http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/opinion/19douthat.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=homepage .....This breeds paranoia, among elite and non-elites alike. Among the white working class, increasingly the most reliable Republican constituency, alienation from the American meritocracy fuels the kind of racially tinged conspiracy theories that Beck and others have exploited ? that Barack Obama is a foreign-born Marxist hand-picked by a shadowy liberal cabal, that a Wall Street-Washington axis wants to flood the country with third world immigrants, and so forth.
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33SoWal Expert
I found that rather heavy handed and questioned a couple of the conclusions and assumptions.
I would agree that race does give some an advantage in the admissions process (and the scholarship offers that poured in when my name got misspelled in some database would support that - Papa Scooterbug thought I should have accepted the one from the NAACP and then claimed discrimination if they took it back).
But I don't think you can boil down the entire college admissions process down to race and elitism. Scholarships have to narrow the field somehow - nationality, memberships in clubs etc. are a way to do that.
I would agree that race does give some an advantage in the admissions process (and the scholarship offers that poured in when my name got misspelled in some database would support that - Papa Scooterbug thought I should have accepted the one from the NAACP and then claimed discrimination if they took it back).
But I don't think you can boil down the entire college admissions process down to race and elitism. Scholarships have to narrow the field somehow - nationality, memberships in clubs etc. are a way to do that.
SoWal Insider
Barack Obama's not a foreign-born Marxist hand-picked by a shadowy liberal cabal?
Beach Fanatic
A couple of things that are interesting from the article:
At one time, those working-class whites were the heart of the Democratic party. They elected Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, etc.... Have they been left behind by their party's values and just don't realize it?
I'd be interested in the reaction of those same liberals if someone intimated that a wise white, male Supreme Court Nominee of European ethnicity might have the advantage of thinking more like the framers of the Constitution did, since they were wise, white males of European ethnicity. The left's reaction would be immediate, vitriolic and over-the-top to such an occurrence.
Yet, such as statement would be in the same vein as and just as insulting and just as racially prejudiced as Sotomayor's statement. (For some reason, her statement appeared to draw no liberal backlash. )
There's apparently no place for rational thought in our political processes anymore.
which whites were most disadvantaged by the process: the downscale, the rural and the working-class.
This was particularly pronounced among the private colleges in the study. For minority applicants, the lower a family?s socioeconomic position, the more likely the student was to be admitted. For whites, though, it was the reverse. An upper-middle-class white applicant was three times more likely to be admitted than a lower-class white with similar qualifications.
At one time, those working-class whites were the heart of the Democratic party. They elected Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, etc.... Have they been left behind by their party's values and just don't realize it?
A decade later, the note of white grievance that Buchanan struck that night is part of the conservative melody.
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It was sounded last year during the backlash against Sonia Sotomayor?s suggestion that a ?wise Latina? jurist might have advantages over a white male judge
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To liberals, these grievances seem at once noxious and ridiculous.
I'd be interested in the reaction of those same liberals if someone intimated that a wise white, male Supreme Court Nominee of European ethnicity might have the advantage of thinking more like the framers of the Constitution did, since they were wise, white males of European ethnicity. The left's reaction would be immediate, vitriolic and over-the-top to such an occurrence.
Yet, such as statement would be in the same vein as and just as insulting and just as racially prejudiced as Sotomayor's statement. (For some reason, her statement appeared to draw no liberal backlash. )
There's apparently no place for rational thought in our political processes anymore.
Beach Fanatic
Rational thought is boring, uncool and does not sell books and airtime. Plus rational politicians are generally unelectable.
Beach Fanatic
It never fails, white people constantly amuse me these days. Take Mel Gibson, ...no, you take Mel Gibson!
Beach Fanatic
At one time, those working-class whites were the heart of the Democratic party. They elected Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, etc.... Have they been left behind by their party's values and just don't realize it?
Lyndon Johnson got a majority of the white votes cast; Jimmy Carter didn't.
It's been 30 yrs since a Democratic presidential candidate got a majority of the white votes cast.
I am a white anglo-saxon protestant male. I think the "roots of white anxiety" are the realization that our tribe, which has held power for so long is slowly but surely losing that power to other tribes, or coalitions or other tribes.
If Eleana Kagan is confirmed to the Supreme Court, there will be NO white anglo-saxon potestants on the court, male OR female. There will be 4 Jews & 5 Catholics; no protestants.
I personally am not uncomfortable with this trend or this situation, but, again, I think it is the root of white anxiety.
Beach Fanatic
White have anxiety about lower opportunites for good jobs, higher taxes and out of control government debt. What religion the Supreme Court Justices are or what tribe is in control are not issues. In fact I have never heard either mentioned in discussion and did not even know the court makeup until I read this post. Who says you can't learn anything on sowal.

SoWal Expert
I guess my lack of anxiety is due to me not thinking that anyone of a different ethnicity, religion, gender, or sexuality automatically thinks differently from me and cannot represent me properly.
And any photo of the Supreme court still looks awful white to me - protestant or not.
And any photo of the Supreme court still looks awful white to me - protestant or not.
Beach Fanatic
I guess my lack of anxiety is due to me not thinking that anyone of a different ethnicity, religion, gender, or sexuality automatically thinks differently from me and cannot represent me properly.
Kumbaya, brother, Kumbaya!
Beach Fanatic
I guess my lack of anxiety is due to me not thinking that anyone of a different ethnicity, religion, gender, or sexuality automatically thinks differently from me and cannot represent me properly.
And any photo of the Supreme court still looks awful white to me - protestant or not.

SoWal InsiderAuthor
A couple of things that are interesting from the article:obviously, at least to some, there is the backdrop of american history, in all it's racist, male oriented glory, to provide some context to her statement.
At one time, those working-class whites were the heart of the Democratic party. They elected Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, etc.... Have they been left behind by their party's values and just don't realize it?
I'd be interested in the reaction of those same liberals if someone intimated that a wise white, male Supreme Court Nominee of European ethnicity might have the advantage of thinking more like the framers of the Constitution did, since they were wise, white males of European ethnicity. The left's reaction would be immediate, vitriolic and over-the-top to such an occurrence.
Yet, such as statement would be in the same vein as and just as insulting and just as racially prejudiced as Sotomayor's statement. (For some reason, her statement appeared to draw no liberal backlash. )
There's apparently no place for rational thought in our political processes anymore.
Beach Fanatic
Darn it, I thought this was the SoWal Lounge. I am having some white root anxiety and need a hairdresser stat.
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SoWal Insider
Darn it, I thought this was the SoWal Lounge. I am having some white root anxiety and need a hairdresser stat.
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Quick, go buy some cool shoes.

SoWal Expert
Darn it, I thought this was the SoWal Lounge. I am having some white root anxiety and need a hairdresser stat.
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I am just white and anxious all the time. Like that damn white rabbit in Alice in Wonderland- I tend towards the nervous.
Beach Crab
Let's go shopping sometime!
Of course not!...he's a baby that was born in Hawaii while his grandma was watching it all from Kenya before he was hand picked by a much more illuminated force...the clueless!
Barack Obama's not a foreign-born Marxist hand-picked by a shadowy liberal cabal?
Of course not!...he's a baby that was born in Hawaii while his grandma was watching it all from Kenya before he was hand picked by a much more illuminated force...the clueless!SWGB
I am just white and anxious all the time. Like that damn white rabbit in Alice in Wonderland- I tend towards the nervous.
He didn't smoke either.
Banned
Of course not!...he's a baby that was born in Hawaii while his grandma was watching it all from Kenya before he was hand picked by a much more illuminated force...the clueless!
I heard he has no biological mother.
SoWal Insider
Oh gosh, even a teenager would be able to with one word counter the argument of the so called underrepresented student applicant, and it's football. Duh!
SWGB
What I find very interesting about articles like this is the lake of actual statistics and pointing out what really goes on.
Percentage wise, yes more minorities do receive scholarships and in many cases push out white candidates. The part that is never pointed out is that the white candidates (poor or otherwise) generally comprise a much larger pool. In other words a very large percentage from a very small pool of minorities may make it while a very low percentage from a very large pool of white students won't make it.
As someone who has seen the actual admissions process in action I can assure you that there's not a NAACP conspiracy at work here. The fact is that when two students with the same credentials, who are financially disadvantaged, are competing for one spot the candidate from the smaller minority almost always wins. This isn't based on race, law, or some deep liberal conspiracy. It comes down to money and the candidate who has the potential to bring in the most scholarship money will win every time.
Guess who wins in the following scenario:
Black student with excellent grades from a financially disadvantaged background vs. a white student in a wheel chair with the same grades from a financially disadvantaged background.
Percentage wise, yes more minorities do receive scholarships and in many cases push out white candidates. The part that is never pointed out is that the white candidates (poor or otherwise) generally comprise a much larger pool. In other words a very large percentage from a very small pool of minorities may make it while a very low percentage from a very large pool of white students won't make it.
As someone who has seen the actual admissions process in action I can assure you that there's not a NAACP conspiracy at work here. The fact is that when two students with the same credentials, who are financially disadvantaged, are competing for one spot the candidate from the smaller minority almost always wins. This isn't based on race, law, or some deep liberal conspiracy. It comes down to money and the candidate who has the potential to bring in the most scholarship money will win every time.
Guess who wins in the following scenario:
Black student with excellent grades from a financially disadvantaged background vs. a white student in a wheel chair with the same grades from a financially disadvantaged background.
SWGB
Oh gosh, even a teenager would be able to with one word counter the argument of the so called underrepresented student applicant, and it's football. Duh!
That's a whole different line at the admissions office.
Beach Fanatic
obviously, at least to some, there is the backdrop of american history, in all it's racist, male oriented glory, to provide some context to her statement.
Context doesn't make it any less prejudicial.
Beach Fanatic
I guess racism does exist in the US government after all.
Black USDA official resigns amid racism claims - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
Black USDA official resigns amid racism claims - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
SoWal Insider
The author is racist and promoting racism. UGH! I am proud of my heritage and I know I would be no matter what race or country. I blame no one for my opportunities or shortcomings; I feel absolutely no guilt for my accomplishments and am very grateful. I am a woman and the white man has kept us all repressed long enough, which BTW did not emanate only 250 years ago. Ya know?
Beach Fanatic
I guess racism does exist in the US government after all.
Black USDA official resigns amid racism claims - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
No, this just in, manipulation of the truth exists.
Beach Fanatic
Live, as a WHITE person, amongst a couple of million different racially-ethinic folks (think Africa, or anywhere), and you'll have a different perspective. We are so isolated in our worldly understanding, yet so verbal in our short-sighted opinions, that what we have to opine about is laughable. Get outside your comfort zone, your state, your country, your continent, and then (and only then)you'll have a lot more intelligent input into the conversation..... Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air.
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