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Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

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Another lie from the democrats and the Obama administration.



July 16, 2010

Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax
By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON ? When Congress required most Americans to obtain health insurance or pay a penalty, Democrats denied that they were creating a new tax. But in court, the Obama administration and its allies now defend the requirement as an exercise of the government?s ?power to lay and collect taxes.?
And that power, they say, is even more sweeping than the federal power to regulate interstate commerce.
Administration officials say the tax argument is a linchpin of their legal case in defense of the health care overhaul and its individual mandate, now being challenged in court by more than 20 states and several private organizations.
Under the legislation signed by President Obama in March, most Americans will have to maintain ?minimum essential coverage? starting in 2014. Many people will be eligible for federal subsidies to help them pay premiums.
In a brief defending the law, the Justice Department says the requirement for people to carry insurance or pay the penalty is ?a valid exercise? of Congress?s power to impose taxes.
Congress can use its taxing power ?even for purposes that would exceed its powers under other provisions? of the Constitution, the department said. For more than a century, it added, the Supreme Court has held that Congress can tax activities that it could not reach by using its power to regulate commerce.
While Congress was working on the health care legislation, Mr. Obama refused to accept the argument that a mandate to buy insurance, enforced by financial penalties, was equivalent to a tax.
?For us to say that you?ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase,? the president said last September, in a spirited exchange with George Stephanopoulos on the ABC News program ?This Week.?
When Mr. Stephanopoulos said the penalty appeared to fit the dictionary definition of a tax, Mr. Obama replied, ?I absolutely reject that notion.?
Congress anticipated a constitutional challenge to the individual mandate. Accordingly, the law includes 10 detailed findings meant to show that the mandate regulates commercial activity important to the nation?s economy. Nowhere does Congress cite its taxing power as a source of authority.
Under the Constitution, Congress can exercise its taxing power to provide for the ?general welfare.? It is for Congress, not courts, to decide which taxes are ?conducive to the general welfare,? the Supreme Court said 73 years ago in upholding the Social Security Act.
Dan Pfeiffer, the White House communications director, described the tax power as an alternative source of authority.
?The Commerce Clause supplies sufficient authority for the shared-responsibility requirements in the new health reform law,? Mr. Pfeiffer said. ?To the extent that there is any question of additional authority ? and we don?t believe there is ? it would be available through the General Welfare Clause.?
The law describes the levy on the uninsured as a ?penalty? rather than a tax. The Justice Department brushes aside the distinction, saying ?the statutory label? does not matter. The constitutionality of a tax law depends on ?its practical operation,? not the precise form of words used to describe it, the department says, citing a long line of Supreme Court cases.
Moreover, the department says the penalty is a tax because it will raise substantial revenue: $4 billion a year by 2017, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
In addition, the department notes, the penalty is imposed and collected under the Internal Revenue Code, and people must report it on their tax returns ?as an addition to income tax liability.?
Because the penalty is a tax, the department says, no one can challenge it in court before paying it and seeking a refund.
Jack M. Balkin, a professor at Yale Law School who supports the new law, said, ?The tax argument is the strongest argument for upholding? the individual-coverage requirement.
Mr. Obama ?has not been honest with the American people about the nature of this bill,? Mr. Balkin said last month at a meeting of the American Constitution Society, a progressive legal organization. ?This bill is a tax. Because it?s a tax, it?s completely constitutional.?
Mr. Balkin and other law professors pressed that argument in a friend-of-the-court brief filed in one of the pending cases.
Opponents contend that the ?minimum coverage provision? is unconstitutional because it exceeds Congress?s power to regulate commerce.
?This is the first time that Congress has ever ordered Americans to use their own money to purchase a particular good or service,? said Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah.
In their lawsuit, Florida and other states say: ?Congress is attempting to regulate and penalize Americans for choosing not to engage in economic activity. If Congress can do this much, there will be virtually no sphere of private decision-making beyond the reach of federal power.?
In reply, the administration and its allies say that a person who goes without insurance is simply choosing to pay for health care out of pocket at a later date. In the aggregate, they say, these decisions have a substantial effect on the interstate market for health care and health insurance.
In its legal briefs, the Obama administration points to a famous New Deal case, Wickard v. Filburn, in which the Supreme Court upheld a penalty imposed on an Ohio farmer who had grown a small amount of wheat, in excess of his production quota, purely for his own use.
The wheat grown by Roscoe Filburn ?may be trivial by itself,? the court said, but when combined with the output of other small farmers, it significantly affected interstate commerce and could therefore be regulated by the government as part of a broad scheme regulating interstate commerce.



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/health/policy/18health.html?_r=1&ref=politics

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futurebeachbum avatar
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#2
Wow! What a surprise! :shock:
30ashopper avatar
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#3
This is about more than just healthcare, it's about ever piece of legislation they'll enact under the same precedent. For the good of the country long term, this legal battle must to be won. The statists must be stopped.
LuciferSam avatar
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#4
We all knew this was a tax almost a year ago. The merits, integrity, and justifiability of this are certainly debatable. What's not debatable is that news should be current.
futurebeachbum avatar
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#5
We all knew this was a tax almost a year ago. The merits, integrity, and justifiability of this are certainly debatable. What's not debatable is that news should be current.

I think that the news is that until now the Administration has maintained that it isn't a tax.

Although, I guess by now yet-another flip-flop by this (or any) Administration shouldn't be news to anyone.
Yzarctoo avatar
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#6
We all knew this was a tax almost a year ago. The merits, integrity, and justifiability of this are certainly debatable. What's not debatable is that news should be current.


...may not be debatable but a good thing to remember if running for another term....your lies always catch up with you.
Geo avatar
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#7
Read my lips....
Beach Fanatic
#8
Read my lips....

Yep, and we all know how that turned out :D
Geo avatar
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#9
I think what happened is the lawyers/scholars told them the only way this will stick is if it is called a tax...
LuciferSam avatar
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I think that the news is that until now the Administration has maintained that it isn't a tax.

Although, I guess by now yet-another flip-flop by this (or any) Administration shouldn't be news to anyone.

We should all focus on reality as we know it rather than what other people have to say. We'd be much better off.
LuciferSam avatar
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#11
...may not be debatable but a good thing to remember if running for another term....your lies always catch up with you.

It's not the lie that people object to, but the element of surprise. The people most hurt by the lies are the people who believe them.
futurebeachbum avatar
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#12
We should all focus on reality as we know it rather than what other people have to say. We'd be much better off.

I think that having an electorate with a firm grasp on reality is the very last thing that politicos from either party want.
LuciferSam avatar
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#13
I think that having an electorate with a firm grasp on reality is the very last thing that politicos from either party want.

The politicians need to wake up and realize just what everybody knows. They don't get it.
LuciferSam avatar
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#14
...may not be debatable but a good thing to remember if running for another term....your lies always catch up with you.


This lie was factored in sometime around last September. Let's not try to get two lies out of one. That would be a worse lie.
Yzarctoo avatar
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#15
It's not the lie that people object to, but the element of surprise. The people most hurt by the lies are the people who believe them.

...since I never believed them ( the lies or his promises) nothing that surfaces surprises me... only makes me sad that so many people, especially young first time voters, believed that he was offering Change and Hope and a new way for Washington DC to do the people's business...I am sorry that he is (has) disppointing them. I remembered watching election night...his supporters were crying and sobbing, they were laughing, they were cheering, they were singing hymns...they were so proud and in love with this man...a black man had been elected to the highest office in the land. And not even two years later they are finding out they were dooped and were made fools of and told campaign untruths.. he wasn't there to do the people's business...he was there to do Obama's business. Even sadder, because of the way our political parties work (both parties mind you) you still have the pressure to keep believing and supporting your candidate, even after you have doubts about his ability and efforts ...its like an unspoken political party rule, you are the trapped rat and are doomed to go down with the ship but still required to praise the ship's sea worthiness. I listen to political commentators trying to defend an action or an Obama moment and they speak or repeat the talking points that they are given, they raise their voices, they repeat themselves again, they get angry at the questions ,they don't answer the questions, they act like they still believe,they still try to defend their man, but the light is not there in the eyes. Those eyes tell the whole story.
Yzarctoo avatar
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#16
This lie was factored in sometime around last September. Let's not try to get two lies out of one. That would be a worse lie.

as Sir Walter Scott would say...
?Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive?
Beach Fanatic
#17
Please excuse me if I ask a question to which Everyone Else knows the answer, but I honestly don't know:

What is materially different between the mandated requirement that everyone pay for health insurance &

the mandated requirement that everyone pay for Social Security &

the mandated requirement that everyone pay for Medicare?

If SS & Medicare pass legal muster, won't the same be true for Health Insurance?
LuciferSam avatar
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#18
...since I never believed them ( the lies or his promises) nothing that surfaces surprises me... only makes me sad that so many people, especially young first time voters, believed that he was offering Change and Hope and a new way for Washington DC to do the people's business...I am sorry that he is (has) disppointing them. I remembered watching election night...his supporters were crying and sobbing, they were laughing, they were cheering, they were singing hymns...they were so proud and in love with this man...a black man had been elected to the highest office in the land. And not even two years later they are finding out they were dooped and were made fools of and told campaign untruths.. he wasn't there to do the people's business...he was there to do Obama's business. Even sadder, because of the way our political parties work (both parties mind you) you still have the pressure to keep believing and supporting your candidate, even after you have doubts about his ability and efforts ...its like an unspoken political party rule, you are the trapped rat and are doomed to go down with the ship but still required to praise the ship's sea worthiness. I listen to political commentators trying to defend an action or an Obama moment and they speak or repeat the talking points that they are given, they raise their voices, they repeat themselves again, they get angry at the questions ,they don't answer the questions, they act like they still believe,they still try to defend their man, but the light is not there in the eyes. Those eyes tell the whole story.

I think you might be overstating people's disappointment. A lot of us fall into the category that we are grateful that we no longer have Republican rule, which in itself is worthy of a "Mission Accomplished" banner. I'm also glad health care and business reform passed, and I think the administration averted a major depression with its fiscal stimulus. We also got two supreme court justices who are not on the far right. Unemployment may be high, but with the way businesses are restructuring and automating, I can't honestly say that we would have favorable employment numbers even in the best of times. We may have to wait until new industries using new technologies start to develop.

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