to address it or apologize to them from your Committee position on TV

We are screwed well before the election system rolls around.

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While its true that the final candidates have been consistently bad and lackluster, under the current system, the public has little or no influence on who the candidates they chose from are in the primaries. For a candidate to make the primary he/she has to have significant 'investors' behind them.

We all know what they have to do to secure and keep those investors financing them. That's why you wait 57 days after an investor causes an incident to address it or apologize to them from your Committee position on TV

We are screwed well before the election system rolls around.

I agree with all that you say.....we're left to choose from one doof or another. It is up to us to decide the lesser of the evils. Great system, huh?
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#11
Money has so corrupted our political process that it will take years to fix. We will soon see a 1 billion dollar POTUS election price tag, millions on the state level and hundreds of thousands for legislative seats. Look at our local elections, only one or two choices with some races not even drawing an opponent. The reason people cannot run is the cost of financing a race. Probably 50,000 for a commission race, 25,000 for school board and 75-100,000 for a constitutional office. To raise this type of money you are either wealthy or you sell your soul to the devil.

Follow the money trail if you want to know why Obama has responded like he has.:bang:
Lynnie avatar
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#12
I have to applaud DC for an exciting administration.

'They tell me there's a revolution....'

November can't get here soon enough.
futurebeachbum avatar
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#13
Its stories like this....

Its stories like this that make me really treasure the valuable advice and pearls of wisdom that Mexico's President Calderon shared with America and our leaders on his last visit.

What could be more valuable that insights from the man who leads such a well run, ethical and compassionate country. It adds so much more meaning to his criticism of our country.

From ABC News "Arizona Cops Threatened by Mexican Drug Cartel":

A Mexican drug cartel has threatened police officers in Arizona who confiscated a marijuana shipment, prompting the small town department to warn its officers to remain armed and have radios with them at all times, and keep their body armor handy.

Police and experts believe the warning against the Nogales, Ariz., cops marks the first time that powerful Mexican drug cartels, used to bribing and bullying police south of the border, have targeted U.S. officers.

Jeffrey Kirkham, chief of the Nogales police department, told ABCNews.com that informants had delivered the threats after two off-duty police officers seized 400 pounds of marijuana while horseback riding outside the city earlier this month. The pot was worth about $250,000, he said.

Kirkham said informants have told his police department that off-duty officers should ignore cross-border drug shipments or face retaliation.

Meanwhile, this Administration sues AZ and refuses to secure the border. (In fairness, every other administration has also refused to secure our borders too.)

You have to wonder what special interest is behind this.
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#14
I read that Mexico is joining the suit with the WH against AZ. When a foreign country can sue a state of the UNITED states of America, things are looking bleak for our country. There should be Marine snipers and troops immediately sent there to take out the gangs and rescue the innocent. There is no law enforcement that will even go there. They are outgunned and outnumbered. This in our country? and our government is watching from the sidelines and lining up lawyers?? WTF is this world coming to? I'm going to go drink and hopefully walk on a clean beach. :bang:
Minnie avatar
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You have to wonder what special interest is behind this.

Yet again America has given in to the demands of big business. Big Business controls America, and they control our government, regardless of who is in office.

Past and current administrations sold out to big Oil and you see where that got us. :(

And now big business has convinced our government that the situation in Arizonia will be a determint to the economy of America. The real determint is that business might have to make less of a profit, and not be able to pay the big bonuses to the Czars of America, CEOs.

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