I have been open and honest about being a disgruntled Obama supporter. I have asked for folks to provide an alternative for 2012- all the while pointing out that just because Obama has let me down doesn't automatically mean I would vote for a Republican (or anyone else for that matter). END DISCLAIMER
Here is an example of why I wouldn't just automatically vote Republican next time-
YouTube - Gingrich: We're one for three on the Axis of Evil, why not 3 for 3?
Newt Gingrich is from the mainstream Republican party. He is IMHO- not one of the fringe Republicans. But yet, this former speaker is basically suggesting that we should attack/should have attacked Iran and North Korea because they are part of Bush's Axis of Evil- of which we already took care of "one out of the three" (Iraq).
SCARY SCARY irresponsible rhetoric.
If I have a choice to mortgage ourselves with healthcare and "handouts" to Americans or mortgage ourselves with neverending "wars" and the killing of troops and innocent civilians-
well- we'd all have a Cadillac plan with Blue Cross/Blue Shield and probably a democrat for another 4 years.
Get real, GOP.
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30Beach Fanatic
Can't you and 30-A Shopper see the contradictions in your stance? We cannot invade countries and expect to be seen as liberators. We cannot destroy countries "to get the bad guys", and not destroy the good people in that country that we were supposedly trying to "liberate". The wars of the 21st century will all be insurgencies just like we are experiencing now. Unfortunately, in these kinds of wars, we have to go in with a major emphasis on "nation building" whether we like it or not. A lot of people think the reason we failed in Iraq is because, after six years, they still don't have electricity or clean water. All the weapons in the world won't help us until we commit to honestly helping the countries we choose to invade and destroy.
There is absolutely no contradiction in my stance. I said what we do should be for our reasons and in our best interests. I do not wish to liberate anyone, if they want freedom they must attain it themselves. I believe in supporting them and helping them as much as possible but absolutely am against fighting for them. The 1st Iraq War was perfect, go in, kick a**, take names and leave.
If they don't have electricity or clean water that is their problem to fix, we have14 trillion problems of our own to work on.
Beach Fanatic
We didn't fail in Iraq.
Our invasion of Iraq substantially smashed Iraq's military and on that point we certainly did succeed.
Tactically it was a roaring success but we blew it when we didn't send in sufficient troops to keep the peace.
But the unintended consequence was that by removing Saddam we made Iran more powerful. We removed their biggest enemy.
After our invasion Iran is stronger.
Plus it looks like Iraq is about to implode.
High Iraq Deaths Cast Doubt On US Stability Talk : NPR
Last month was the most bloody in two years.
Bush apologists will defend his war but history will not be so kind.
I believe that the invasion of Iraq will go down as the biggest foreign policy blunder since the Austria-Hungarian Empire invaded Serbia in 1914.
Plus the war was fought (still is being fought) with borrowed money and the long range costs are up to $3,000,000,000,000 ($3 Trillion)
It ain't Appamattox Courthouse but it ain't Tokoyo Bay either.
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SoWal Insider
Our invasion of Iraq substantially smashed Iraq's military and on that point we certainly did succeed.
Tactically it was a roaring success but we blew it when we didn't send in sufficient troops to keep the peace.
But the unintended consequence was that by removing Saddam we made Iran more powerful. We removed their biggest enemy.
After our invasion Iran is stronger.
Plus it looks like Iraq is about to implode.
High Iraq Deaths Cast Doubt On US Stability Talk : NPR
Last month was the most bloody in two years.
Bush apologists will defend his war but history will not be so kind.
I believe that the invasion of Iraq will go down as the biggest foreign policy blunder since the Austria-Hungarian Empire invaded Serbia in 1914.
Plus the war was fought (still is being fought) with borrowed money and the long range costs are up to $3,000,000,000,000 ($3 Trillion)
It ain't Appamattox Courthouse but it ain't Tokoyo Bay either.
I feel it will be the later be interpreted exactly opposite of your view. Time will tell. A rich, successful democracy in the heart of the middle east will have very positive, far reaching effects throughout the area. If Iraq does fall apart, it won't be for a lack of opportunity. Personally I'm optimistic.
I've been listening to liberals predict the worst in Iraq for five or six years now. Thus far your predictions have fallen far short of reality. You wanted Vietnam 2.0, but you didn't get it. Then it was civil war you hoped for, but you didn't get that either. Now you want the government to fail. I'm hoping your current less than rosy scenario is equally flawed. I know you want to see things fail there, I get that. But maybe you could show a little compassion for the people who are struggling so hard to build a future there? Ah, never mind, I know, that's too much to ask.
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SoWal Insider
Our invasion of Iraq substantially smashed Iraq's military and on that point we certainly did succeed.
Tactically it was a roaring success but we blew it when we didn't send in sufficient troops to keep the peace.
But the unintended consequence was that by removing Saddam we made Iran more powerful. We removed their biggest enemy.
After our invasion Iran is stronger.
Plus it looks like Iraq is about to implode.
High Iraq Deaths Cast Doubt On US Stability Talk : NPR
Last month was the most bloody in two years.
Bush apologists will defend his war but history will not be so kind.
I believe that the invasion of Iraq will go down as the biggest foreign policy blunder since the Austria-Hungarian Empire invaded Serbia in 1914.
Plus the war was fought (still is being fought) with borrowed money and the long range costs are up to $3,000,000,000,000 ($3 Trillion)
It ain't Appamattox Courthouse but it ain't Tokoyo Bay either.
In addtition to all these fine points, we also allowed Al Queida to get a stronghold in Iraq, helped refine the development and deployment of IED's by insurgents, and showed the world how truly inept and corrupt our nation building efforts were. The reconstruction of Iraq has been failure, and a costly one at that. Unless completely destroying countries and then walking away is OK with everyone.
Beach Fanatic
I feel it will be the later be interpreted exactly opposite of your view. Time will tell. A rich, successful democracy in the heart of the middle east will have very positive, far reaching effects throughout the area. If Iraq does fall apart, it won't be for a lack of opportunity. Personally I'm optimistic.
I've been listening to liberals predict the worst in Iraq for five or six years now. Thus far your predictions have fallen far short of reality. You wanted Vietnam 2.0, but you didn't get it. Then it was civil war you hoped for, but you didn't get that either. Now you want the government to fail. I'm hoping your current less than rosy scenario is equally flawed. I know you want to see things fail there, I get that. But maybe you could show a little compassion for the people who are struggling so hard to build a future there? Ah, never mind, I know, that's too much to ask.
Don't shoot me I'm just the messenger.
I didn't want another Vietnam...I watched mama cry when her brother's body came home.
Likewise on the civl war and hell, no, I don't want Iraq to fall.
Invading Iraq was a dumb idea.
What the Iraqis need is electricity
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/world/middleeast/02electricity.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&src=igw
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