The mosque at ground zero.

If zoning rules allow religous structures for a given parcel of land, it is utterly un-American (see Bill of Rights) for the government to then go back and pick and choose which specific religous group or sect may or may not build on a parcel zoned to allow religous activity.

What are your opinions?
I am appalled this is even being thought about,much less allowed.
I just shake my head.......Only in America,this "new" America.
This would have never been allowed by the GREATEST GENERATION.
Pearl Harbor comes to mind.........

A lot of SoWalers have posted their opinions about this issue on the thread "Should we be like Saudis re Religious Freedom?"

Thanks.

What are your opinions?
I am appalled this is even being thought about,much less allowed.
I just shake my head.......Only in America,this "new" America.
This would have never been allowed by the GREATEST GENERATION.
Pearl Harbor comes to mind.........

It's supposed to be a reformist mosque. Here's an interesting take from fivethirtyeight.com from somebody actually familiar with the city.

"It would not impose upon or offend anyone unless they were going out of their way to be imposed upon or offended."

FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: A Street-Level View of the "Ground Zero Mosque"

President Obama needs to man up and come out against this mosque. There are over 100 mosques in New York City. This mosque is intended to be a monument to the attacks on September 11 of over 3000 innocent Americans. A symbol of radical Islamic superiority.

If zoning rules allow religous structures for a given parcel of land, it is utterly un-American (see Bill of Rights) for the government to then go back and pick and choose which specific religous group or sect may or may not build on a parcel zoned to allow religous activity.

Look at the thankers for this post...tells me a lot:
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to beachmouse For This Useful Post:
AlphaCrab (Today), Geo (Today), LuciferSam (Today), ugabuga (Today)
Somethings just can't be right for any reason and this one is one of those. I lost a love one so I can't participate in this discussion so I am out of here!

I feel like taking a poop on an american flag.

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duplicate thread - go here:
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http://www.sowal.com/bb/politics-cu...ould-we-like-saudis-re-religious-freedom.html


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I feel like taking a poop on an american flag.

Don't worry,Obama is doing a fine job of that,save your poop....

Look at the thankers for this post...tells me a lot:
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to beachmouse For This Useful Post:
AlphaCrab (Today), Geo (Today), LuciferSam (Today), ugabuga (Today)
Somethings just can't be right for any reason and this one is one of those. I lost a love one so I can't participate in this discussion so I am out of here!

Grammy,I respect your generation,my father was of yours,I would love to hear your thoughts.
I only thanked someone for telling me about another thread about said subject.I do not agree with the people that think ground zero is just a piece of land....it is not,it is sacred.I am sorry for your loss.

My sister worked at the WTC, and she was fortunate enough to walk away from that day. She ended up having to go back and work on site during the demolition project; I just hope she isn't one of the people who have long term health effects from it.

And despite it all, she's grown to have a fair amount of affection for the parts of the Middle East that aren't anti-American, and actually looks forward to work trips that take her to Lebannon or Jordan or the UAE.

I feel like taking a poop on an american flag.

I will defend your freedom to do so.

If you actually research the subject (or read the thread others have posted for you several times if you are too lazy) you would find that the actual topic and details vary quite a bit from what you think.

The mayor and other groups are supporting the building of a 13 story cultural center & prayer space 2 blocks away from the ground zero site - and while some of us may initially question the location chosen, it goes against everything our country stands for to pick and choose which religions can build where.

The building will not be visible from Ground Zero and is not on a main approach to it, so it is unlikely visitors passing by who are not aware of what it is or specifically visiting it would go there - they would just think it is an office building.

Note I said office building - because that is what this will look like. No giant minarets, no "offensive" Islamic imagery, just a mixed use building.

A new Islamic cultural center and prayer space in a neighborhood that already contains at least one mosque - that is not flag pooping and disrespect, that is the reality of the American melting pot ..........that contains 5-7 million Muslims.

Yes, and I think part of the controversy is that the existing building applied for historic building status in 1987 (?maybe) and it has never been granted. With this granted, the building would have to always be maintained and/or restored to its original design and architecture. So, when this religious group stepped in with their proposal another group stepped up this 23 year old application for historical status. And, the bickering started.

It's very sensitive for both sides. Glad I don't have to make this decision, but I lean toward the Constitution.....as always.....and, rely on my faith.

The radical Islamist Iman behind this proposed mosque is a supporter of terrorism. They want us dead. This is NOT about religion. All of this insipid political correctness yak yak yakking is going to get people killed.

Edgy Grammy, so sorry to read you lost a loved one at the tragedy of September 11th. Ground Zero should not be reviled with a monument where we all lost fellow Americans.

Grammy,I respect your generation,my father was of yours,I would love to hear your thoughts.
I only thanked someone for telling me about another thread about said subject.I do not agree with the people that think ground zero is just a piece of land....it is not,it is sacred.I am sorry for your loss.

It's all Indian burial ground, don't you know that?

Look at the thankers for this post...tells me a lot:
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to beachmouse For This Useful Post:
AlphaCrab (Today), Geo (Today), LuciferSam (Today), ugabuga (Today)
Somethings just can't be right for any reason and this one is one of those. I lost a love one so I can't participate in this discussion so I am out of here!

Wish I could give thanks twice. It's the best post on this thread.

Wish I could give thanks twice. It's the best post on this thread.

Wrongo.

Look at the thankers for this post...tells me a lot:
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to beachmouse For This Useful Post:
AlphaCrab (Today), Geo (Today), LuciferSam (Today), ugabuga (Today)
Somethings just can't be right for any reason and this one is one of those. I lost a love one so I can't participate in this discussion so I am out of here!

Thankers have increased from four to eight since EG called attention to it & now include: AlphaCrab (Today), Arkiehawg (Today), Geo (Today), LuciferSam (Today), poppy (Today), Rita (Today), scooterbug44 (Today), ugabuga (Today). That's way more thanks than most post ever get.

The terrorists have achieved their aim if by their terrible act they cause us to abandon the principles in our American Constitution. By their actions, they have caused a lot of Americans to be OK with the idea that we should restrict religious freedom for Muslims, let the gov't monitor our bank accounts, emails, phone calls & the books we check out at the library. Osama Bin Laden must be laughing in his cave!

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The terrorists have achieved their aim if by their terrible act they cause us to abandon the principles in our American Constitution. By their actions, they have caused a lot of Americans to be OK with the idea that we should restrict religious freedom for Muslims, let the gov't monitor our bank accounts, emails, phone calls & the books we check out at the library. Osama Bin Laden must be laughing in his cave!

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So we wouldn't be "walking our walk"??


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Sounds like this is non issue from what I heard on the news tonight. Apparently the people trying to build this thing don't have the funding. They were just 'stirring the pot' so to speak.

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So we wouldn't be "walking our walk"??


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Hehe,clever but I don't fall so easily.Try an amendment.

Some things need to stay sacred,our freedoms are used against us to their advantage and very successful I might add.

Hehe,clever but I don't fall so easily.Try an amendment.

Some things need to stay sacred,our freedoms are used against us to their advantage and very successful I might add.

Those clever terrrorists... using our freedoms against us...uh, how exactly would you word your "amendment"?

Thankers have increased from four to eight since EG called attention to it & now include: AlphaCrab (Today), Arkiehawg (Today), Geo (Today), LuciferSam (Today), poppy (Today), Rita (Today), scooterbug44 (Today), ugabuga (Today). That's way more thanks than most post ever get.

The terrorists have achieved their aim if by their terrible act they cause us to abandon the principles in our American Constitution. By their actions, they have caused a lot of Americans to be OK with the idea that we should restrict religious freedom for Muslims, let the gov't monitor our bank accounts, emails, phone calls & the books we check out at the library. Osama Bin Laden must be laughing in his cave!

I don't know why it's not already the most thanked post in the history of SoWal.

Reminds me of an argument I used to have with my grandfather in HS. He'd tell me people should go to prison for burning the flag. I'd tell him he'd be right if we lived in the USSR. He'd tell me some things needed to be sacred because people like him shed their blood for our freedom. I'd tell him he was right and that thanks to people like him shedding blood our freedoms did remain sacred- evidenced by the morons burning the flag and not going to prison.

Edgy Grammy, the number of folks thanking that post is a sign that Freedom and Patriotism are alive and well even with us crazy liberals!